Roster Building Thread: Part VII (2023-24)

[RGY]

Because staple is wrong more often than the weatherman in the 80s

I guess we will find out

 

[Leonardo87]

The organization has never entrusted Chytil to be the 2C. It's why Trocheck exists after Strome left, when they could have saved some money and cap space. I don't think the Rangers will ever put their trust in Fil.

Spare me a Kane re-signing. I've already learned my lesson to trust after all the hype of the first time, with the teaser video of his nameplate being sewn on and the verbal fellatio that The Legend is coming.

Still see Kane jerseys in my local sporting goods store. I think they are like 30% off now.

 

[RGY]

The organization has never entrusted Chytil to be the 2C. It's why Trocheck exists after Strome left, when they could have saved some money and cap space. I don't think the Rangers will ever put their trust in Fil.

Spare me a Kane re-signing. I've already learned my lesson to trust after all the hype of the first time, with the teaser video of his nameplate being sewn on and the verbal fellatio that The Legend is coming.

Kane is indeed coming. Embrace

 

[Ruggs225]

The organization has never entrusted Chytil to be the 2C. It's why Trocheck exists after Strome left, when they could have saved some money and cap space. I don't think the Rangers will ever put their trust in Fil.

Spare me a Kane re-signing. I've already learned my lesson to trust after all the hype of the first time, with the teaser video of his nameplate being sewn on and the verbal fellatio that The Legend is coming.

This organization has never trusted youth. Its why we didnt have a dynasty in the 90’s and then why we sucked for the entire late 90’s early 00’s.

Then again why we took a major atep back with the horrible nash deal that gutted the team.

We always go for vets and flashy names. Its why we have only one cup in 80 years.

We cant get out of our own way.

 

[Kords]

Because staple is wrong more often than the weatherman in the 80s

I don't disagree at all, but he did say after break up day that Kane's body language suggested he wasn't coming back so he will technically still be wrong either way at this point.

 

[17futurecap]

I don't disagree at all, but he did say after break up day that Kane's body language suggested he wasn't coming back so he will technically still be wrong either way at this point.

 

[Machinehead]

Still see Kane jerseys in my local sporting goods store. I think they are like 30% off now.

His team scores 30% of the goals when he's on the ice, so that tracks.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Kreider - Trocheck - Vesey (Match-up Line)
Laff - Zib - Wheeler (North/South line)
Panarin - Chytil - Kakko (can't think of a good nickname line
Cuylle - Bonino - Goodrow (Energy Line)

 

[Filip Chytil]

The organization has never entrusted Chytil to be the 2C. It's why Trocheck exists after Strome left, when they could have saved some money and cap space. I don't think the Rangers will ever put their trust in Fil.

Spare me a Kane re-signing. I've already learned my lesson to trust after all the hype of the first time, with the teaser video of his nameplate being sewn on and the verbal fellatio that The Legend is coming.

Why they no trust me?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Unless Kane is coming for the minimum I doubt it’s happening

Which is good. Let Stevie in Detroit give him the money burning a hole in his pocket. For a guy who’s got a bad hip

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

“Trocheck makes too much for the 3rd line”.

Well Chytil isn’t exactly a “3rd line” player either.

One has the ability to get better (Chytil has gotten better every season) due to age, developing, etc. One doesn’t.

Again if the Rangers aren’t going to entrust the kids, they should trade them and really go “win now” (no I don’t recommend this).

The point is you can’t argue Trocheck makes too much for the 3rd line when he’s only like 1M above Chytil after they signed him.

 

[RGY]

This organization has never trusted youth. Its why we didnt have a dynasty in the 90’s and then why we sucked for the entire late 90’s early 00’s.

Then again why we took a major atep back with the horrible nash deal that gutted the team.

We always go for vets and flashy names. Its why we have only one cup in 80 years.

We cant get out of our own way.

I would hardly say they took a “major step back” and “gutted the team” when they acquired Rick Nash. Putting aside the FACTS that they went to the Stanley Cup Final in 13-14 and then ECF in 14-15, which we all know should have been another SCF visit, the guys they traded were who again? They had a surplus of middle 6 average players in Dubinsky and Anisimov. Richards made at least one of those two expendable with the other being used to add a big body power forward winger in Nash to the top 6. Tim Erixon? Lol. Let’s also not forget the 3rd round pick they got back turned into Buchnevich. Its quite the reach to try to mix in the Nash trade as part of your argument on how this organization has “failed” through the decades. If anything that move landed on the positive side.

 

[Ruggs225]

I would hardly say they took a “major step back” and “gutted the team” when they acquired Rick Nash. Putting aside the FACTS that they went to the Stanley Cup Final in 13-14 and then ECF in 14-15, which we all know should have been another SCF visit, the guys they traded were who again? They had a surplus of middle 6 average players in Dubinsky and Anisimov. Richards made at least one of those two expendable with the other being used to add a big body power forward winger in Nash to the top 6. Tim Erixon? Lol. Let’s also not forget the 3rd round pick they got back turned into Buchnevich. Its quite the reach to try to mix in the Nash trade as part of your argument on how this organization has “failed” through the decades. If anything that move landed on the positive side.

They had to trade gaborik because they had no depth. In hindsight it sort of worked out, but not the way they planned it at all and caused us to trade our other big star to recoup the depth we lost.

So no that move wasnt good. The team was actually worse off until we traded our other all star.

It also caused us to lose some brashness and speed with Dubinsky which we definitely could have used in future Po’s.

Oh and in the cup run, Nash had 10 pts in 35 games. Gaborik had 22 in 26 for LA. Nash kn the season only had 39 pts in 65 games. You dont think Dubi could replicate that, let alone having Anisomov as well

Having dubinksy and Anisimov instead of Nash would definitely have made us a better team.

That Nash trade was putrid from the start.

 

[Doriva]

I would hardly say they took a “major step back” and “gutted the team” when they acquired Rick Nash. Putting aside the FACTS that they went to the Stanley Cup Final in 13-14 and then ECF in 14-15, which we all know should have been another SCF visit, the guys they traded were who again? They had a surplus of middle 6 average players in Dubinsky and Anisimov. Richards made at least one of those two expendable with the other being used to add a big body power forward winger in Nash to the top 6. Tim Erixon? Lol. Let’s also not forget the 3rd round pick they got back turned into Buchnevich. Its quite the reach to try to mix in the Nash trade as part of your argument on how this organization has “failed” through the decades. If anything that move landed on the positive side.

And we got Lindgren when we traded him to Boston.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

“Trocheck makes too much for the 3rd line”.

Well Chytil isn’t exactly a “3rd line” player either.

One has the ability to get better (Chytil has gotten better every season) due to age, developing, etc. One doesn’t.

Again if the Rangers aren’t going to entrust the kids, they should trade them and really go “win now” (no I don’t recommend this).

The point is you can’t argue Trocheck makes too much for the 3rd line when he’s only like 1M above Chytil after they signed him.

Also, that money is a sunk cost. You can't change what youre paying the player. You just need to put him in the lineup, where ever he fits. Jamming players into spots in the lineup based on dollars is a losing mentality for sure.

 

[IDvsEGO]

And we got Lindgren when we traded him to Boston.

Lindgren and miller.

 

[JCProdigy]

While everybody is talking about lines and where everybody fits, usage, etc., does anybody have any insight into how Laviolette used his lines, how much he changed them up, time distribution, etc? Specifically in Nashville/DC?

 

[TGWL]

Kreider has 88 goals in the last two years. Wheeler has 33.
Kreider is 32. Wheeler is 37.
One is great defensively and compliments Mika. One doesn't.
One still has great foot speed. One doesn't.

One is not like the other.



No. That's just f***ing terrible. No other way to put it.

But it's not 88 goals, right? It's 39 goals because nobody is taking away his powerplay time. If you break that up over 2 seasons, that's about 20 goals per season 5 on 5, do you think he can't reach 15-17 on a line with Trocheck and Wheeler? If the outcome is 3-5 less goals but a tough line to play against, leaving Mika and Panarin away from that, isn't that better?

Yes, he's 1st in goals/60 over that span, but the subtraction of goals he'll score 5 on 5, will hopefully be offset by Kakko/whoever is 1st RW popping in a few more goals, and the additional benefits Zibanejad and Panarin will receive. It probably won't happen, but I don't think it's a bad idea to try.

 

[Fitzy]

SCF 2014 NYR had Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello as a third line so IDK what the issue with putting Trocheck on 3 is.



Forgot we played Diaz over Moore this game

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I don't disagree at all, but he did say after break up day that Kane's body language suggested he wasn't coming back so he will technically still be wrong either way at this point.

Or he's right either way. Can't lose.

 

[MrAlmost]

If the line is Kreider-Tro-Wheeler people will be happy once they watch them play. It is a shutdown line, but I am willing to bet that no one will have to pretend it isn't the "3rd line". They are probably going to play the most ES minutes in a game.

 

[Machinehead]

Neither Chytil nor Trocheck make too much for the third line.

I like "middle six" better than "top six." Top six feels like a construct (I've gone against the line ordering thing over and over) and most second liners are closer to third liners than first liners purely in terms of impact.

Dollars are real. There's a clear money demarcation for top line, middle of the road players, and replacement players.

Trocheck and Chytil got the going rate for middle six players.

Salaries are beginning to contract a bit with the cap stuck and owners still crying COVID, but when they were signed, those contracts were fair value at worst.

Other than arguably Trouba, I don't think the Rangers have any terrible contracts. We're up against the cap because it hasn't risen since Rod Gilbert was on the team, not because we did anything "wrong" that a bunch of other teams wouldn't have done. Most of our guys are market value.

 

[Machinehead]

SCF 2014 NYR had Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello as a third line so IDK what the issue with putting Trocheck on 3 is.



Forgot we played Diaz over Moore this game

This was our best line. All the proof you need that the order they're listed in is meaningless.

 

[haohmaru]

But it's not 88 goals, right? It's 39 goals because nobody is taking away his powerplay time. If you break that up over 2 seasons, that's about 20 goals per season 5 on 5, do you think he can't reach 15-17 on a line with Trocheck and Wheeler? If the outcome is 3-5 less goals but a tough line to play against, leaving Mika and Panarin away from that, isn't that better?

Yes, he's 1st in goals/60 over that span, but the subtraction of goals he'll score 5 on 5, will hopefully be offset by Kakko/whoever is 1st RW popping in a few more goals, and the additional benefits Zibanejad and Panarin will receive. It probably won't happen, but I don't think it's a bad idea to try.

Not sure where you’re getting your stats from - Kreider had 47 EV goals (23 & 24) over that span to lead the team and 7 shorties. I think Kreider AND Kakko should be on Zibanejad’s line. That’s two of the Rangers best all around forwards centered by Mika.

 

[Machinehead]

Kreider could play with me at center and @Leonardo87 on RW and it would be our best line.