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Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

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bernmeister said:
What?
because "like" I disagree w/you/your unsubstantiated opinion vs. my factually correct observation reminding of kid line success was a real thing, and KK can/will under correct conditions emerge?

quote Ringo
get yourself together now and show me something tasty

Either that or
BACK OFF BUGALOO
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Were you factually correct with Nieves as 1C here? Your obsession with Broberg? WFAN is taking calls all day today.
 
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In all seriousness, there will be a D hole to fill next season if we can't keep Gus at reasonable cap hit. I don't think Jones is stepping up. Will Robertson be ready? I doubt it.
 
Machinehead said:
Drury can create space, but he has to bite the bullet and move guys this year. Goodrow, Kakko, and Lindgren are candidates. There are two problems:

1) You probably end up spending assets to just to have teams take cap.

2) The whole "don't change a winning team" narrative creeps in.

But you know what? Those are your choices. This is the situation we're in and we've been in it for awhile. Adapt or die.
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I somewhat agree and honestly it has little to do with unwillingness to change a “winning culture”. The problem with this is expectations that Drury will be able to find higher talent for cheaper. Drury’s done admirably in his tenure but how’s this realistic expectations in general?

I mean maybe a combination of salaries for Goodrow and Kakko could bring one such talent in $5-$6 million range but ridding of Kakko in this way while his value is deeply depressed is just bad business. Same applies to improving 1LD spot. Leaving alone the fact that Fox has a built in level of comfort playing with Lindgren and also the fact that Lindgren this season so far has been playing well below his performance from last season (yeah the extent of this board’s short term memory is pathetic and only matched by how extensive is its long term memory when it comes to over the hill former stars who have nothing but their names to offer) how can one reasonably expect to find a bona fide 1LD for just over $3m in annual cap? Retention that we know will have a significant price to pay for? Will it worth losing another 1st rounder.

As an organization I’d continue to preach patience and put more effort in figuring out how to get players like Kakko and Lindgren to regain their forms we’ve seen them perform at.
 
Ferraro (3.25 cap hit for this year and next 2 seasons) to NYR for ???
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Anthony5967 said:
Were you factually correct with Nieves as 1C here? Your obsession with Broberg? WFAN is taking calls all day today.
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Yes, I was factually correct about Nieves!
Once and for all, bend buckle and break to the point of desisting in your false narrative.
I never said, and actually took pains to clarify to the contrary, that Boo was not on his own superior/elite/1C material, but WAS good at 'carrying the mail' and was on paper a good fit w/Kreider + Zib as Ws which, given they were the only and clear cut first liners at that time would make Nieves our de facto 1C.

I was correct that there is and was ZERO basis for Rs not to at least try this experiment, it cost them nothing beyond a fair trial, which they did not do.

As for Broberg, no obsession, he looked/still looks good on paper, seems Oil screwed him up as much as we effed up Kravtsov.
THAT is NOT on me.

I may have gotten a few wrong over the years, but not those 2.

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While you are at it, why don't you acknowledge the many dozens of calls I got right? Stuff I had the balls to unambiguously call out ahead of the curve.

Move Buch not at last minute minimizing return
Don't deal Kreider
be smart on Talbot return
be smarter about Stall and esp Girardi deal before they are pilons
draft Dobson over Kravtsov

just to name a few.
 
Avery16 said:
I was curious to see what Boo is doing and had not realized he retired after signing with TB. Now teaches youth hockey in NYC for "Top Line Elite Hockey" so maybe bern gets partial credit on this one.
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Thanks for the kind effort at a save!
Boo went downhill once the concussions started adding up.

But at the time I pushed my initiative, which was properly conditional and limited, Boo was healthy enuf that he was the short term stopgap we should have deployed.
 
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the problem with assembling 'the kid' line is that there are probably 4 more productive players above them in the depth chart. that knocks them down to third line minutes.

mix them in with the vets' icetime, not leave them for the vets' icetime scraps.

18-4-1
 
McRanger92 said:
We’d be lucky at this point if Kakko ever became the player Bjorkstrand is
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It took Bjornstrand till his D+5 to do what Kakko did in his D+4, and Kakko did it with a good chunk less PP points. Bjorn's high point total was 57 points in 21-22 when he was also a -35. I know plus minus is iffy, but a -35 doesn't scream defensive ace. Last year he had 5 points more than Kakko, and 10 were on the PP, 21-22 year old Kakko outscored him at 5v5. Its arguable that Kakko was already as good as Bjornstrand last year. Or even better all around.
Unless Kakko has had some kind of health issue that set him back, and not just a bad start, Kakko for Bjornstrand (who will be 29 in a month or two) straight up is a BAD trade for NYR, IMO. Never mind adding to Kakko.
 
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Avery16 said:
4 pts in 4 GP for Jonny B. Get his ass out of here.
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I'm a big merit guy. Some people think high draft picks should be given jobs regardless of their play. The reason I mention this is many people including myself would like to see Othman (who has played well) at some point but Jonny Brodzinski earned this most recent call up by leading the AHL in points. To me if he was passed over that would have sent the wrong message.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Ive been saying this for weeks Nobody can use the "he isnt producing" excuse anymore. They can piecemeal the RW for another month or so but Othmann needs to be up here. He's not an 18 year old, he's ready for the pros.

What are your thoughts on Hanifin?
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I think Othmann comes up after the New Year, let him run down there and build his confidence. Yes he COULD handle being up here now, IMO, but would it be what is best for him and his development? He struggled for a bit, which is totally normal, let him produce down there for another month.

Anthony5967 said:
Half retained, do the Jeannot. Empty a ****** draft for this guy. 1st+Kakko+Fortescue+Berard+2nd
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NOPE. Awful trade, IMO.
 
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fm said:
the problem with assembling 'the kid' line is that there are probably 4 more productive players above them in the depth chart. that knocks them down to third line minutes.

mix them in with the vets' icetime, not leave them for the vets' icetime scraps.

18-4-1
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Trocheck on fire between Pan and Laf right now, but was lukewarm with Pan the other times paired with him.

A lot of questions about Chytil. Who knows what he comes back as, how long it will take him to get back to what he was doing late last season and at the start of this season.

Maybe he starts back at 3C, but as long as Chytil is healthy and at top form, I want to see the French Toast line again. That should leave the third line Cuylle/Tro/Wheeler or Kakko.
 
bhamill said:
I think Othmann comes up after the New Year, let him run down there and build his confidence. Yes he COULD handle being up here now, IMO, but would it be what is best for him and his development? He struggled for a bit, which is totally normal, let him produce down there for another month.
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Thats what ive been saying. Some fans want to treat him with kid gloves like Kakko and Laf when they arrived but those guys were 18 and clearly not ready. Othmann is 21 a month from today and has already had an overage year in the CHL. He is much closer than people realize. Under different circumstances he couldve made the team out of camp imo.

Many teams that have won Cups get that jolt from a young player or 2 with piss and vinegar. Cuylle & Othmann could be x-factors in the spring. Physical with a scoring touch. Development at the NHL level in this system, so they are ready when the games get real, is important.

Avery16 said:
Trocheck on fire between Pan and Laf right now, but was lukewarm with Pan the other times paired with him.

A lot of questions about Chytil. Who knows what he comes back as, how long it will take him to get back to what he was doing late last season and at the start of this season.

Maybe he starts back at 3C, but as long as Chytil is healthy and at top form, I want to see the French Toast line again. That should leave the third line Cuylle/Tro/Wheeler or Kakko.
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Cuylle-Trocheck-Wheeler looked good before the Chytil injury. I think Trocheck & Chytil are somewhat interchanegable on those lines ones he gets back.
 
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Avery16 said:
Trocheck on fire between Pan and Laf right now, but was lukewarm with Pan the other times paired with him.

A lot of questions about Chytil. Who knows what he comes back as, how long it will take him to get back to what he was doing late last season and at the start of this season.

Maybe he starts back at 3C, but as long as Chytil is healthy and at top form, I want to see the French Toast line again. That should leave the third line Cuylle/Tro/Wheeler or Kakko.
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No way, tro needs to stay with panarin and laf for the foreseeable future

When all healthy our third line should be

Cuylle-chytil-kakko

I can’t believe I have to type this but tro has 18 points in his last 13 games

I’m reading posts on here to drop him with cuylle and wheeler???? You people are out of your damn minds
 
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Rangers in 7 said:
No way, tro needs to stay with panarin and laf for the foreseeable future

When all healthy our third line should be

Cuylle-chytil-kakko

I can’t believe I have to type this but tro has 18 points in his last 13 games

I’m reading posts on here to drop him with cuylle and wheeler???? You people are out of your damn minds
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Most of those 18 points are from games where scoring was higher than it is typically. In eight of those 13 games Trocheck had 0 or 1 point. Let's not let five games dictate who plays with who for the rest of the season.
 
Avery16 said:
Most of those 18 points are from games where scoring was higher than it is typically. In eight of those 13 games Trocheck had 0 or 1 point. Let's not let five games dictate who plays with who for the rest of the season.
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tro has been an intergral part of that line since he moved there, i honestly dont care that chytil looked good there to start the season

you can not break it up for the sake of breaking it up

chytil would look fine centering cuylle and kakko when he comes back
 
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Rangers in 7 said:
tro has been an intergral part of that line since he moved there, i honestly dont care that chytil looked good there to start the season

you can not break it up for the sake of breaking it up

chytil would look fine centering cuylle and kakko when he comes back
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He probably starts back as 3C. I'm just saying I hope we see him get another shot with Pan and Laf at some point.
 
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