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Roster Building Thread: Part VII (2023-24)

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You can replace Trochek with Kakko on PP1. That's about the only thing you can do. The rest of that unit should be locked in, unless you need to send a message or something.

Laf doesn't fit that unit, and TBH he should focus on his 5v5 game for now.
 
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eco's bones said:
There were issues with Bracco a few years back and there would be issues with him now. We're not really looking for immediate center help in respect to point production. We have Mika, Filip and Trocheck for that. Before it was Mika, Strome and even Fliip was a much better option then. Without really looking at Toronto Marlies games I still had to wonder about all these Maple Leafs fans looking to dump his ass and Bracco's own level of engagement--his last year with the Marlies he ended up with 4 goals and 2 pm. Whether he's 5'8(Hockey database) or 5'11 (elite prospects) with his profile he wasn't going to be a checking center and he wasn't going to battle for and take away a 1C, 2C or 3C job. So what he could do for us besides play in Hartford I'm not really sure.

As far as Mr. Bracco's shootout goal. Plenty of guys have skills galore. Not every skill player has enough drive to be an NHL player or even adapt their games to playing roles down in the lineup. Some guys have such skillsets they turn into great big teases like our mercurial top 10 Russian draft pick of a few years ago. The guy who originally scored the first Michigan goal I don't believe played even one NHL game. It's why a term such as suck doesn't really apply to a whole host of hockey players who aren't NHL worthy. It's not like they're not talented it's just that for one reason or another whether it's personal determination or an injury etc. they're just not going to make it. That said some people's attitudes do suck and quite often there's nothing anyone can do about it.
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Bracco's a winger though
 
Bracco is the ultimate perimeter player. Extremely skilled but has the same Rob Schremp issue, great minor leaguer but not good enough to play a top 6 role in the NHL.

Also heard he has serious partying issues
 
NYR like to have a RHS in the bumper spot, presumably because it's a forehand pass to the triggerman position while facing towards the net. It's also a very simple role unless you have a PP set up for a bang-bang pass play from the side of the net to the slot (Or look for high slot deflections), which we do very rarely.

I don't think having Trocheck get 5 free assists from performing a very basic role instead of Laf or Kakko is going to make or break their development. Getting free secondary assists from existing isn't going to make you a better hockey player, just a more expensive one.

Insofar as we're already paying Trocheck full price, if it's a role pretty much anyone can do, there's no reason for another skill guy there.

Tro also scored 9 PP goals out of 22. That's not bad productivity at all.

My solution is to give the kids more shifts instead of the 4th line (shorten the bench more often.)
 
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Why does that role have to be so limited and naturally stifled to being 5 extra assists? I understand there is a star player and threat over there, but I'd want Laf or Kakko to take more creative freedom than Tro.

All in all, I'd rather have way more balanced time between units and still have one of the kids in that spot. Agree with getting more time for them in general and shortening the bench at times too.
 
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RangersFan1994 said:
With what cap space and whose ice time is he taking?
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find any possible way to get rid of Tuba and Panarin.

redwhiteandblue said:
How about sitting Trochek from PP1?

Kreider-Zbad-Laf
Panarin-Fox

Hell for that matter, I'd be fine with either him or Kakko there
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Kakko > Laf for PP1.

In the very limited action he's gotten there, he's shown to be best at controlling the puck out of anyone not named Fox or Panarin.

Trochek, Kreider, and Zib all low key suck at handling the puck on the PP, but they make up for it with finishing ability.
 
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redwhiteandblue said:
Why does that role have to be so limited and naturally stifled to being 5 extra assists? I understand there is a star player and threat over there, but I'd want Laf or Kakko to take more creative freedom than Tro.

All in all, I'd rather have way more balanced time between units and still have one of the kids in that spot. Agree with getting more time for them in general and shortening the bench at times too.
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Getting more balanced time would probably result is changing during a whistle with the puck in the opponents zone, and Chytil losing the faceoff.

I'm all for Trocheck on PP2, but I think it's Kakko, not Laf, who should get the time on PP1. If Kakko takes the bumper, it might take a way some of open passes to Zibanejad, and I think Kakko and Panarin would constantly get in each others way for that non-bumper spot, but I'm all for the experiment here.
 
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EdJovanovski said:

Friedman: - Pettersson says he’ll only re-sign if Canucks have successful season

forums.hfboards.com forums.hfboards.com

Rangers were very high on him in 2017, I think we should be all over this
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Not to turn this in a trade proposal thread, but I don't see how we make the cap work and find core/futures they want. You have to imagine one of the following Othmann/Perreault, 1st, young roster player (Laf/Chytil/Kakko), even that doesn't help us taking in a big contract for EP40 and if I'm Vancouver I'm asking for more until I run out of options on trading him.
 
KirkAlbuquerque said:
find any possible way to get rid of Tuba and Panarin.


Kakko > Laf for PP1.

In the very limited action he's gotten there, he's shown to be best at controlling the puck out of anyone not named Fox or Panarin.

Trochek, Kreider, and Zib all low key suck at handling the puck on the PP, but they make up for it with finishing ability.
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They'd have to add high picks and then add more high picks to get him. Rangers need to draft their own talent unless it's a Mika for Pettersson I doubt Rangers have the pieces to get him
 
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TominNC said:
January is an assumption too. So is the assumption that he will be healthy and good as new.
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Some hockey pundits have speculated a December return. Are they wrong on what they are hearing? But for the sake of the argument, let’s call it mid January, which is roughly 6+ months since the procedure. They said the return timeline would be 5-6 months. Fits the timeline. Midseason return gives him ample time to ramp up and get into a rhythm.

Secondly, no one is saying he will be as good as new. Good as new would be what he produced just 2 years ago which was 92 points in 78 games. Again even though that was just 2 years ago, a realistic expectation would be a 0.60-0.65 PPG pace for the remainder of the season with the main goal being in a groove as the postseason starts. That production would be extremely beneficial to this team and worthwhile having to extend the depth of the team. He would also cost us no assets in which at another deadline we are dealing draft picks to add key pieces.
 
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RGY said:
Some hockey pundits have speculated a December return. Are they wrong on what they hearing? But for the sake of the argument, let’s call it mid January, which is roughly 6+ months since the procedure. They said the return timeline would be 5-6 months. Fits the timeline. Midseason return gives him ample time to ramp up and get into a rhythm.

Secondly, no one is saying he will be as good as new. Good as new would be what he produced just 2 years ago which was 92 points in 78 games. Again even though that was just 2 years ago, a realistic expectation would be a 0.60-0.65 PPG pace for the remainder of the season with the main goal being in a groove as the postseason starts. That production would be extremely beneficial to this team and worthwhile having to extend the depth of the team. He would also cost us no assets in which at another deadline we are dealing draft picks to add key pieces.
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And then we can rearrange a PP that works because he needs his PP time. Also still not sure at his age and condition he’s what we need for playoff style hockey.
 
GENESISPuck94 said:
Or don't have your #1 overall pick still relegated to 3rd line garbage ice time.

Keep doing the same crap expecting different results.

It would be vindication for the "Laf is a bust" crowd, which unfortunately is the loudest most obnoxious bunch on these boards. Because if that's how he's used and he doesn't score 80 points from the 3rd line with no PP1 time, they can puff their chest.
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I hear ya, and I agree, but until that happens.
 
redwhiteandblue said:
How about sitting Trochek from PP1?

Kreider-Zbad-Laf
Panarin-Fox

Hell for that matter, I'd be fine with either him or Kakko there
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Nah. Enough already with the 4 big guys on the same PP. That completely neuters your PP2 unit.

For a short time, Gallant had a very balanced Rangers PP, where they went 10-for-27 while the PP with the one big unit was 4-for-30.

PP 1:
Zibanejad-Kreider-Lafrenière
Chytil-Fox

PP 2:
Panarin-Kakko-Trocheck
Wheeler-Miller

These units are more balanced and allows you to create favourable match-ups, especially in home-games.
 
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Getting more balanced time would probably result is changing during a whistle with the puck in the opponents zone, and Chytil losing the faceoff.
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They could balance it by alternating starts between PP1 and PP2. Chytil doesn't need to be the one taking faceoffs. One of Zib or Trocheck would be on the PP with him. Or maybe this will be the year where Chytil actually improves at it.
 
LOFIN said:
Would've been, if we hadn't handcuffed ourselves with NMCs and and other stuff. I'm not saying it's doable because it's not.
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Ok so we would need a Time Machine.

Got it - no use crying over spilled milk
 
What do you guys think are our likely lines?

Kreider-mika-kakko
Panarin-trocheck-laff
Vesey-chytil-wheeler
Goodrow-bonino-pitlick


Lindgren-fox
Kandre-trouba
Gus-schneider
Jones

Pp1
Kreider
Mika-laff-panarin
Fox
?
 
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