Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[Flan the incredible]

Make a trade now for who exactly? You make it sound so easy. Lindgren is making 3 mil this year and is a solid NHL defensemen who is good defensively and a great PKer. Who is going to make such a huge difference and for how much? The guy takes a beating because he is willing to play that way and contrary to popular opinion he hasn't missed much time in his career even with missing 19 games last year.

He is a blackhole on offense. Guy is all heart and soul sure but he isn't a great hockey player. The fact he plays on the 1st pairing isn't a good thing. In terms of players if you want a top pairing guy there is 1 available so far and that is Hanifin at 50% would work. If the Rangers want to shift KAM and Gus up and that could open up more options. If the Rangers are serious about winning a cup Drury should look to improve on him rather than overpay him next year.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Quick tomorrow, Igor Sunday?

 

[McRanger92]

I agree with that but that also raises the question is Gus better with Troubs? If people are upset about trading him imagine him on the 3rd pair with Schneider.

Lindgren on the 3rd pair? Thats probably where he should be, who would have an issue with that? He still would be heavily relied on on the PK and Dzone. Gotta put guys in position to play to their strengths. I think Laviolette and the staff will make that adjustment as the season progresses

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

He is a blackhole on offense. Guy is all heart and soul sure but he isn't a great hockey player. The fact he plays on the 1st pairing isn't a good thing. In terms of players if you want a top pairing guy there is 1 available so far and that is Hanifin at 50% would work. If the Rangers want to shift KAM and Gus up and that could open up more options. If the Rangers are serious about winning a cup Drury should look to improve on him rather than overpay him next year.

"isn't a great hockey player"

False

 

[Flan the incredible]

Lindgren on the 3rd pair? Thats probably where he should be, who would have an issue with that? He still would be heavily relied on on the PK and Dzone. Gotta put guys in position to play to their strengths. I think Laviolette and the staff will make that adjustment as the season progresses

Sounds like Goodrow. Overpaid bottom pairing player. Everyone would have an issue with it.

I agree with you its where he should be but he isn't paid like it and won't in his next contract.

 

[GAGLine]

I think it's Zucker as the target. That's what my gut says. Also think the cost will be reasonable

Zucker has a 5.3 mil cap hit. Even at 50%, that will be tough to fit.

 

[McRanger92]

Sounds like Goodrow. Overpaid bottom pairing player. Everyone would have an issue with it.

I agree with you its where he should be but he isn't paid like it and won't in his next contract.

Oh i dont want to sign Lindgren. Rather sign Gus. Just easier to move out a popular locker room guy in the summer when it wouldnt be here one day, gone the next, you know?

 

[NYR Viper]

Zucker has a 5.3 mil cap hit. Even at 50%, that will be tough to fit.

I don't disagree, I just get the sense that's the guy. May take double retention but the cost from Arizona is likely not high

 

[effen]

I don't disagree, I just get the sense that's the guy. May take double retention but the cost from Arizona is likely not high

Arizona's gonna make a PO run this year. Their vets aren't good enough to get anything significant, they have had infinity picks already and have more infinity picks coming. They don't need more assets. They need money in the form of playoff revenue.

They have ten (10) second rounders the next 3 years.

 

[NYR Viper]

Arizona's gonna make a PO run this year. Their vets aren't good enough to get anything significant, they have had infinity picks already and have more infinity picks coming. They don't need more assets. They need money in the form of playoff revenue.

They have ten (10) second rounders the next 3 years.

I'm guessing they use 4-6 of those to bring in players this off-season. If I were Drury, I would be greasing the skids for a Lindgren landing spot at the same time I'm discussing Zucker. NYR 2nd '25 + NYR 2nd '26 + NYR 3rd '26 for Lindgren. The Rangers get their picks back and Arizona adds a young veteran to their back end

 

[ReleasO The KakkO]

Quick tomorrow, Igor Sunday?

I like it. Play the hotter guy against the better of the two weekend opponents.

 

[Flan the incredible]

"isn't a great hockey player"

False

Your bar for a great hockey player is ridiculously low then. Most fans don't want a guy who has 1 point playing top line minutes. How can you be that terrible to not luck into more than 1 point.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Oh i dont want to sign Lindgren. Rather sign Gus. Just easier to move out a popular locker room guy in the summer when it wouldnt be here one day, gone the next, you know?

Fair but why not move him now and get an upgrade if you can? There isn't a dominant team in the league this year so winning the cup has never been so attainable. So far this year the Rangers are the team to beat.

 

[bernmeister]

How much does Hanifan want in the off-season? $6.5m on a long term deal?

not a cap fit
something in that ballpark short term <<< Sanderson, esp locked in 8 per long term

Sell high on Laf? He hasn’t reached his potential yet. Not close. It’s not as bad as selling on him last year, but it’s STILL selling low. He’s barely 22 and just finding his game.
We’re always lamenting not drafting enough skill, and you want to ship out the two highest skill forwards we have drafted in 20 years. We need the skilled wings more than we need another stud D. And your trade is BASICALLY Laf and GP for Sanderson. Pinto is nothing special, him and the pick swap would be close to a wash on their own. Maybe NYR adding a mid round if that was the whole deal.
Honestly it’s moot, because neither team would be too motivated to do this, and NYR would be totally adverse. Bad deal for NYR.

1. I appreciate the honest, constructive feedback, agree or disagree.
2. Do not concur
I concede overpayment is necessary, but worth it here.
If we have to let Trouba go for cap, w/Lindgren at risk of breaking down, that leaves only KAM as a physical D. Robertson is semi=physical, but I prefer we break him in on 3rd pair. Scanlin is really phsyical but that is next yr at earliest The Fort-meister is 2+ yrs away.
We have Othmann ready and he can step in now-ish as opposed to Gabe P.

Yes, no ?, LaF would have increased value if we waited, but he would still be going over in this deal; maybe we squeeze a bit more out of Sens, but not worth it when we can lock up our D.

 

[Leonardo87]

I can’t even imagine how Rangers HF would be if the Rangers were on a 8 game losing streak. lol

 

[egelband]

Fair but why not move him now and get an upgrade if you can? There isn't a dominant team in the league this year so winning the cup has never been so attainable. So far this year the Rangers are the team to beat.

Like it or not, Drury values the locker room and team chemistry very highly. He won’t move any of the core guys. And in fact I think he won’t even move a Bonino or a Pitlick very easily. It’s a philosophical thing. They roll with who they have out of training camp. They’ll add strategically if possible but I’d be amazed if anyone of note it’s traded.

 

[McRanger92]

Fair but why not move him now and get an upgrade if you can? There isn't a dominant team in the league this year so winning the cup has never been so attainable. So far this year the Rangers are the team to beat.

I think the emphasis Laviolette and the players have put on being a Team is important. They been on record saying out that it’s been a positive this year compared to last. I’m very hesitant to deal a well liked, long time Ranger who plays with max effort, just for a hypothetical upgrade. Lindgren is a good player and part of the solution this year, I’m just scared off by his contract next year. I’m not dealing him for a UFA.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I think the emphasis Laviolette and the players have put on being a Team is important. They been on record saying out that it’s been a positive this year compared to last. I’m very hesitant to deal a well liked, long time Ranger who plays with max effort, just for a hypothetical upgrade. Lindgren is a good player and part of the solution this year, I’m just scared off by his contract next year. I’m not dealing him for a UFA.

This is where this site drives me insane.
You want to replace Lindgren with some mythical top pair defenseman who's somehow going to make less than lindgren while providing both more defense and more offense.
You're concerned about his future cap hit? Great, name me a better defenseman overall, that will have a lower cap hit than lindgren and can play top 2 with fox, thats not on an ELC.

 

[huerter]

Lindgren on the 3rd pair? Thats probably where he should be, who would have an issue with that? He still would be heavily relied on on the PK and Dzone. Gotta put guys in position to play to their strengths. I think Laviolette and the staff will make that adjustment as the season progresses

I would. The synergy between Fox and Lindgren should be nurtured, caressed, cised-inducing. Not destroyed.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I'm guessing they use 4-6 of those to bring in players this off-season. If I were Drury, I would be greasing the skids for a Lindgren landing spot at the same time I'm discussing Zucker. NYR 2nd '25 + NYR 2nd '26 + NYR 3rd '26 for Lindgren. The Rangers get their picks back and Arizona adds a young veteran to their back end

So one year of Nemeth and a third round pick for Lindgren.
Ooof! That the hazard’s of On-the-job-training.

 

[McRanger92]

This is where this site drives me insane.
You want to replace Lindgren with some mythical top pair defenseman who's somehow going to make less than lindgren while providing both more defense and more offense.
You're concerned about his future cap hit? Great, name me a better defenseman overall, that will have a lower cap hit than lindgren and can play top 2 with fox, thats not on an ELC.

?

I didn’t say any of that first paragraph so idk where that came from.

My policy on Lindgren as of now is that I wouldn’t sign him to an extension unless the contract was reasonable. I’m fine with going into next season with Miller, Gus and Jones as the LDs.

 

[zlev]

i would buy out Trouba to keep Lindgren

 

[McRanger92]

I would. The synergy between Fox and Lindgren should be nurtured, caressed, cised-inducing. Not destroyed.

I like you Kevin but Miller-Fox should be given a shot, you can always go back to the traditional pairings if I doesn’t work out. It’s not looking like we’ll be fighting for a playoff spot in the second half so that would be a time for experimenting imo.

 

[bhamill]

not a cap fit
something in that ballpark short term <<< Sanderson, esp locked in 8 per long term


1. I appreciate the honest, constructive feedback, agree or disagree.
2. Do not concur
I concede overpayment is necessary, but worth it here.
If we have to let Trouba go for cap, w/Lindgren at risk of breaking down, that leaves only KAM as a physical D. Robertson is semi=physical, but I prefer we break him in on 3rd pair. Scanlin is really phsyical but that is next yr at earliest The Fort-meister is 2+ yrs away.
We have Othmann ready and he can step in now-ish as opposed to Gabe P.

Yes, no ?, LaF would have increased value if we waited, but he would still be going over in this deal; maybe we squeeze a bit more out of Sens, but not worth it when we can lock up our D.

Yeah. I think we just disagree on what is best for the NYR. I think Laf is more important to the present and future of this team than Sanderson would be. He’s been our best or second best player pretty much EVERY game this year and he’s just turned 22. I’m not sure why ANYONE would want to move him at this point unless someone is overpaying US. If you believe Othmann can just step in and replace him, I have to disagree.
I don’t see why we can’t keep Trouba. I agree Fort is probably more than two years away. But Schneider is a very physical d man. More so than KAM. And another could be had for less than Laf... never mind Laf AND GP.
Anyway, I also appreciate the constructive discourse, agree or disagree.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Yeah, the Rangers won't be trading Lindgren mid season.