Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[GoAwayPanarin]

I thought Vancouver was already over the cap or close to it, hence the desire to dump garland somewhere? Did I miss something? How did they just add Zadorov?

They traded beauvillier to chicago
For a 5th

 

[McRanger92]

I thought Vancouver was already over the cap or close to it, hence the desire to dump garland somewhere? Did I miss something? How did they just add Zadorov?

Traded Beauvillier to Chicago

 

[bernmeister]

For those clamoring for Tarasenko, have you watched him play this year? I haven’t, but i see that he only has 3 goals and he looked pretty close to washed to me as a Ranger last year. I have zero interest in trying to add him again.

What kind of trade would TBL make? That’s the kind of trade I am interested in. A middle six winger, or “forward”, with speed, jam, and an ability to score greasy goals.

Need to examine further but something like
LaF + Perrault + 2027 nyr 1st + something from Oil [working on it]
for
Sanderson + Pinto + OTT 2024 2nd w/Tara as an expiring cap dump is as far as we should go w/Tara

 

[NYR Viper]

Thanks guys, forgot about that

 

[bernmeister]

I am surprised Zadarov got traded already and the return was pretty meh. If rumors are true and he demanded a trade i wonder if the locker room is still having issues. One would assume you wait till the deadline to maximize the return, maybe a GM blinks and you get a 2nd.

Calgary is in a weird spot with Kadri and Hubs signing long term deals. Your hope is they play well so they will want to waive their NMCs and you can get something of value for them.. If they don't perform you are stuck with them for the duration of their contracts. Feel like if they had the option to retool they would rather go that route then full break it down build it back up rebuild.

Drury should grab the phone and offer Lindgren and Chytil and a pick for Lindholm and Hanifin 50% retained. Calgary gets 2 young pieces they control for the next few years Rangers get 2 UFAs that they can try to sign after they move Goodrow in the offseason. It would also give them almost 3 million to upgrade RW.

no on moving Chytil or the pick
Lindholm may not be a good long term fit
we should sell high on Lindgren

good eye on Zad situation, but as others noted, he was sent w/zero retention.
Drove the price down

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Need to examine further but something like
LaF + Perrault + 2027 nyr 1st + something from Oil [working on it]
for
Sanderson + Pinto + OTT 2024 2nd w/Tara as an expiring cap dump is as far as we should go w/Tara

This is horrible.

 

[duhmetreE]

Back on the Chychrun train

 

[bernmeister]

McDonagh is probably about the only former ranger who has been brought up in here who I'd have any interest in bringing back.

I'll keep on asking you this because you never answer it.

Who is this big D replacing in the current lineup? Lindgren? Schneider? Those guys fit the bill (well at least Schneider does) of what you're looking for.

I'd love to upgrade Lindgren but that isn't happening in season.

Not impossible
I can see exploiting Oil in larger deal, he goes west
Hopefully we acquire Sanderson
if not, develop Robertson/Scanlin, which we need to do anyway to get get ahead of the curve

Rangers are not unseating any of their six on the backend. You'd be smokin crack to move any of them out. They need a RW1. That's the item on Drury's grocery list.

You may be right but that would be the wrong move.

Wanna hear from @RangerBoy what he thinks Sanderson would cost given they are penalized a 1st, have issues, and it would require overpayment but enuf on the table, they should do a deal....

 

[kovazub94]

CGY didnt retain. We couldn't take his salary yet without some retention. That kept the price down.

Absolutely, and the point is that it wasn't just the Rangers that would need retention or some other cap maneuvering to have this trade working, especially so early in the season when very little cap space "got banked" if any.

 

[NickyFotiu]

LOL another “big D”. Can’t argue with that after watching Conn Smythe winners Mikkola and Nemeth

When Boyle says big I think he means physically imposing. Neither Mikkola nor Nemeth dominated physically.

 

[bernmeister]

This is horrible.

Why?
Do you think you get an asset like that for underpay, on terms YOU want?
Supply + demand
this guy is a 5OA, solid, excellent to add w/Trouba now and great to add if we can't afford to keep Trouba going forward.
His cap hit is elc this yr, 8 per long term going forward into his prime.
First -12 yrs that 8 is just a tad pricey, but after that, very good and a bargain by the end.
Gotta think ahead of the curve.
You are buying virtual certainty of asset w/zero screw up issues.
All this is not cheap.

So set aside if this is enuf for Sens,
let's look af from Rs perspective....

LaF has finally arrived including as to acceptable skating
Perrault the one hole in his game may be NHL level skating, tho his level may not be as subpar as LaF's was. Otherwise has looked excellent.
We have Tara as a rental stopgap
Othmann can step in if nec and this helps create room for him going forward
earlier 2nd Sens can swing [have 2 1sts this yr] for a delayed late 1st is fine, and works for OTT [have to pony up a 1st over next 3 years].
Pinto will help once his suspension is over, and is good insurance if Chytil is finished/gone long term.

Sandy at 8 actually HELPS us w/KAM long term
He will likely go a bit under the 8 long term as opposed to feeling emboldened to ask for closer to Fox's 9+ per

So why?
Take a 2nd look, do the homework...

 

[Anthony5967]

Not impossible
I can see exploiting Oil in larger deal, he goes west
Hopefully we acquire Sanderson
if not, develop Robertson/Scanlin, which we need to do anyway to get get ahead of the curve


You may be right but that would be the wrong move.

Wanna hear from @RangerBoy what he thinks Sanderson would cost given they are penalized a 1st, have issues, and it would require overpayment but enuf on the table, they should do a deal....

Bern, please. Sanderson is untouchable on Ottawa's end. No reason for them to move a top-5 overall pick d-man that will be a fixture on their blueline. And I am curious, in your fantasy land, what are you moving out for him?

 

[McRanger92]

Why?
Do you think you get an asset like that for underpay, on terms YOU want?
Supply + demand
this guy is a 5OA, solid, excellent to add w/Trouba now and great to add if we can't afford to keep Trouba going forward.
His cap hit is elc this yr, 8 per long term going forward into his prime.
First -12 yrs that 8 is just a tad pricey, but after that, very good and a bargain by the end.
Gotta think ahead of the curve.
You are buying virtual certainty of asset w/zero screw up issues.
All this is not cheap.

So set aside if this is enuf for Sens,
let's look af from Rs perspective....

LaF has finally arrived including as to acceptable skating
Perrault the one hole in his game may be NHL level skating, tho his level may not be as subpar as LaF's was. Otherwise has looked excellent.
We have Tara as a rental stopgap
Othmann can step in if nec and this helps create room for him going forward
earlier 2nd Sens can swing [have 2 1sts this yr] for a delayed late 1st is fine, and works for OTT [have to pony up a 1st over next 3 years].
Pinto will help once his suspension is over, and is good insurance if Chytil is finished/gone long term.

Sandy at 8 actually HELPS us w/KAM long term
He will likely go a bit under the 8 long term as opposed to feeling emboldened to ask for closer to Fox's 9+ per

So why?
Take a 2nd look, do the homework...

"EA Sports...its in the game"

 

[bernmeister]

Bern, please. Sanderson is untouchable on Ottawa's end. No reason for them to move a top-5 overall pick d-man that will be a fixture on their blueline. And I am curious, in your fantasy land, what are you moving out for him?

Ordinarily, yes; if sufficient overpayment, no.

"EA Sports...its in the game"

see posts 4153 and 4161
then objectively discuss on the merits
including as to if enuf overpayment but still works for Rs

 

[McRanger92]

Ordinarily, yes; if sufficient overpayment, no.




see posts 4153 and 4161
then objectively discuss on the merits
including as to if enuf overpayment but still works for Rs

Objectively speaking, a trade like this will never happen. Neither side has any reason to do it.

 

[bernmeister]

Objectively speaking, a trade like this will never happen. Neither side has any reason to do it.

Objectively speaking, both sides have more than sufficient reason to do it

Rs would welcome Sanderson to a young mix that locks up a young core that can grow together.

Sens would benefit from overpayment and need to add quality assets to move forward.

you can disagree if you feel Rs are better off w/surplus Ws we have instead of premium LD + Pinto + afterthought rental Tara
but disingenuous to say not enuf suf reason

 

[Avery16]

When Boyle says big I think he means physically imposing. Neither Mikkola nor Nemeth dominated physically.

I liked Mikkola. He didn't murder anyone but he did keep the crease clear and wasn't afraid to get his nose into it.

 

[McRanger92]

Objectively speaking, both sides have more than sufficient reason to do it

Rs would welcome Sanderson to a young mix that locks up a young core that can grow together.

Sens would benefit from overpayment and need to add quality assets to move forward.

you can disagree if you feel Rs are better off w/surplus Ws we have instead of premium LD + Pinto + afterthought rental Tara
but disingenuous to say not enuf suf reason

38 year old Blake Wheeler is our top line RW. Where is the surplus?

Actually, you're right. Forget I said anything

 

[NickyFotiu]

I liked Mikkola. He didn't murder anyone but he did keep the crease clear and wasn't afraid to get his nose into it.

I liked him as well but I think Boyle was thinking more of a Trouba-Stevens-Pronger physical presence. Guys that played the game know how important a role physicality can still play come playoff time.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I liked him as well but I think Boyle was thinking more of a Trouba-Stevens-Pronger physical presence. Guys that played the game know how important a role physicality can still play come playoff time.

How realistic is that? A Mikkola type is actually attainable.

 

[Fitzy]

I think this team needs one last top 9 forward a lot worse than it needs another blueliner.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think this team needs one last top 9 forward a lot worse than it needs another blueliner.

I could see a utility forward and then a depth d-man. Someone like Steve Eminger used to be. Someone who could be a #7/8 here. With Harpur hurt, I think Drury will want to add a veteran depth piece.

 

[Rangers in 7]

after all these years i still cant tell if bern is being serious or not

with that said the upgrade is RW1 and while id love to upgrade lindgren with hanifan for instance it will never happen.....hes loved in the locker room

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Henrique seems like the most obvious fit.

I’d rather Trenin if possible but we’ll see if he’s even available. I’m not opposed to dealing off of the roster either if the right opportunity presents itself.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think it's Zucker as the target. That's what my gut says. Also think the cost will be reasonable