Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[Machinehead]

I wonder in the summer if they could retain say a million on Goodrow, and someone takes him at 2.6 for the last 3 years?

Take back a 7th or future considerations, whatever.

I know they can go the buyout route, but I’m not sure if he does that considering he passed up the buyout credit for this year already.

The biggest obstacle to moving Goodrow is still going to be whether the Rangers actually want to.

He's a guy that has two Cups, is a leader FWIW, and does playoff stuff whatever that is.

 

[McRanger92]

Or just have 2 or 3 A's like a normal team LMAO

There are still rebuilding teams out there with plenty of space, who would take an asset to rent some of it out.

Granted, Goodrow's M-NTC could eliminate non-contending teams, but it has to be possible.

Chicago is a very attractive city if you have money and you might accidently score 30+ goals playing with Bedard. They're looking to fill their things n' stuff quota since losing Perry.

Ive always thought of Nashville as a spot for Goodrow too. Trotz knows his reputation from the Isles/Bolts series, familiarity with McDonagh, etc. No state income tax might make it attractive for him to waive his NTC even if its on his list.

Basically, I have too much time on my hands thinking about this stuff, but I'm going to speak Trenin for Goodrow in some iteration into existence.

 

[McRanger92]

There are interesting options. The more I looked at it today though the more it felt like Zegras and Hanifin would be Rangers.

Hanifin is the obvious upgrade to Lindgren and if paired with Fox would probably be incredible. I support signing him in the off-season depending on the money. He can't be looking at any more than 5.5 to 6 yeah?

Zegras is having a tough year in Anaheim. Kakko is having a tough year this year. Perhaps a package of Kakko, Lindgren and/or Goodrow gets them going north in the standings? Can't hurt to get some good vets from a good team and some potential to replace the potential of Zegras.

Hanifin seems like a good Rangers move. Like Trocheck was. Zegras may just be a little more fantasy.

@mas0764 will love the Zegras suggestion.

Tell me about Hanifin. I dont know much about him. Theres definitely a spot he could take long term in our top 4 if we want to extend him though.

 

[17futurecap]

The biggest obstacle to moving Goodrow is still going to be whether the Rangers actually want to.

He's a guy that has two Cups, is a leader FWIW, and does playoff stuff whatever that is.

I’ll give Lavi credit, he’s shown he has very little use for Goodrow. He’s not ever elevated, and not being used as the “Swiss army knife” like Gallant would use him as.

He uses him as the second forward group on the PK, and trending for a lot less five on five minutes compared to last season.

 

[Machinehead]

I’ll give Lavi credit, he’s shown he has very little use for Goodrow. He’s not ever elevated, and not being used as the “Swiss army knife” like Gallant would use him as.

He uses him as the second forward group on the PK, and trending for a lot less five on five minutes compared to last season.

This is why I'm a bit encouraged. When Kakko got hurt, I said "oh boy, top 9 Goodrow" and we went with Brodzinski which was pretty progressive.

I'm often reminded of signing Adam McQuaid during our rebuild.

Immediately the big-braining started. "Gorton is playing 4D chess! He's gonna flip McQuaid to a dumb GM for assets!"

And I was just like "you know, the most likely scenario is that McQuaid is on the roster because Gorton wants him on the ice." People got mad at me for saying that.

If the Rangers didn't want Goodrow, he'd be gone. They have no trouble finding a way to get rid of guys when they want to. They basically terminated Tony DeAngelo.

That being said, I could see a scenario where, in this cap crunch, they take a guy that's definitely playing on their 4th line now, and decide he's not worth $3+ million.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm also reminded of having to explain to people, when Gallant was coaching, that Goodrow plays a lot.

That's always such a not fun argument to have because people don't wanna hear it but like, it's ice time: it's not an opinion.

I'm glad that's not really a thing this year.

 

[Boris Zubov]

On what planet is Drury going to make Gourde AND Mangiapane work with no cap space? We gotta get realistic here.

Yes, we need more of the Zegras & Crosby trade proposals that have been spamming this board the past week.

 

[McRanger92]

After looking into Hanifin, yes please. For this year and 7-8 more preferably.

 

[IDvsEGO]

After looking into Hanifin, yes please. For this year and 7-8 more preferably.

With what cap?? Even if you’re replacing Lindgren with him, you’ve gotta pay Schneider, and if not Kakko someone else to sit in the top 9.

 

[bhamill]

How many EA sports covers has Kakko been on?

The prosecution rests.

Ahahaha. You got me there.

 

[GAGLine]

gourde and/magiapane would be fantastic adds.

Drury would have to get really creative to make either happen. If he can find a way to swing both with out getting stupid I will build a statue of Jovos uncle on the chase bridge.

You're a wizard, Drury.

 

[Fitzy]

With what cap?? Even if you’re replacing Lindgren with him, you’ve gotta pay Schneider, and if not Kakko someone else to sit in the top 9.

What manner of payraise do you see Schneider having merited? Can't be much more than 2 mil on a new contract

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Have to find the link, but Bettmans update to the GMs said that the league is on target for a cap of $87.7M but Walsh wants to negotiate it higher.

Edit:

 

[bhamill]

I would trade our 1st this year without hesitation for 3 runs with Bjorkstrand in the middle 6. I know the Kakko hive will be after me for that one



If someone will take Goodrow (I actually think it’s possible) you do it no questions asked. Give Trocheck his A, he deserves it more anyway

This is an area where I continue to disagree with you, one of the few. I’m opposed to selling low on ANY player, and we’d be selling EXTREMELY low on KK right now. It’s just plain bad business. This is the same attitude people had toward Laf as recently as pre season. “Get whatever we can for him.” We’d be pretty f***in upset right now (and for the next 10 years or so) if those folks had gotten their way. Imagine the Buch whining, but on super steroids… including by the people who were banging the drum to sell low on him.

 

[MrAlmost]

@mas0764 will love the Zegras suggestion.

Tell me about Hanifin. I dont know much about him. Theres definitely a spot he could take long term in our top 4 if we want to extend him though.

All-around, great skating d man. Blocks, good passer. He is a bigger, less physical, but better puck handler/mover/shooter Lindgren. Both guys are smart, skate well and defend great. Though Lindgren is clearly hurt this year. Playing like shit.

With what cap?? Even if you’re replacing Lindgren with him, you’ve gotta pay Schneider, and if not Kakko someone else to sit in the top 9.

How much do you really think Schneider is going to get? And Kakko won't be here. It will be Laf, Othmann, Vesey and another young kid or vet signing.

 

[GAGLine]

Have to find the link, but Bettmans update to the GMs said that the league is on target for a cap of $87.7M but Walsh wants to negotiate it higher.

Edit:

Of course Walsh does. He pretends to care about the league, but all he really cares about is how much money he can get his clients, and consequently, himself.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Of course Walsh does. He pretends to care about the league, but all he really cares about is how much money he can get his clients, and consequently, himself.

Are we talking about the same Walsh? Lol Marty Walsh not Allan Walsh

 

[GAGLine]

Are we talking about the same Walsh? Lol Marty Walsh not Allan Walsh

Oh, I was thinking Allan Walsh lol. Who the hell is Marty Walsh?

 

[McRanger92]

With what cap?? Even if you’re replacing Lindgren with him, you’ve gotta pay Schneider, and if not Kakko someone else to sit in the top 9.

Othmann is replacing Kakko

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Oh, I was thinking Allan Walsh lol. Who the hell is Marty Walsh?

Head of the NHLPA

 

[McRanger92]

This is an area where I continue to disagree with you, one of the few. I’m opposed to selling low on ANY player, and we’d be selling EXTREMELY low on KK right now. It’s just plain bad business. This is the same attitude people had toward Laf as recently as pre season. “Get whatever we can for him.” We’d be pretty f***in upset right now (and for the next 10 years or so) if those folks had gotten their way. Imagine the Buch whining, but on super steroids… including by the people who were banging the drum to sell low on him.

We’d be lucky at this point if Kakko ever became the player Bjorkstrand is

All-around, great skating d man. Blocks, good passer. He is a bigger, less physical, but better puck handler/mover/shooter Lindgren. Both guys are smart, skate well and defend great. Though Lindgren is clearly hurt this year. Playing like shit.


How much do you really think Schneider is going to get? And Kakko won't be here. It will be Laf, Othmann, Vesey and another young kid or vet signing.

Hanifin-Fox
Miller-Trouba

Is a hell of a top 4. Hanifin was close to an 8 year, 7.5 mil extension before it went tits up in Calgary. That’s a good deal for a 26 year old too pair D

 

[Boris Zubov]

Have to find the link, but Bettmans update to the GMs said that the league is on target for a cap of $87.7M but Walsh wants to negotiate it higher.

Edit:

So much for that HUGE jump....this league is so f***ing lame.

I love how Bettman year after year loves to point to record revenues in his state of the NHL address before Game 1 of the finals. But the owners will use any excuse possible to keep the cap down. I'm sure they already have the press release written that there was a forest fire in the Andes & they need to be conservative regarding next year's cap ceiling.

 

[Kendo]

Goodrow is supposed to bring "all of the intangibles." Play hard, stick up for guys, slot wherever needed, fill in on faceoffs, PK, bring leadership and experience...all of the cliche extra things. He's paid according to being a 30 point Swiss army knife which hey, we got for a couple of seasons. It's just that it came along with "hiccups."

Funny enough, he probably has fewer "hiccups per 60" now with his ice time limited despite such little offense. His $3.6m is about $2.8 in dead cap (amount above a replacement level player), and he's about to be 31 with another 3 years remaining. I'm not sure there's a taker. And it's not worth trading a pick to dump him when a buyout would be quite manageable.

If we retain $1m or so, there might be a taker, but that would make 24-25 tighter compared to a buyout (a $250k credit for the first year). Unless someone wants to take him for a 7th or less at full charge, I'd rather ride it out for a playoff run and buy him out in the off season.

If there's a bigger deal out there that he fits to "make the money work," then we're cooking. But that's a massive if!

 

[McRanger92]

So much for that HUGE jump....this league is so f***ing lame.

I love how Bettman year after year loves to point to record revenues in his state of the NHL address before Game 1 of the finals. But the owners will use any excuse possible to keep the cap down. I'm sure they already have the press release written that there was a forest fire in the Andes & they need to be conservative regarding next year's cap ceiling.

Sounds like Bidenomics to me

 

[RangerBoy]

Have to find the link, but Bettmans update to the GMs said that the league is on target for a cap of $87.7M but Walsh wants to negotiate it higher.

Edit:

This is not a surprise. These numbers were built into the MOU from 2020.

The "lag" formula begins with the players no longer owing any money to the NHL.

5% increases

$83.5M. Add 5%. 2024-25 cap. $87.675M.

The 2025-26 cap will be $92,058,750