Roster Building Thread: Part VII (2023-24)

[NYR Viper]

Stop with Motte. He’s not worth to amount of time spent typing his name

I would disagree a bit here. Motte fits what Drury and his team appear to be looking for out of their depth forwards in that he is normally a positive player in terms of takeaways versus giveaways. He's also an exceptional PKer

 

[GAGLine]

We're starting to see movement on the final RFAs. Veleno yesterday and it looks like Bouchard will sign today. Still waiting on Frost and Pinto though, as they are the best comparables for Laf. As soon as one of the three signs, the others shouldn't be too far behind.

 

[NYR Viper]

I realize the Motte horse has been beaten to death but if someone was to tell me that the Rangers 4th line was:

Motte-Bonino-Goodrow

I would sign up for that. With Pitlick being the 13th forward/1st AHL call-up. I do think that the combination of Motte's speed and tenacity on the forecheck along with the more positional awareness of Bonino and Goodrow could make for a very effective 4th line.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I realize the Motte horse has been beaten to death but if someone was to tell me that the Rangers 4th line was:

Motte-Bonino-Goodrow

I would sign up for that. With Pitlick being the 13th forward/1st AHL call-up. I do think that the combination of Motte's speed and tenacity on the forecheck along with the more positional awareness of Bonino and Goodrow could make for a very effective 4th line.

The obsession with a 4th liner is ridiculous. Rsther have Edstrom, Trivigno, Cuylle or a young bottom line prospect kid start on the 4th line. Find the next Brian Boyle or Dom Moore. Enough of overpaying vets for the 4th line

Stop with Motte. He’s not worth to amount of time spent typing his name

I agree. Overrated and rather have Cuylle, Edstrom, Trivigno or someone younger get that spot

 

[SA16]

The obsession with a 4th liner is ridiculous. Rsther have Edstrom, Trivigno, Cuylle or a young bottom line prospect kid start on the 4th line. Find the next Brian Boyle or Dom Moore. Enough of overpaying vets for the 4th line


I agree. Overrated and rather have Cuylle, Edstrom, Trivigno or someone younger get that spot

How can you overpay someone who is likely to get a 1 year deal for under 1M?

 

[Raspewtin]

I realize the Motte horse has been beaten to death but if someone was to tell me that the Rangers 4th line was:

Motte-Bonino-Goodrow

I would sign up for that. With Pitlick being the 13th forward/1st AHL call-up. I do think that the combination of Motte's speed and tenacity on the forecheck along with the more positional awareness of Bonino and Goodrow could make for a very effective 4th line.

We had a better version of that 4th line with Vesey on it and the Devils were on a 5 v 5 powerplay with them on the ice.

 

[TominNC]

The obsession with a 4th liner is ridiculous. Rsther have Edstrom, Trivigno, Cuylle or a young bottom line prospect kid start on the 4th line. Find the next Brian Boyle or Dom Moore. Enough of overpaying vets for the 4th line


I agree. Overrated and rather have Cuylle, Edstrom, Trivigno or someone younger get that spot

Start the year with the guys they signed, then call up young players as we grow tired of the older guys.

Motte is just meh. We've seen him twice. It's not like he ever did anything to deserve the obsession with him.

 

[Fitzy]

I mean if I was coach the 4th line on this team wouldn't see much more than 7-8 minutes a game at even strength. It's not going to be a strength for us no matter what this year unless a guy like Edstrom comes in and changes the whole complexion of the group.

Give Chytil, Kakko, Laf more shifts at even strength, they can handle it.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I don't think people understand how a $4m cap hit will age when the cap starts increasing substantially. $4m per season, by the time year 3-4 rolls around is going to be a like a $3m deal today. By the time the contract is done, it's going to be closer to $2.25m today. I'd give him 8 years if he took $4m or less. No question.

At 4m AAV, I am more than happy to see him sign a 7-year deal.

 

[RangersFan1994]

How can you overpay someone who is likely to get a 1 year deal for under 1M?

He should make minimum cause he is not thst good. Brings speed and hustles . So did Julien Gauthier at times big deal

 

[leetch99]

Simmonds I can see with his connection to Laviolette as well as Watson. Two best options

I watched a few Sen games late in the year...I would sooner be playing Cuylee or Othmann as a longshot then Watson....he looks cooked .

 

[leetch99]

This is a very good point that he has figured something out.

Tomas Holmstrom, John LeClair, and Adam Graves had their backs reduced to mush after their playing careers in front of the net.

He is not standing behind the goalies like those guys were . He avoids much of the contact which is great for him . No penalties . He could inflict more damage on the Dmen....but he does not...happy as he is.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I watched a few Sen games late in the year...I would sooner be playing Cuylee or Othmann as a longshot then Watson....he looks cooked .

I rather have Othmann and Cuylle make it. Watson cooked at 31. He scored 9 goals last year. He would not be the worst option and adds someone that has some snarl that can take a regular shift.

 

[duhmetreE]

This is such a BS excuse, I'm sorry. And fun fact, Kreider has NEVER been suspended. He has just become a less physical player because that's how he wants to play. It's a real shame because he should be bowling players all over the ice if he wanted to.

I don’t think it’s far fetched, he’s just trying you stay healthy.

He also is a meek guy.

No one points a finger at Zibs but he’s way too soft. It still stands out to me how he abandons teammates in scrums. He also lost that physical aspect to his game.

The hope is a harder coach gets more from them

 

[IDvsEGO]

I don’t think it’s far fetched, he’s just trying you stay healthy.

He also is a meek guy.

No one points a finger at Zibs but he’s way too soft. It still stands out to me how he abandons teammates in scrums. He also lost that physical aspect to his game.

The hope is a harder coach gets more from them

Great he’s way too soft. I guess we should move him for a 5th rd pick and trade a first and Perrault for Ryan reaves.

Hughes is soft as charmin and I’d take him and that contract all day every day. Mcdavid doesn’t have an edge and none of us would blink at adding him at Mika’s cap hit.
There’s like 3 centers in the league who are truly physical while also Putting up 80+ points.
You can win a cup without one of them as your 1c.

 

[leetch99]

I don’t think it’s far fetched, he’s just trying you stay healthy.

He also is a meek guy.

No one points a finger at Zibs but he’s way too soft. It still stands out to me how he abandons teammates in scrums. He also lost that physical aspect to his game.

The hope is a harder coach gets more from them

In reality that is the kind of stuff you want the players to bring forward and deal with . Anybody who has ever laced them up in a checking game knows that you gotta have each other's backs at all time.....all for one and one for all . Watch the Bruins .....those guys know . It is a foreign concept with the Rangers and I don't need to name names...but when you are big and strong YOU HAVE to jump and throw a couple more often then they currently do . If they had of played that way against the Devils.....we would have beaten them . Our whole club needs Cuylee and Othmann to get here as quickly as possible .

 

[NYR Viper]

We had a better version of that 4th line with Vesey on it and the Devils were on a 5 v 5 powerplay with them on the ice.

I REALLY think that part of the reason our depth players looked so horrific, no matter who was on that line, was the lack of any semblance of gameplan. The higher skilled players could make it up as they went. The lower line players is where we really saw the lack of coordination. I think that gets remedied with Laviolette

 

[duhmetreE]

Great he’s way too soft. I guess we should move him for a 5th rd pick and trade a first and Perrault for Ryan reaves.

Hughes is soft as charmin and I’d take him and that contract all day every day. Mcdavid doesn’t have an edge and none of us would blink at adding him at Mika’s cap hit.
There’s like 3 centers in the league who are truly physical while also Putting up 80+ points.
You can win a cup without one of them as your 1c.

Great argument

By great I mean nonsensical.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

How am I just finding out that Panarin was named 2nd Team NHL All Star this past season?

 

[NYR Viper]

How am I just finding out that Panarin was named 2nd Team NHL All Star this past season?

Doesn't fit the narrative

 

[IDvsEGO]

Great argument

By great I mean nonsensical.

As is the argument that zib is too soft.
Ok so what. He’s still the best 1c we’ve had since messier.
I’m simply pointing out how inane this argument is.

We went from “we won’t ever win a cup without a 1c” a couple years ago before zib broke out.
To : zib is a 1c but he’s not quite what I had in mind so let me whine about him.

 

[Fitzy]

How am I just finding out that Panarin was named 2nd Team NHL All Star this past season?

Only idiots have an issue with his regular seasons.

It's the 'when' that I take issue with- the when being when we are in the playoffs or playing from behind.

I don't have the data in front of me, but my perception is always that P gets a lot of his production when the game is already well in hand.

The idiots want a Scott-gomez aberration season where he scored way more goals than usual to have been the new normal, somehow. 19-20 was a career year for both Artiemi and Mika, as I turned out.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Only idiots have an issue with his regular seasons.

It's the 'when' that I take issue with- the when being when we are in the playoffs or playing from behind.

I don't have the data in front of me, but my perception is always that P gets a lot of his production when the game is already well in hand.

The idiots want a Scott-gomez aberration season where he scored way more goals than usual to have been the new normal, somehow. 19-20 was a career year for both Artiemi and Mika, as I turned out.

Yeah but he didn’t have THAT good of a season, 92 points in 2023 isn’t what it used to be. Was there only one RW better than him last season?

He was a far cry from 2020 Panarin. Zib scored only one fewer point but scored way more goals and was a way better 2 way player. I know the competition for centers is much higher but… dang.

In regards to the “when”, that is the same feeling I have about our power play. People say it’s fine because we finished top 10 but for most of the season we were hovering around 15th in the league and the PP was (or seemed) exceptionally un-clutch, juicing their numbers late in the season in garbage time.

And don’t get me started on Zib.

Finishing with 39 goals was disgraceful. I was banned for the spring so I couldn’t submit my manifesto about that but I was so furious with him.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

We have the team we're starting with, imo, doubt we see any more signings and I'm hopeful thats the case, save your cap space for the deadline.

Season opening lines for me. Balanced across the board, have a pure shut down line that can score as a 3rd line, give Zib a break from the heavy matchups.
Lafreniere Zib Wheeler
Panarin Chytil Kakko
Kreider Trochek Goodrow/Vesey
Vesey/Goodrow¹ Bonino Cullye

Miller Trouba
Lindgren Fox
Gustafson Schneider.

 

[NYR Viper]

We have the team we're starting with, imo, doubt we see any more signings and I'm hopeful thats the case, save your cap space for the deadline.

Season opening lines for me. Balanced across the board, have a pure shut down line that can score as a 3rd line, give Zib a break from the heavy matchups.
Lafreniere Zib Wheeler
Panarin Chytil Kakko
Kreider Trochek Goodrow/Vesey
Vesey/Goodrow¹ Bonino Cullye

Miller Trouba
Lindgren Fox
Gustafson Schneider.

Please, PLEASE do not play Kaako with Panarin. Oil and water.

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Wheeler
Panarin-Chytil-Vesey
Kreider-Trochek-Kaako
Goodrow-Bonino-Pitlick

I think this is the season starting forward group. MAYBE someone like Cuylle pushes Goodrow to the right side and outplays Pitlick but he was a decently useful player in St Louis last year.