Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[Profet]

Drury traded a first for Copp and he wasn’t physical at all. The player was just a good fit for what they needed.

No... Drury traded a conditional 2nd round pick for Copp. We just happened to do well enough to meet the conditions to turn it into a first.

And Copp WAS perceived to be physical.

From the Athletic:

Where does Copp fit with the Rangers?
Arthur Staple, New York hockey columnist: Right in with what Gerard Gallant wants to see from his team. Copp was the one forward on the market who could give the Rangers wing and center versatility, a bit of snarl and some scoring touch. He could play anywhere from the top line to the fourth line and bumps down some lesser-skilled players to their proper roles.

Drury def has a type. Whether or not you choose to believe it doesn't change that fact.

 

[McRanger92]

No... Drury traded a conditional 2nd round pick for Copp. We just happened to do well enough to meet the conditions to turn it into a first.

And Copp WAS perceived to be physical.

From the Athletic:



Drury def has a type. Whether or not you choose to believe it doesn't change that fact.

Duclair has an affordable contract, recent playoff success and plays a position of need. I think the GM is smart enough to overlook a perceived lack of physicality for a guy like that. He’s one of a few options but he’d be a good one

 

[IDvsEGO]

No... Drury traded a conditional 2nd round pick for Copp. We just happened to do well enough to meet the conditions to turn it into a first.

And Copp WAS perceived to be physical.

From the Athletic:



Drury def has a type. Whether or not you choose to believe it doesn't change that fact.

Othmann was his first pick. Definitely has snarl.
He’s not afraid to pick finesse and skill, but I think he wants a complete package because the rangers are a playoff team, and that’s what you need.

 

[Profet]

Othmann was his first pick. Definitely has snarl.
He’s not afraid to pick finesse and skill, but I think he wants a complete package because the rangers are a playoff team, and that’s what you need.

He traded Barron and I wouldn't be surprised to see Jones shown the door at the trade deadline for the same reason.

 

[Profet]

Othmann was his first pick. Definitely has snarl.
He’s not afraid to pick finesse and skill, but I think he wants a complete package because the rangers are a playoff team, and that’s what you need.

Sykora is also a good example of a Drury player.

 

[Anthony5967]

Team is 16-4-1 so the flavor of the month narrative now is how we can sh*t on the team's heart and soul defenseman, ship him out for a mercenary that won't be here next year, **** up the chemistry, and then when it happens, all the 20/20 hindsight couch GMs can say WhY DiD dRuRy TrAdE LiNdY? Pizza man bad!!

 

[Profet]

Duclair has an affordable contract, recent playoff success and plays a position of need. I think the GM is smart enough to overlook a perceived lack of physicality for a guy like that. He’s one of a few options but he’d be a good one

Based on his past acquisitions, and trades, I think Drury would prefer to go back to the Tarasenko well rather than Duclair.

 

[McRanger92]

Based on his past acquisitions, and trades, I think Drury would prefer to go back to the Tarasenko well rather than Duclair.

I’m also cool with that. Tarasenko would’ve been looked at more favorably if not for Kane. I thought he was a perfect fit last year, on the ice and in the room

 

[IDvsEGO]

Sykora is also a good example of a Drury player.

Im not sure how much bite sykora has. But I’d agree.
I think Drury has an ideal team, and I like his ideal.
Talent with bite if possible, supported with grit.
I think the flat cap has hamstrung him as much as the other top GM’s, but he’s done a great job drafting both short term and long term to fit the time lines needed.

 

[McRanger92]

Im not sure how much bite sykora has. But I’d agree.
I think Drury has an ideal team, and I like his ideal.
Talent with bite if possible, supported with grit.
I think the flat cap has hamstrung him as much as the other top GM’s, but he’s done a great job drafting both short term and long term to fit the time lines needed.

Drury has built the team like Tampa Bay.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

A musical analogy is Lindgren is the Michael Anthony (bassist and back up vocalist from Van Halen) of the Rangers.

He's not going anywhere. It's fan fiction.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I think the emphasis Laviolette and the players have put on being a Team is important. They been on record saying out that it’s been a positive this year compared to last. I’m very hesitant to deal a well liked, long time Ranger who plays with max effort, just for a hypothetical upgrade. Lindgren is a good player and part of the solution this year, I’m just scared off by his contract next year. I’m not dealing him for a UFA.

A team full of Rudy's gets you last place. Lindgren is carried by Fox and is not going to be worth his contract next year.

You need talent to win in this league. Rangers had a bunch of heart and soul guys in Cally and Girardi and they didn't win anything due to lack of talent. Keeping guys who are well liked is why teams don't win cups.

 

[Flan the incredible]

You are not giving him enough credit for what he means to this team. He's a solid Dman and he plays tough minutes. The offense has not been there this year but he has scored between 15-20 points every year before this year. Not great but not horrible either. He's an important player on and off the ice. How much is Hanifin going to cost at 50% retained? Maybe the Rangers should look to upgrade their biggest weakness first which is 1RW.

He rides the coat tails of Fox and any Dman playing with Fox should get way more than 20 points. Guy gets 1 goal a year almost every year. Look what Toews does with Makar. Hronek with Hughes. Lindgren isn't good at blocking shots, hitting, passing, shooting but some how he is amazing at keeping the puck out of the net. He is so over rated by this fanbase because he tries and gets his ass kicked regularly. You know how many dmen have played 20 games, have the same or more time on ice Lindgren has that have the same or less points than Lindgren.......Zero.. He is the worst dman in terms of offense. You dont win cups with guys like that. 5v5 is essentially 5v4 when he is on the ice in the O-zone. I love when people complain why the Rangers can't score 5v5 ......gee lets ignore the elephant in the room.

I dont know what Hanifin would cost but I would offer Lindgren and see what else they would want. If its not much I would pull the trigger and try to sign him to a decent deal. If not sign Gus and play him with Trouba next year.

 

[huerter]

He rides the coat tails of Fox and any Dman playing with Fox should get way more than 20 points. Guy gets 1 goal a year almost every year. Look what Toews does with Makar. Hronek with Hughes. Lindgren isn't good at blocking shots, hitting, passing, shooting but some how he is amazing at keeping the puck out of the net. He is so over rated by this fanbase because he tries and gets his ass kicked regularly. You know how many dmen have played 20 games, have the same or more time on ice Lindgren has that have the same or less points than Lindgren.......Zero.. He is the worst dman in terms of offense. You dont win cups with guys like that. 5v5 is essentially 5v4 when he is on the ice in the O-zone. I love when people complain why the Rangers can't score 5v5 ......gee lets ignore the elephant in the room.

I dont know what Hanifin would cost but I would offer Lindgren and see what else they would want. If its not much I would pull the trigger and try to sign him to a decent deal. If not sign Gus and play him with Trouba next year.

points schmoints. You have to fight me and Mel if you want to separate them.

 

[RangerBoy]

How much does Hanifan want in the off-season? $6.5m on a long term deal?

He is looking for Toews money. 7 years/$50M plus.

 

[RangerBoy]

Duke with a couple goals against the Devils. Once a Ranger, always a Ranger? That does seems like a Drury move

The Devils can't defend. Their defenseman can't defend. Their forwards can't defend. Their goalie can't stop a beach ball. Duclair didn't have to do much for those goals. Duclair is a waste of time.

 

[RGY]

Sidney Crosby with 50% retained.

 

[pld459666]

sure but what are you willing to give up and pay him on top of that? I guess he does have one more year after this but he's gonna be 30 and want a lot more than what he's making now

Lindholm is probably one of the top 2 deadline additions. We cant add him without retention at 50%, and that price is going to be driven up very high.
I like him, I'd love him on the team, but he's also going to be out of price range.

I'd offer a 1st, 2nd and Berard, but they would also have to take Goodrow to off set salary.

Pitlick and Bonino can do what goodrow does for a whole lot less. Additionally Lindholm can also PK so Goodrow would not be a loss.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I'd offer a 1st, 2nd and Berard, but they would also have to take Goodrow to off set salary.

Pitlick and Bonino can do what goodrow does for a whole lot less. Additionally Lindholm can also PK so Goodrow would not be a loss.

Goodrow would have to be a separate move because teams are gonna want to take an asset for retention.
Also Goodrow blocks that move.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lindholm is not that good.

He’s like… a slightly better Ryan Strome.

 

[RGY]

I'd offer a 1st, 2nd and Berard, but they would also have to take Goodrow to off set salary.

Pitlick and Bonino can do what goodrow does for a whole lot less. Additionally Lindholm can also PK so Goodrow would not be a loss.

Too much for Lindholm. For a 3C i think there would be other options out there.

Totally separate option would be Crosby 50% retained for Conditional 1st, Conditional 3rd, Kakko.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Wheeler
Panarin-Troch-Lafreniere
Cuylle-Crosby-Othmann
Vesey-Bonino-Goodrow
Pitlick

 

[Rangerboy030]

Too much for Lindholm. For a 3C i think there would be other options out there.

Totally separate option would be Crosby 50% retained for Conditional 1st, Conditional 3rd, Kakko.

Kreider-Zibanejad-Wheeler
Panarin-Troch-Lafreniere
Cuylle-Crosby-Othmann
Vesey-Bonino-Goodrow
Pitlick

Pittsburgh would rather flay themselves than trade Crosby to us, or indeed, any other team.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Team is 16-4-1 so the flavor of the month narrative now is how we can sh*t on the team's heart and soul defenseman, ship him out for a mercenary that won't be here next year, **** up the chemistry, and then when it happens, all the 20/20 hindsight couch GMs can say WhY DiD dRuRy TrAdE LiNdY? Pizza man bad!!

People are looking to make a trade just for the sake of making a trade

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Sidney Crosby with 50% retained.

He’s going down with that ship.

 

[RGY]

He’s going down with that ship.

You are probably right. And I absolutely despise him. But there is no denying his talent and abilities even at his age. For the next 1.5 years he would be a perfect center as Othmann breaks into the league.