Roster Building Thread - Part VIII (2023-24 season)

[RGY]

I think its too early to speculate who will and won’t be available come late February. You look at Vancouver who got off to a good start and now they are struggling. Tampa and Carolina are hanging around but who’s to say they dont flounder? Carolina has a weird goalie situation going on. Tampa has a poor D and Vas just came back. Pittsburgh. f*** I would call up about Crosby.

So you just never know.

 

[bernmeister]

Trading Chytil will be a mistake. He is a guy with 60-70 point potential in a middle 6 C role, he’s 23 years old. The only reason you consider moving him is his injury history and that’s going to devalue him. Rather just keep him.

Trading Kakko would be a mistake. You have to be patient with these guys. They are young and finding their way. Kakko looks a little lost out there. Coach will find his role and get him comfortable. He’ll be fine I think.

That being said, the Rangers should definitely target a 3C at the deadline to bolster the lineup, only because chytil’s injury has exposed our C depth. Our W and D depth is pretty damn good though. We can maybe use an NHL caliber D to slot in above Jones for the playoffs as the 7D, and a bottom 6 C. The rest of the lineup needs no tweaks

The Rangers need to add talented youth, especially center, not trade their youth away.

These guys get it.
Idea is to add to youth if possible, not swap it out
no coke for pepsi

Kakko + Schneider?
Idk how much we gained from Fox & Chytil injuries but Kuzmenko only makes 5M, could definitely make it work

EdJo, you have lost your way... escape from the dark side, come back to the light bern illuminates

cue up scene from the Blues Brothers...
do you see the light?

 

[bernmeister]

Exceptions to every rule but rule is we should be seeking to add high end youth
sanderson
byfield

guys like that

bern's blueprint when I get time...

 

[rangersfansince08]

Exceptions to every rule but rule is we should be seeking to add high end youth
sanderson
byfield

guys like that

bern's blueprint when I get time...

lol wtf why would teams trade those players?

 

[bernmeister]

lol wtf why would teams trade those players?

didn't say it was easy
didn't say overpayment in currency that works for both could be avoided

but enuf on the table, it is a discussion

patience, when I get some time....

 

[rangersfansince08]

didn't say it was easy
didn't say overpayment in currency that works for both could be avoided

but enuf on the table, it is a discussion

patience, when I get some time....

no it isn't really a discussion because contrary to what you believe other teams are trying to win too and do something other than be a farm team for the Rangers

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If Kent Johnson is available I’m on that. JD loved Schneider. Opens up a hole at RD but that trade is basically a salary push.

No indication that he is but perhaps he’s told CBJ to go f*** themselves.

If jovo wants a Russian on this team, stay the f*** away.

 

[DanielBrassard]

If trading Kakko brings in an upgrade for this season then you do it. 1. Hes not that good in the first place 2. The Rangers actually look like they are far more legit than they have been since the cup run in 13-14. This is a team that has a real chance of winning the cup. Holding onto Kakko just because he’s young when there’s a potential opportunity to make this team better is foolish.

 

[ThePeoplesPeople]

Zucc or Tarasenko for RW

Kreider Zibs Zucc/Tarasenko
Panarin Trochek Laf
Wheeler Chytil Kakk
Goodrow/Cuylle Bonino Vesey

Lindgren Fox
Miller Trouba
Gus Schneider

Igor
Quick

 

[TominNC]

And here we go bringing guys back. My first reaction is always No. New ideas only

 

[haohmaru]

These guys get it.
Idea is to add to youth if possible, not swap it out
no coke for pepsi



EdJo, you have lost your way... escape from the dark side, come back to the light bern illuminates

cue up scene from the Blues Brothers...
do you see the light?

Youth matters not if it's on the couch watching TV constantly. I like Chytil. I feel bad for Chytil. But this is a constant issue that a playoff team is playing with fire with. At this point, I'd move him. He's always an instant away from being out a month+.

 

[Fitzy]

And here we go bringing guys back. My first reaction is always No. New ideas only

I tend to not care if a player has played here before at some point in their career.

There's no doubt whatsoever that Tarasenko would once again be a perfect fit for this team. Don't want to have to continue leaking assets though.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I don't know how realistic it is, cap-wise, but Pettersson if he becomes available.

We either take a risk and trade him for a younger prospect or package him for a long term upgrade.

Lindholm could make sense to me if he came in at a Trocheck type contract….

Ep isn't available and won't be as Vancouver is actually a playoff team. It also doesn't work capwise as he is going to get way more than Lindholm. EP probably signs for 11 millionish.

Lindholm is better than Tro and its really not close. He may not be as gritty as Tro but he will score more points. I would try to get him for 7 mill a year on a new deal. I am not even sure he signs that buy he is worth every penny.

I would put chytil in a deal for Johnson. Kid should be in the nhl but cbj has fantilli, Jenner, Sillinger and laine(still playing c?) ahead of him. Jd is familiar with chytil. No idea what the adds would be and would be a bit of a gamble for nyr to take a prospect even if I think he should be in nhl.

If Johnson isn't getting playing time why would Chytil? They play the same positions.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I would do Kakko for Zuccarello fully retained

 

[RangersFan1994]

I would do Kakko for Zuccarello fully retained

Tracking Kakko for 2 or 3 years of Zuccarello is awful. If youre gonna trade Kakko, rather trade for someone who is young or in their prime. I’d trade Kakko for someone like Cirelli in that range..

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Ignoring that Zucc just signed an extension to stay in Minnesota, he sucks in the playoffs.

There is more than enough data to support this.

How about some ideas involving guys who HAVENT PLAYED HERE BEFORE.

 

[TominNC]

I tend to not care if a player has played here before at some point in their career.

There's no doubt whatsoever that Tarasenko would once again be a perfect fit for this team. Don't want to have to continue leaking assets though.

I tire of fans constantly calling for former players to be brought back. For one, they are older than the older we had. Two, fans memories tend to be pro or con based on their recollections and not always by fact. Three, it gets more tiresome when they beat us over the head with the same old names. It’s almost always a bad idea.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Tarasenko was not a perfect fit here last year and would not be one this year.

Loved the attitude and he can score goals but hes a one dimensional scorer who was horrible with Kreider and Zibanejad.

If they’re going to add a pure offense player they really need to be a needle mover. I don’t think that guy will be available at the deadline.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't think we necessarily need a pure scorer.

I would like to get a speedy, giddy-up type player to play with Kreider and Zibanejad and move Wheeler back down to the 3rd line where I thought he was fine.

I'm also not convinced RW is the spot to upgrade, as much as Kakko is just a warm body at this point.

If we're serious about winning this year, we probably need a center. We don't know when Chytil is coming back and I don't trust him if he does.

Maybe get a center that can also play wing, and then if Chytil comes back, that's your RW'er.

Also, our second pair sucks. I'm not interested in arguing about Miller or Trouba as individuals, but as a pair, they blow. I don't think that needs to be an acquisition thing, necessarily, but we should re-jigger the pairs when Fox comes back.

 

[Machinehead]

Tarasenko was fine, and I think you have to take the line combos into account.

Right after we acquired Tarasenko, 10-93-91 and 20-16-26 were really rolling. We had one bad period and Gallant swapped centers, both lines got significantly worse, and Gallant decided he absolutely loved playing worse.

Then we replaced Vesey with Kane and that line got even worse.

That being said, I don't think adding a pure scorer is the answer. We're finally playing to our strengths which is defense and forechecking. We should be looking to add forwards who further emphasize those strengths. As far as having a gamebreaking forward who operates outside of the system at times, that's what Panarin is making 11.6 for.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Miller-Fox should have been a thing last year.

Lindgren-Trouba should work in theory but I have my doubts. Lindgren has been really, really rough this year. I get his value to the room and he’s more than capable of picking it up but that’s a spot where we could clearly use an upgrade.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I think a lot of you are severely overreacting to a rough stretch of 19 games for Kakko. It’s been disappointing compared to where he was last year, but it’s also been mixed with some horrible on-ice shooting luck and then poor compatibility with linemates.

The Bonino signing was great for many reasons, but the guy really isn’t meant to be the 3C. There’s been plenty of plays where he’s had the chance to get the puck to Kakko in the slot, and he’s opted to take the puck deep below the goal line. Kakko needs to do more himself too, but the fit between those two is terrible.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I don't think we necessarily need a pure scorer.

I would like to get a speedy, giddy-up type player to play with Kreider and Zibanejad and move Wheeler back down to the 3rd line where I thought he was fine.

I'm also not convinced RW is the spot to upgrade, as much as Kakko is just a warm body at this point.

If we're serious about winning this year, we probably need a center. We don't know when Chytil is coming back and I don't trust him if he does.

Maybe get a center that can also play wing, and then if Chytil comes back, that's your RW'er.

Also, our second pair sucks. I'm not interested in arguing about Miller or Trouba as individuals, but as a pair, they blow. I don't think that needs to be an acquisition thing, necessarily, but we should re-jigger the pairs when Fox comes back.

79-23
56-8
55-4

 

[Machinehead]

Miller-Fox should have been a thing last year.

Lindgren-Trouba should work in theory but I have my doubts. Lindgren has been really, really rough this year. I get his value to the room and he’s more than capable of picking it up but that’s a spot where we could clearly use an upgrade.

Lindgren makes things difficult.

He's sort of normalizing into a Lindgren year. His defensive analytics have really picked up and I produce more offense sitting on my couch.

That means that the only RH defenseman he can be with that doesn't make me nervous is Fox, assuming Gustafsson moves back to the left. That means the other pairs kind of are what we're stuck with. Flexibility is extremely limited.

I see the argument with Lindgren that he creates a relatively cheap partner for Fox that ends up being an all-world pair, but he's also locked into Fox.

I'd be willing to try it, though. Miller-Trouba is horrible as it is so there isn't anything to lose.

 

[Machinehead]

55-4

They would need Amazon Prime to move the puck.