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Roster Building Thread: Part VII (2023-24)

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haohmaru said:
Laf's PP production is the worst in the league. That doesn't exactly scream "put your 1OA on the PP immediately!"

Who are you sitting? Panarin or Kreider? And how much pressure does that put on your already much-maligned 1OA to produce immediately because of the guys he's replace who are PROVEN PP performers?

It's a bad idea all around until the kid gets some confidence.
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Laf's power play shifts have averaged about 30 seconds and mostly started outside of the O zone. With Trouba on the backline, not Fox... I think there is ZERO, negative OR positive that can be drawn from that. Think about it: zone entry, setup and scoring in 30 seconds? How often does that happen with ANY powerplay in this league? We won't know how good or bad Laf is on the powerplay until he gets legitimate PP1 shifts or Lav goes with a PP1 PP2 setup that gets a more even split in opportunity.
 
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bhamill said:
Laf's power play shifts have averaged about 30 seconds and mostly started outside of the O zone. With Trouba on the backline, not Fox... I think there is ZERO, negative OR positive that can be drawn from that. Think about it: zone entry, setup and scoring in 30 seconds? How often does that happen with ANY powerplay in this league? We won't know how good or bad Laf is on the powerplay until he gets legitimate PP1 shifts or Lav goes with a PP1 PP2 setup that gets a more even split in opportunity.
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Anyone who’s claiming Laf isn’t good on the pp, is absolutely making up their own conclusions.
 
Again, how does it help Lafreniere's development to have him sit between the circles and watch four stars run the PP with him as a glorified diversion.
 
Fitzy said:
Again, how does it help Lafreniere's development to have him sit between the circles and watch four stars run the PP with him as a glorified diversion.
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Because that’s not how hockey works?
Even if he just sits on the pp, he’s gonna get the puck with space… because otherwise the pp would play 4x4.
 
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KirkAlbuquerque said:
find any possible way to get rid of Tuba and Panarin.


Kakko > Laf for PP1.

In the very limited action he's gotten there, he's shown to be best at controlling the puck out of anyone not named Fox or Panarin.

Trochek, Kreider, and Zib all low key suck at handling the puck on the PP, but they make up for it with finishing ability.
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TGWL said:
Getting more balanced time would probably result is changing during a whistle with the puck in the opponents zone, and Chytil losing the faceoff.

I'm all for Trocheck on PP2, but I think it's Kakko, not Laf, who should get the time on PP1. If Kakko takes the bumper, it might take a way some of open passes to Zibanejad, and I think Kakko and Panarin would constantly get in each others way for that non-bumper spot, but I'm all for the experiment here.
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
Nah. Enough already with the 4 big guys on the same PP. That completely neuters your PP2 unit.

For a short time, Gallant had a very balanced Rangers PP, where they went 10-for-27 while the PP with the one big unit was 4-for-30.

PP 1:
Zibanejad-Kreider-Lafrenière
Chytil-Fox

PP 2:
Panarin-Kakko-Trocheck
Wheeler-Miller

These units are more balanced and allows you to create favourable match-ups, especially in home-games.
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Seems like we'd all be on the same page as putting Laf on PP1 and that overall a balance is desired. I'm fine with bumping Art down even. His playoff performance and cap hit are an issue any way you slice it, but you ain't getting rid of him. Maybe disrupting his perfect norm is the right trick. Plus force more time with Kakko who should be on his opposite wing anyways.

Fitzy said:
Again, how does it help Lafreniere's development to have him sit between the circles and watch four stars run the PP with him as a glorified diversion.
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Why does this have to be the default result? Probably unlikely, but I'd push Panarin down for one like AK suggested. Two balanced PPs.

I don't see how potentially building some confidence (worst case scenario IMO) being out there with that crew, is worse than letting his legs get cold for 2 more minutes.
 
IDvsEGO said:
Because that’s not how hockey works?
Even if he just sits on the pp, he’s gonna get the puck with space… because otherwise the pp would play 4x4.
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My point isn't that the bumper needn't exist, but that the skill of a player you put there doesn't have a huge impact on the likelihood of success.

The PP% change in replacing Trocheck with Barclay Goodrow would be much less than replacing Fox with Trouba, Kreider with anyone, etc.

Throw in the fact that I don't necessarily think playing the bumper will do much to improve Laf's game at even strength, the question becomes what is the point of doing it?

Most likely scenario if you replace Trocheck with Lafreniere for the same role, the PP does about the same, Laf gets a few more points and Trocheck gets a few less, and all else is even. Throw in the fact that you then have to pay Laf more for the points when Trocheck is on a fixed salary and it becomes even more pointless.
 
bhamill said:
Cap goes way up after this season, and since he's RFA it would likely involve a trade so maybe Chytil plus would be going the other way...
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Pettersson just put up 102 points. Assuming he has a similar season this year, he's getting over 10 mil. We've already got Mika at 8.5 and Trocheck at 5.625. That's a lot of money to be spending on the center position, especially when we have Panarin making 11.6, Kreider 6.5, and other players needing raises in the next 2 years (Kakko, Lindgren, Schneider next summer, Shesty, Laf and Miller the summer after).

The cap is going up, but it isn't going up that much. Pettersson will cost at least 6 mil more than Chytil. We can make space by moving other players, but it's going to cost significantly more than Chytil to acquire him.
 
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Fitzy said:
My point isn't that the bumper needn't exist, but that the skill of a player you put there doesn't have a huge impact on the likelihood of success.

The PP% change in replacing Trocheck with Barclay Goodrow would be much less than replacing Fox with Trouba, Kreider with anyone, etc.

Throw in the fact that I don't necessarily think playing the bumper will do much to improve Laf's game at even strength, the question becomes what is the point of doing it?

Most likely scenario if you replace Trocheck with Lafreniere for the same role, the PP does about the same, Laf gets a few more points and Trocheck gets a few less, and all else is even. Throw in the fact that you then have to pay Laf more for the points when Trocheck is on a fixed salary and it becomes even more pointless.
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I agree with you in that putting laf at the bumper is a pointless role.
I think the point of moving laf onto the 1st pp is to not get him meaningless points, but to get him more ice time to figure out what is the absolute limit of what he can pull off, when given time and space, which he then would need to apply as he creates time and space at 5v5.

The problem is that the past 2 coaches have had absolutely no leash in letting kids figure that concept out, which has curbed development significantly.
I dont actually care if laf gets on the pp with mika/panarin/fox.

I want Laf/kakko to get powerplay time, in large quantities, with a defenseman not named trouba...
 
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If Colorado was able to get ample secondary scoring from Burakovsky, Nichushkin, and Compher without 1st unit PP time, Kakko Wheeler Laf and Chytil should be able to as well.

But each of those guys got 16+ minutes a game, which is the bare minimum that our secondary scoring guys should be getting. Kakko and Laf only got 15 last year and Chytil was below 15 which is a travesty.
 
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GAGLine said:
Pettersson just put up 102 points. Assuming he has a similar season this year, he's getting over 10 mil. We've already got Mika at 8.5 and Trocheck at 5.625. That's a lot of money to be spending on the center position, especially when we have Panarin making 11.6, Kreider 6.5, and other players needing raises in the next 2 years (Kakko, Lindgren, Schneider next summer, Shesty, Laf and Miller the summer after).

The cap is going up, but it isn't going up that much. Pettersson will cost at least 6 mil more than Chytil. We can make space by moving other players, but it's going to cost significantly more than Chytil to acquire him.
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Oh yeah, I wasn't suggesting it would be THAT easy. Trouba's NMC becomes a limitted no trade that season, and Trocheck becomes tradeable the season after that. Obviously Mika is not going anywhere unless he wants to. Plus cap will probably go up by 5mil each of those seasons.
I'm not saying they will or SHOULD go after him, I'm saying that it's doable if they really want to.
 
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redwhiteandblue said:
Seems like we'd all be on the same page as putting Laf on PP1 and that overall a balance is desired. I'm fine with bumping Art down even. His playoff performance and cap hit are an issue any way you slice it, but you ain't getting rid of him. Maybe disrupting his perfect norm is the right trick. Plus force more time with Kakko who should be on his opposite wing anyways.
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Yeah, to me this wouldn't be a PP1 & PP2 system though. And it wouldn't be "bumping down Panarin".

I rather call them PP blue and PP red, and based on who's on the ice when the penalty is called, you pick whichever unit is freshest.
 
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Only way Pettersson works is if Panarin is shipped out and Chytil, Laffy or Kakko go the other way.
 
mas0764 said:
Yeah.... we should absolutely be brainstorming ways to get rid of Trocheck, Trouba and Kreider and bring in Pettersson and Zegras.
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I already figured out how:

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