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Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

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RGY said:
You are probably right. And I absolutely despise him. But there is no denying his talent and abilities even at his age. For the next 1.5 years he would be a perfect center as Othmann breaks into the league.
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It’d be great but he’s made it pretty clear that he wants to wrap his career there.

Their owners fired the entire front office a few years ago because they wanted to move Letang. Can’t imagine they’d be on board with ever moving Crosby unless he asked.
 
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GoAwayPanarin said:
It’d be great but he’s made it pretty clear that he wants to wrap his career there.

Their owners fired the entire front office a few years ago because they wanted to move Letang. Can’t imagine they’d be on board with ever moving Crosby unless he asked.
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Here’s to hoping he asks and has a narrow list of where he would waive to go to.
 
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RGY said:
You are probably right. And I absolutely despise him. But there is no denying his talent and abilities even at his age. For the next 1.5 years he would be a perfect center as Othmann breaks into the league.
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Crosby would be a Messier type move . Would LOVE it but probably never happen . Trocheck is from Pittsburgh....
 
leetch99 said:
Crosby would be a Messier type move . Would LOVE it but probably never happen . Trocheck is from Pittsburgh....
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I would absolutely not deal Trocheck. He is a perfect fit for Panarin. He and Lafreniere bring a physical element to that line. And they are also effective offensively. Its a really good match.

Crosby would be in a similar position as Panarin between Cuylle and Othmann. Both are physical guys. Othmann with more of an offensive touch than Cuylle. But Cuylle can really open things up for Sid and provide a layer of protection a la Tom Wilson.

Its just a dream but man if Pittsburgh faulters over the next 1-2 months … i don’t know. Crosby can certainly ride it out there but he is such a competitor. We just saw Kane leave Chicago. Messier was traded from Edmonton. These things happen. Gretzky. Pittsburgh is not in good shape. Guentzel is 29 in a contract year. Theyre old. Their defense stinks. Their depth stinks. Goaltending is jeckyll and hyde. We’ll see.
 
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As it looks like the board is split 50/50 on Kakko (yes, I know he's injured) dealing him is most likely out of the question until the deadline (possibly) what about calling up Ottawa and trying to do a deal around:

Kakko for Pinto.

2 young players both drafted in the first round (1 at the top and 1 at the bottom) both missing a large portion of the season (1 due to injury and 1 due to well kind of being stupid).

Salaries should be close, but I would look to sign Pinto to a long-term deal. Rumor had it around 4 years at approx. 3 million.

Pinto put up good numbers last year and will only get better and most importantly solves our need for a center.

Maybe Ottawa wants more but they don't have the cap room as they would have had to move someone to sign Pinto if he wasn't suspended.

Still allows Drury to make some other moves at the deadline and Pinto's youth can be added to the core.
 
Let’s be clear. Pittsburgh would want, Laf+ Othmann+miller+ 3 firsts.

Let me know when you want to make that move

howztheglass said:
As it looks like the board is split 50/50 on Kakko (yes, I know he's injured) dealing him is most likely out of the question until the deadline (possibly) what about calling up Ottawa and trying to do a deal around:

Kakko for Pinto.

2 young players both drafted in the first round (1 at the top and 1 at the bottom) both missing a large portion of the season (1 due to injury and 1 due to well kind of being stupid).

Salaries should be close, but I would look to sign Pinto to a long-term deal. Rumor had it around 4 years at approx. 3 million.

Pinto put up good numbers last year and will only get better and most importantly solves our need for a center.

Maybe Ottawa wants more but they don't have the cap room as they would have had to move someone to sign Pinto if he wasn't suspended.

Still allows Drury to make some other moves at the deadline and Pinto's youth can be added to the core.
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Can we stop with this weird obsession with ny kids?
 
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RGY said:
Too much for Lindholm. For a 3C i think there would be other options out there.

Totally separate option would be Crosby 50% retained for Conditional 1st, Conditional 3rd, Kakko.

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I really feel we have at best a 2 to 3 year window to make a cup run. Much of our top end talent will age soon. Our younger talent is solid but not spectacular. I really would look to make a move for Crosby or McDavid. We could have a legit chance at a cup or 2 in that 3 year window.
 
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NickyFotiu said:
They may want that but if Crosby asked to be here we could have some leverage.

No Laf. No Miller.

Chytil + Kaako+Lindgrin+ a 1st + a 2nd and a free Sam Rosen Cameo.
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That leverage concept is overblown and never works out in reality.
We may not be bidding against other teams, but pittsburg has no real reason to make any moves.
Crosby forced them to re-sign letang, re-sign malkin, acquire karlsson.
If he wants out, he can walk.
Dubas would be absolutely insane to do anything more than that.
 
IDvsEGO said:
That leverage concept is overblown and never works out in reality.
We may not be bidding against other teams, but pittsburg has no real reason to make any moves.
Crosby forced them to re-sign letang, re-sign malkin, acquire karlsson.
If he wants out, he can walk.
Dubas would be absolutely insane to do anything more than that.
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You could be right. You could be wrong. Each situation is individual. Sometimes a player asking to be moved to a specific team is not a big deal. Sometimes it is. Sometimes after a player has done a lot for a franchise they want to make that player happy. As far as the signings you mentioned that would be reason to see those players as well as Crosby if they think their window is closed. People often overestimate the return on other teams players and underestimate their own. Look at the firesales we had. Look what we got for Leetch and McD. Those 2 guys did not even ask to be traded.
 
IDvsEGO said:
That leverage concept is overblown and never works out in reality.
We may not be bidding against other teams, but pittsburg has no real reason to make any moves.
Crosby forced them to re-sign letang, re-sign malkin, acquire karlsson.
If he wants out, he can walk.
Dubas would be absolutely insane to do anything more than that.
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The return you posted is closer to value for McDavid, not Crosby.
 
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RGY said:
The return you posted is closer to value for McDavid, not Crosby.
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Crosby is still very much a top 10 center making less than Mika, and they would be trading inside the division.
To do that would require a massive overpayment. Im not saying thats crosby's actual value, im saying thats what they want/require to do the deal.
 
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howztheglass said:
As it looks like the board is split 50/50 on Kakko (yes, I know he's injured) dealing him is most likely out of the question until the deadline (possibly) what about calling up Ottawa and trying to do a deal around:

Kakko for Pinto.

2 young players both drafted in the first round (1 at the top and 1 at the bottom) both missing a large portion of the season (1 due to injury and 1 due to well kind of being stupid).

Salaries should be close, but I would look to sign Pinto to a long-term deal. Rumor had it around 4 years at approx. 3 million.

Pinto put up good numbers last year and will only get better and most importantly solves our need for a center.

Maybe Ottawa wants more but they don't have the cap room as they would have had to move someone to sign Pinto if he wasn't suspended.

Still allows Drury to make some other moves at the deadline and Pinto's youth can be added to the core.
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I suggested this last week and got ripped for it. I’d absolutely make this deal. 2 young talented guys who probably need a change of scenery
 
IDvsEGO said:
Crosby is still very much a top 10 center making less than Mika, and they would be trading inside the division.
To do that would require a massive overpayment. Im not saying thats crosby's actual value, im saying thats what they want/require to do the deal.
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I hear you on his abilities and production. I also acknowledge the divisional trade. But teams are making deals within a division even more and more these days due to seeing those teams less during the regular season, cap constraints, and NMC/NTCs. Crosby is still 36 as well with a heavy cap hit even if it is indeed less than Mika’a. Pretty much every contending team would need 50% retained and even then some wouldn’t be able to fit him.

I think a 1st, conditional 3rd to become a 2nd, Kakko, and another B prospect could get things moving. If Chytil has to be involved then the conditional 3rd and B prospect comes out. That gives Pittsburgh two younger pieces for the next 5-7 years. Chytil can play C in their Top 6. Kakko can easily be in their Top 6. I think you are looking at much better pieces than most teams could offer. NHL players that are still young.


"There is word today the Nashville Predators have given Tyson Barrie permission to talk to other teams. Barrie is expected to be a scratch vs the Rangers and is a UFA after this season. This allows team and player to see if there is a better fit elsewhere"
 
I don’t really like Hanifin. Don’t think that’s the fit here. He’s not a bad player just not what we need if we’re going to upgrade that spot.

I think Lindgren is the right style of player, I just want a better version of that.
 
If Pinto is any good, Ottawa will always keep him. If he's fools good, he will get dealt.
 
Tonight’s the perfect opportunity for Drury to make sure the team leaves Nashville with Phil Tomasino being a Ranger.
 
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IDvsEGO said:
Ottawa still has cap problems. Thats not going to be automatically resolved by mid season.
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There are an awful lot of stops between where they are now and being forced to trade a 22 year old coming off a 20 goal 1st season who at most will command 2.5% of the cap because they can't fit him.

They can just hold him to his QO which has been on the table the whole time they were having cap problems. They would hardly be the first team to do so.
 
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