Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[Anthony5967]

Idk yet. Ive been pumping the idea of a a retained player with term. @Machinehead mentioned Nick Schmaltz which would be on the higher end. Gourde has always been a guy I like and he'd be excellent on our 3rd line. Probably need to wait another month or so to see what our options really are.

As far as rentals go, and I know its become a meme here to want reunions with ex-Rangers, but Tarasenko really interests me. He was what we needed last year before Kane upset the apple cart. A guy who can finish on chances in the slot and around the net. Plays a heavy game and just would give teams another guy to account for. He always seemed like he wanted to be here.

All in all, its not a great market for teams in need of forwards.

The market is very weak. Lindholm is the clear-cut alpha of the group. He will, no doubt, command the biggest return from any team. I am not too eager to move a 1st+Jones+prospect for Lindholm. To be honest, the return would probably be similar to the deal we gave up for Copp in 2022, and Lindholm is better by a lot. 1st+2nd+Cuylle? Yea, no. I'd much rather grab a Duclair who started his career here, and may have a chip on his shoulder because of all the teams who dealt him. Tarasenko interests me but people have to realize that the price will start with a 1st, and then you probably need double retention. So are you now brokering it by adding a third? I don't know if I am mortgaging 16 picks for a guy who hasn't scored in 11 games and is very streaky.

 

[McRanger92]

This is where I'm at. I'm not sure a Tarasenko is required here. It's also important to note that anyone they acquire will not be getting PP1 time. It's more important for me to find someone who can fit a specific system and player type. I still think finding someone with more speed and the ability to work in small spaces, even if it doesn't lead to a ton of points, is the way to go.

Piping hot take here but Speed is overrated in the playoffs. Heavy teams win. Duclair would be an ok option but I've never loved him as a player. He was solid for the Panthers in the playoffs last year but hes always seemed like an empty calorie player on bad teams to me. Wouldnt give up more than a 3rd for him.

 

[McRanger92]

The market is very weak. Lindholm is the clear-cut alpha of the group. He will, no doubt, command the biggest return from any team. I am not too eager to move a 1st+Jones+prospect for Lindholm. To be honest, the return would probably be similar to the deal we gave up for Copp in 2022, and Lindholm is better by a lot. 1st+2nd+Cuylle? Yea, no. I'd much rather grab a Duclair who started his career here, and may have a chip on his shoulder because of all the teams who dealt him. Tarasenko interests me but people have to realize that the price will start with a 1st, and then you probably need double retention. So are you now brokering it by adding a third? I don't know if I am mortgaging 16 picks for a guy who hasn't scored in 11 games and is very streaky.

I dont think Tarasenko will cost a 1st. Blues only got a first last year for him because Mikkola was included. Lindholm is a Boston Bruin. Its only a matter of time because they arent winning a Cup with Pavel Zacha and Charlie Coyle as their top 6 Cs, and they are an aging win right now team thats more desperate than we would be. I would be very surprised if Lindholm isnt traded to Boston and extended like his kinsman Hampus last year.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I never bitched about that contract. I thought it was entirely fair for both sides.

No one bitched about the amount. They bitched about the length.
And that was always a fair concern.
Copp got the exact same dollar amount but 2 less years. Trocheck has been fantastic, but he’s got 5 more years. The cap going up will help especially once he moves to 3c but next year will be tight, and the following even more so.

 

[NYR Viper]

Piping hot take here but Speed is overrated in the playoffs. Heavy teams win. Duclair would be an ok option but I've never loved him as a player. He was solid for the Panthers in the playoffs last year but hes always seemed like an empty calorie player on bad teams to me. Wouldnt give up more than a 3rd for him.

I think there is room for both size and speed. Where I think speed loses in the playoffs is when the player with speed is not used to playing in traffic. I wouldn't be interested in just a player with speed, like a Duclair. What would interest me is a guy like Garland or Zucker or even Gourde. Those guys aren't huge, have tons of speed, but their normal game is playing in traffic which is what happens in all areas of the ice in the playoffs. Someone who plays a similar style of game to Trochek would be who I would key in on.

Another example is someone like Bryan Rust. Obviously not available but that's a good example.

A guy like Mathieu Joseph was brought pages ago and he would be a good example of what I would be looking for.

 

[surlysailor]

Piping hot take here but Speed is overrated in the playoffs. Heavy teams win. Duclair would be an ok option but I've never loved him as a player. He was solid for the Panthers in the playoffs last year but hes always seemed like an empty calorie player on bad teams to me. Wouldnt give up more than a 3rd for him.

I would not mind Duclair but if KK does come back this year will NYR have any cap space? I know if Chytil comes back soon they can start banking space once Brodz is brought down? As a cheaper option, I wonder about Duhaime, could be a 13/14F and fill in for injuries to let a guy like Vesey jump into the top 9. Frost would also be great but Philly wouldn't retain and I don't think nyr can afford him at the deadline. I think.Chinakhov would be the best possible deal for nyr. Prob would cost a fair amount, something like Jones/Robertson and a mid pick or mid prospect like Chemlar. I think Chinakov is the best option, can play in the top 9 and is an RFA so he can stay with the team past this season.

 

[McRanger92]

I think there is room for both size and speed. Where I think speed loses in the playoffs is when the player with speed is not used to playing in traffic. I wouldn't be interested in just a player with speed, like a Duclair. What would interest me is a guy like Garland or Zucker or even Gourde. Those guys aren't huge, have tons of speed, but their normal game is playing in traffic which is what happens in all areas of the ice in the playoffs. Someone who plays a similar style of game to Trochek would be who I would key in on.

Agreed. You can be a smaller player and play a heavy game. I think Garland would break out on this team. He plays the style Drury and Laviolette want. Zucker is a POS to play against too. Wouldnt mind him at all on the cheap.

 

[McRanger92]

I would not mind Duclair but if KK does come back this year will NYR have any cap space? I know if Chytil comes back soon they can start banking space once Brodz is brought down? As a cheaper option, I wonder about Duhaime, could be a 13/14F and fill in for injuries to let a guy like Vesey jump into the top 9. Frost would also be great but Philly wouldn't retain and I don't think nyr can afford him at the deadline. I think.Chinakhov would be the best possible deal for nyr. Prob would cost a fair amount, something like Jones/Robertson and a mid pick or mid prospect like Chemlar. I think Chinakov is the best option, can play in the top 9 and is an RFA so he can stay with the team past this season.

I think Kakko is trade bait if he comes back before the deadline. If he's not back before then I think he's back for game 1 of the playoffs and the Rangers use his 2.1 cap hit to add a guy, rental or otherwise, with retention. The other x-factor is if Drury can move Goodrow out in a bigger deal. I think theyd rather keep him because he is good on the PK but hes a stiff otherwise and obviously overpaid.

 

[Machinehead]

Idk yet. Ive been pumping the idea of a a retained player with term. @Machinehead mentioned Nick Schmaltz which would be on the higher end. Gourde has always been a guy I like and he'd be excellent on our 3rd line. Probably need to wait another month or so to see what our options really are.

As far as rentals go, and I know its become a meme here to want reunions with ex-Rangers, but Tarasenko really interests me. He was what we needed last year before Kane upset the apple cart. A guy who can finish on chances in the slot and around the net. Plays a heavy game and just would give teams another guy to account for. He always seemed like he wanted to be here.

All in all, its not a great market for teams in need of forwards.

I don't know if all the stars will align, but I was fine with Tarasenko. He contributed to our slot offense which would be even more of a strength now in Laviolette's system.

I really liked Tarasenko with Panarin and then Gallant had to Gallant.

Granted, I want no part of anyone but Lafreniere on that wing now, but you get my point.

Hell, Tarasenko on the "third" line with Cuylle and Chytil/Trocheck would intrigue me. Kreider-Zibanejad-Wheeler are fine. They're good defensively and they're finishing their chances lately. The other two lines would be fire.

 

[Zynbanejad]

Just starting to produce again after going pointless for awhile.

If you’re wondering if he should be called up now, no.

Thanks!

 

[NYRKING30]

Duclair is a RW too. No reason he would be a bad signing. Speed kills, and Duke has experience in playoffs and in last year's Cup run. He also will not cost a 1st like Tarasenko will. HOT TAKE: Drury does not have to sacrifice a 1st to upgrade RW1. They need the right fit, and Duke's shot-first mentality and speed would be a massive upgrade to Wheeler's fumbling drunk puckhandling.


Who are you feelin?

This x10

 

[Avery16]

Where do we get the cap space to add *anyone*?

 

[RangersFan1994]

Agreed. You can be a smaller player and play a heavy game. I think Garland would break out on this team. He plays the style Drury and Laviolette want. Zucker is a POS to play against too. Wouldnt mind him at all on the cheap.

I bet Zucker gets dealt back to Penguins. But seriously I would not mind Zucker. He can skate and has tenacious tendencies on the ice

 

[McRanger92]

Where do we get the cap space to add *anyone*?

Magic. Just like every cap strapped team every year. There is zero doubt the Rangers make a move or 2.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Where do we get the cap space to add *anyone*?

Well when we trade 8 for 1 in my McDavid trade we will probably still need to find a way to dump another $2 mill somewhere.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Unless Drury plans on moving out Goodrow there will be what... like ~1 million or so accrued cap space by the deadline? He'll be limited to a tiny fraction of players available around that number. I like Dom Kubalik from Ottawa at half retention, 1.25 mil. Ridly Greig is close to returning for the Sens, when Pinto returns Kubalik is likely the odd man out of that top 9. They have a deep forward group. Kubalik was part of that DeBrincat trade. He's got a 30 and 20 goal season on his resume, does a little bit of everything. Can throw big hits. He won't score at that rate because he won't see much PP time but he'd be a big upgrade on our right side.

 

[haohmaru]

No one bitched about the amount. They bitched about the length.
And that was always a fair concern.
Copp got the exact same dollar amount but 2 less years. Trocheck has been fantastic, but he’s got 5 more years. The cap going up will help especially once he moves to 3c but next year will be tight, and the following even more so.

Trocheck is better than Copp, no? His game will age well. I'm not worried about it and if the team falls off a cliff he'll be easy to move. Honestly, Chytil is going to be relegated to 3C if Trocheck's production keeps up like this.

Well when we trade 8 for 1 in my McDavid trade we will probably still need to find a way to dump another $2 mill somewhere.

And then McDavid will demand a trade from us because our team will be that much worse than where he just left - for that same reason (his team sucks).

 

[JimmyG89]

Definitely feel like we have enough guys that can fill a 4th line role if needed, but where this team would lack a replacement is for that middle of the lineup. Usually those guys have a higher cap hit and our cap situation plays us out of that (unless Kakko is out until the postseason begins).

If they want a cheaper option, and one that you have control over for a little longer would be Alex Texier. He has talent, he's scored at a 3rd line type rate in the NHL before, and a change for him might be really good. I'd throw his name in the mix with the likes of Duclair, but you have control of the player beyond this season and he has played all three forward spots.

Down two forwards and you're dipping past Brodzinski if anyone else goes down. I don't mind if Edstrom/Berard/Othmann is the winger depth at this point in the season, but one more layer before needing to use players with 0 NHL experience in a March-June NHL setting would be ideal. Belzile and Nash aren't awful either, just not what you want after the 60 game mark. At least they aren't Cardio Jake.

 

[Savant]

Where do we get the cap space to add *anyone*?

There will be space at the deadline. Might have to get other team to retain a bit, but shouldn't be too prohibitive for a rental. Team will hopefully have learned from the Kane deal last year to show a bit of restraint to not leave the team short handed, but do not think it will be an issue.

 

[AirGut]

you just know Drury is absolutely obsessed with Goodrow, if he didn't move him this past summer he isn't moving him mid-season, we're stuck with him for now until maybe next off-season. Won't be surprised if he still doesn't move him next summer either. It's one of the first players he made a move for when he was hired. One of Drury's "good ol' Hockey boys".

Duclair or Chinakhov would be a real sneaky move for us though.

Cuylle-Chytil-Duclair
Cuylle-Chytil-Chinakhov
those potential lines could be real good down the stretch, I don't think Kakko is going to come back the same player I fear. At least not for this season. Really need RW help again

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

There will be space at the deadline. Might have to get other team to retain a bit, but shouldn't be too prohibitive for a rental. Team will hopefully have learned from the Kane deal last year to show a bit of restraint to not leave the team short handed, but do not think it will be an issue.

How do you figure that?

 

[Savant]

How do you figure that?

How do I figure what?

Player contracts are prorated at the deadline, so you don't need to have room for the full cap hit on a rental. If you are getting a guy with term, yeah there needs to be room for them next year, but if you are getting a prorated cap hit you just let them walk in the summer and you are none the wiser. Deadline cap space is different to what the cap space is today.

 

[Avery16]

you just know Drury is absolutely obsessed with Goodrow, if he didn't move him this past summer he isn't moving him mid-season, we're stuck with him for now until maybe next off-season. Won't be surprised if he still doesn't move him next summer either. It's one of the first players he made a move for when he was hired. One of Drury's "good ol' Hockey boys".

I think likely it isn’t that he didn’t move Goodrow last summer so much as he couldn’t move Goodrow last summer. This is probably still the case.

 

[Avery16]

How do I figure what?

Player contracts are prorated at the deadline, so you don't need to have room for the full cap hit on a rental. If you are getting a guy with term, yeah there needs to be room for them next year, but if you are getting a prorated cap hit you just let them walk in the summer and you are none the wiser. Deadline cap space is different to what the cap space is today.

I think the last one of us here who did the math on that estimated we’d have like $87k in deadline space. Who is that getting us?

 

[kovazub94]

Maybe so but how often have the NYR had a McDavid player in their prime? Would help if McDavid asked for a trade to NY. When we traded for Beck and Messier some people at that time said we gave up too much but often the quality outlasts the quantity.

Lets say it was Chytil, Kaapo, Lindgren, Perrault and 4 first round picks (which will be late picks). A 8 for 1 deal. Id do that in a second. None of those guys will ever be a McDavid. Chytil and KK have injury risk. As does Lindy who will need a contract. Perrault is far from a lock.

McDavid-Zibs-Vinny down the middle.
Laf-CK-Bread on the wings.
Fox-Trouba-KAM on defense.
Igor in net.

That is a team that can win!

Lindros - Forsberg trade. Be careful what you wish for.