Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part VII: Return of Beaver Brad

[Gardner McKay]

Competition is competition, now or later. Whatever. Beating a dead horse at this point. Go on with the wistful longing for a guy that will turn 25 this season who has never made an impact or been able to stick in any capacity. And keep bringing up Jagr and Lindberg who are irrelevant to the discussion about Jensen. Whatever. I'm finished on my end.

Here is the thing 2k2... if they don't beat a dead horse about things that will never happen, how will they complain each year if things don't go 100% perfect?

You have been around long enough. It is the same thing every season. Some how Jensen will finally turn it around. An old Jagr is the solution to our problems (not that we have a ton of them).

 

[nyr2k2]

Here is the thing 2k2... if they don't beat a dead horse about things that will never happen, how will they complain each year if things don't go 100% perfect?

You have been around long enough. It is the same thing every season. Some how Jensen will finally turn it around. An old Jagr is the solution to our problems (not that we have a ton of them).

Yeah you're right, I don't know why I even get into it.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Yeah you're right, I don't know why I even get into it.

I personally think we are going to be just fine this year and I think one particular player (Hayes) will surprise everyone.

 

[Fitzy]

You either retire a hero, or play long enough to see yourself become the villain.

 

[BBKers]

You either retire a hero, or play long enough to see yourself become the villain.

That sounds like WWF stuff to me...

 

[NickyFotiu]

Very easy to replace. Everyone here is overrating Lindberg when they say he'll be hard to replace

Personally,
I have no issue with Puempel-Desharnais-Fast (once he's back).

Oscar went from half the board saying to bench him in Dec/Jan/Feb to very hard to replace since May.

 

[RGY]

Everyone has said he's asking for upwards of 2 mil. Not going to do a Vanek. The KHL will offer more, and that's why he waits. He won't cave at the last second and take league minimum when he can make millions in the KHL, so get your head out of the clouds

We can afford Jagr and that is the bottom line.

The KHL can offer all they want. He clearly doesnt want to play there otherwise he would be over there already. He had made a comment recently how he would have had more NHL career points had he never left for the KHL.

No one said League Minnimum. People talk about a fair deal.

Head in the clouds. Pls.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Lol wants to get McIlrath to 'stick it to AV'

The guy went to 2 other teams last year, one of them a bottom 5 club and couldn't get pro minutes.

And sure, trade two guys we just signed because why not? Bern said so. Not illogical at all!!

Also, for your fear of NTC/NMC uou sure have no issue just tossing these guys anywhere you please. Why would Staal waive to DET?

I can not say where or when but if the team benches Staal I do think he will be much more inclined to waive his clause. When I heard AV's comments I wondered if they were a "shot across the bow" as well as a challenge.

 

[Avery16]

We can afford Jagr and that is the bottom line.

I disagree, and I think its clear that we cannot. Also, he solves nothing for us. this is 2017, not 2007. There is a real question as to whether Jagr would help or hinder dramatically faster players like Miller, Hayes, Buchnevich, Kreider, MZA. Practically our entire F roster is dramatically faster than Jagr is now. I suspect that, and his ask amount, are the two reasons why he hasn't been signed by us, or any other team.

 

[bernmeister]

Jensen and Etem are no different. Yet, Etem is considered a bust and Jensen is our 4th line savior.

bern, why do we need McIlrath? We have enough AHL D-men

fair question.

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We don't NEED McIlrath.
He is more useful to us than Tambellini, since McIl can at least be emergency enforcer.
He is there for tweaking cap in the prop deal.
Could have kept McIl + Tambo out and simplified, but this is just that much mo appealing to DRW.
Plus, it sends a message to AV.

If Nieves isn't ready for a cup of coffee yet, he might never be

IMO Nieves is ready and will be fine starting as 4C.
It is fair to have concern about him getting thru whole season w/o new/old concussion issues.

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Lol wants to get McIlrath to 'stick it to AV'

I would not go out of my way for such a trade, or do one at expense of the team. That said, as noted above, McIl at least an enforcer, worth more to us than Tambo who will no way make club.
And yes, there is stick AV factor, but he deserves it, since IMO he did not give McIlrath a fair shake when he was up here.
True, McIl's ability to earn the spot was unfortunately compromised by, if memory serves, at least 2 knee/leg injuries.
But that is irrelevant.
He was ENTITLED to have afair shake, at sq. 1, which he did not get.
Payback, AV. And we all know what those are.

The guy went to 2 other teams last year, one of them a bottom 5 club and couldn't get pro minutes.

Irrelevant, for reasons explained above and he is basically swapped out for Tambellini who will not make club AND IS TOTALLY USELESS TO US.

And sure, trade two guys we just signed because why not?

Factually true we just signed.
What you conveniently omit is the 2 are DD and Pavlec, who both suck, and are lucky to have NHL gig.
So if it serves our purpose, esp to help move Staal, why shouldn't we go there?
Oh yeah, there is no good reason why not.

Bern said so. Not illogical at all!!

Irrelevant.
Something is not right or wrong b'c bern or any other poster said so, but b'c on its merits.
no logic = your comment

Also, for your fear of NTC/NMC uou sure have no issue just tossing these guys anywhere you please. Why would Staal waive to DET?

Staal can certainly control everything TODAY
however, he will soon enough have his NMC converted into limited NTC
Also, he does not have slot, being behind, at present,
McD
Skjei
Smith
Beargloves
Graves

however, if he goes to DRW, which has difficult def situation, if he accepts 3rd line mins w/a fast RD partner, he could hang on for a couple of seasons and not be bought out.

Also, hockeytown is not bad place to go, and while it is away from cozy CT digs, I think somebody -- RB? -- has previously figured out this is closest to where he grew up - some family.

Yeah, because it's all AVs fault McIlrath was sent to the AHL after clearing waivers for 3 different teams

"all" is irrelevant
McIl did not get fair shake
his inability to stick not helped by injuries
that's not AV's fault, but he was clearly part of the problem, not the solution, IMO.
and fairness is a virtue to be rewarded, the opposite penalized
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[Fitzy]

12 goals in 8 KHL games for Nigel Dawes. THATS the old retread I wanna bring back here.

I'm concerned Jagr would become a distraction if he wasnt getting the ice time he wanted. He'd be a better fit in a cycle system. AV just said the teams whole identity is the transition game.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The legend of Nick Jensen

 

[TheTakedown]

Yeah, sure. It has absolutely nothing to do with Pageau scoring 4 goals in a single game. Or Karlsson scoring from behind the goal-line from an impossible angle.

It's only because of Holden and Staal in the final minute

I mean the Pageau problem you can thank Dan Girardi for some of that too.

Also the top lines on NYR not scoring were also a problem

 

[Avery16]

The legend of Nick Jensen

When were giving the likes of Desjardins and Farnham PTOs, its not so extraordinary to think that last year's leading scorer for Hartford, whose rights we retain, could chip in on the 4th line

 

[TheTakedown]

To be fair, Dolan and Sather have never really concerned themselves with burying money. Staal's cap hit drops by over a million if he goes to the AHL.

Couple of notes:
If Staal goes to the AHL this year, they save $1.05m on the cap.
Next year this number will go up.
They may be waiting for the next lockout as they may foresee a compliance buyout coming in which case 2 years of some dead cap may be better than 6-8

I believe Staal wouldn't be able to go to the AHL without him waiving his NMC... then again they could just tell him if you don't waive we're not playing you so take your pick.

 

[Mac n Gs]

When were giving the likes of Desjardins and Farnham PTOs, its not so extraordinary to think that last year's leading scorer for Hartford, whose rights we retain, could chip in on the 4th line

Nah man, Jensen sucks, isn't better than Glass or Etem, or some stupid **** like that

 

[Avery16]

Nah man, Jensen sucks, isn't better than Glass or Etem, or some stupid **** like that

Look, trash on Jensen all you like (though I don't think its founded). The second you elevate Glass, however, your credibility is garbage.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

"all" is irrelevant
McIl did not get fair shake
his inability to stick not helped by injuries
that's not AV's fault, but he was clearly part of the problem, not the solution, IMO.
and fairness is a virtue to be rewarded, the opposite penalized

Bern just let it go, all McIlrath has proven on 3 different teams now is that he's not an NHL dman. Being an enforcer is not enough of a reason to justify a roster spot in today's league. Plus even if it was you don't want your fighter to be a dman and have to run 5 D when he gets ejected/penalized.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

When were giving the likes of Desjardins and Farnham PTOs, its not so extraordinary to think that last year's leading scorer for Hartford, whose rights we retain, could chip in on the 4th line

HArtford was the worst team in the AHL last year.

 

[Irishguy42]

McIlrath has been given a fair shake in the NHL. I think the Rangers gave him more of a fair shake than any other team, tbh.

 

[Hire Sather]

Tarasenko gave him a fair shake as well

 

[TheTakedown]

Mostly concur, rare disagree w GMJG.
Should have bought out Staal, and with G losing his NMC into partial NTC, then dealt him for a conditional 7th.


There is no hockey trade to be made here.
There may be a $ deal.

Detroit seems cooly detached bordering ambivalent about its cap situation, esp since they can throw Franzen on LTIR. But that not withstanding, they are still 3 and hair over the cap.

RD Green 6.0 expiring
G Howard 5.2 expires next season
RD McIlrath 600k + change
total 11.8+

LD Staal 5.7 x 4 but buyout candidate next yr
G Pavlec 1.3 expiring
F DeSharnais 1.0 expiring
F Tambellini, elc close to 800k
total 8.8

net gain to Wing = 3.0
that's their $ for AA
Tambo has outside 20% chance to make 4th line
DD conceivably movable

Rangers upgrade backup G this year + next, unless they move Howard next yr for younger guy who pushes him
Green moved as a rental when injury surfaces, recover cap
and McIl back is available enforcer at the A, plus, sticks it to AV.

don't get why hasn't happened yet, or may not at all

Aside from the fact that the Rangers would probably not trade guys that they just signed, this isn't actually a terrible proposal. Gotta give it to you bern.

That Howard buyout isn't terrible either.. $2.45M in 2018-19 and $1.41M on 2019-20.

Still not sure what Detroit is trying to do though. They have enough bad contracts, I don't think Staal helps that situation

 

[Mac n Gs]

Look, trash on Jensen all you like (though I don't think its founded). The second you elevate Glass, however, your credibility is garbage.

FYI, I was the one defending Jensen a few days ago

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Not exactly sure why we dumped imperfect yet useful guys like Hrivik, Jensen, and Pirri and now find ourselves needing a 4th liner or 2.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Yeah, because it's all AVs fault McIlrath was sent to the AHL after clearing waivers for 3 different teams

I may have been Dylan's biggest fan but the AV wont play younger guys stuff that Bern (and others) push is nonsense. How many former Ranger young players have gone on to do great things after they left AV? I will wait for you to count them all up.