Roster Building Thread: Part VII (2023-24)

[NYR Viper]

I agree, the very short time they were together was the best i saw Lafreniere move.

The duo's should be:

Panarin-Chytil-______
Lafreniere-Zibenajd-_______
Kreider-Trochek-Kaako (yes I realize this is a trio)

Wheeler, Vesey, Goodrow, Othmann are in battle for the other 2 spots

 

[Ruggs225]

The duo's should be:

Panarin-Chytil-______
Lafreniere-Zibenajd-_______
Kreider-Trochek-Kaako (yes I realize this is a trio)

Wheeler, Vesey, Goodrow, Othmann are in battle for the other 2 spots

Whil i like these lines. I just feel like Kakko is being wasted on third line. Kid needs big minutes especially at ES since we all know how PP time gets distributed.

 

[Leonardo87]

Whil i like these lines. I just feel like Kakko is being wasted on third line. Kid needs big minutes especially at ES since we all know how PP time gets distributed.

I want to see..

Kreider - Mika - Kakko

Laf can stay on the 3rd line till he plays better.

 

[Bruner4329]

This is a big thing. Kreider is money on the PP… on 5v5 is where i always had issues with him.

He is best deployed on a teams third line with first PP time. His unreal 52 goal season was 50% on the PP. he is best in the league front of net.

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So just so you are aware 2 years ago 50% of his 52 goals were on the PP. Last year only 8 of his goals were on the PP. Career wise about 33% of his goals are on the PP which means majority are on 5x5. Point is the guy also produces at 5x5 and at a greater rate than almost everyone else on the team. In fact if everyone else on the team produced at even strength close to what he does then this team would have been a lot better off. Really believe your are picking at straws hers.

 

[LOFIN]

Whil i like these lines. I just feel like Kakko is being wasted on third line. Kid needs big minutes especially at ES since we all know how PP time gets distributed.

If the lines were constructed that way, I'd bet they would see pretty even ES time.

What I would really like for Kakko is for him to replace Trocheck on the PP. But I doubt that's happening unless the PP gets really cold. I'd hope Laviolette would be willing to mix up the units at that point unlike the previous coaches.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Whil i like these lines. I just feel like Kakko is being wasted on third line. Kid needs big minutes especially at ES since we all know how PP time gets distributed.

He would not be wasted on that line as it would probably be our best line and they would eat everyone alive.

 

[NYR Viper]

If the lines were constructed that way, I'd bet they would see pretty even ES time.

What I would really like for Kakko is for him to replace Trocheck on the PP. But I doubt that's happening unless the PP gets really cold. I'd hope Laviolette would be willing to mix up the units at that point unlike the previous coaches.

This is exactly my thoughts. Even strength time would be split evenly between those 3 lines.

PK would be:
Kreider-Zibanejad
Kaako-Trochek
Goodrow-Bonino
Vesey

PP:

Kreider
Panarin -----------Zibanejad
Lafreniere
Fox

Wheeler
Chytil--------------Kaako
Trochek
Gustafsson/Jones​

 

[Fitzy]

I still think Chytil, one of our best skaters, should be used on the PK along with someone who can take faceoffs. He needs more TOI, that's one way to get it.

There are games where Chytil should be playing significantly more than Trocheck, depending on the ebb and flow of how each player is doing.

Stretching Chytil's minutes would also help us reduce our dependence on what is frankly going to be a very weak 4th line.

 

[will1066]

I was just going to mention that.

Part of me wants to see Kakko with Mika and Panarin to see him explode offensively, but I feel like if he was on the right of Trocheck and Kreider that would be a more effective line 5 on 5 and within the system they will be playing.

They would be a force in all zones.


I will be waiting for the PM invite

He has invited: GoAwayPanarin, TominNC, and Drunk Uncle

 

[Leonardo87]

!!!!!!!!!

Did you save me a ticket? Lol

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

He has invited: GoAwayPanarin, TominNC, and Drunk Uncle

f*** him then

lol

 

[TGWL]

Whil i like these lines. I just feel like Kakko is being wasted on third line. Kid needs big minutes especially at ES since we all know how PP time gets distributed.

If that line is intended to be the shutdown line, or hard to play against line, he will get big minutes. You can argue production, but I think he'll get plenty of playing time in that role, potentially even the PK.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

This is exactly my thoughts. Even strength time would be split evenly between those 3 lines.

PK would be:
Kreider-Zibanejad
Kaako-Trochek
Goodrow-Bonino
Vesey

PP:

Kreider
Panarin -----------Zibanejad
Lafreniere
Fox

Wheeler
Chytil--------------Kaako
Trochek
Gustafsson/Jones​

I like, but you gotta have Mika in the blast zone.

Besides Ovy theres no one else better in that spot as a RHS.

 

[NYR Viper]

I like, but you gotta have Mika in the blast zone.

Besides Ovy theres no one else better in that spot as a RHS.

Good point on that one, switch Zibanejad and Panarin

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Good point on that one, switch Zibanejad and Panarin

We all marvel about Kreiders PPG line and ability (as we should), but as I posted recently:

Mika is only 3 goals behind him in the all-time Rangers PPG register and thats in 247 less games!

 

[NYR Viper]

We all marvel about Kreiders PPG line and ability (as we should), but as I posted recently, Mika is only 3 goals behind him in the all-time Rangers PPG register and thats in 247 less games

Mika is a pretty underrated superstar which is odd because he plays in NY

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Mika is a pretty underrated superstar which is odd because he plays in NY

It is. And hes marketable. That hair!

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He has invited: GoAwayPanarin, TominNC, and Drunk Uncle

I’d pay for drunk uncles ticket

 

[haohmaru]

Name the Rangers 1st round pick (Forward) that will have had a better RANGERS career than Chris Kreider will when it's all over.

I'll wait.

 

[Machinehead]

without sacrifing much offense

I legitimately don't know how to respond to this point.

No? Wrong? I guess I'll start there?

Lafreniere, Cuylle, and Otthman's combined career production doesn't equal what Panarin averages in a single season with the Rangers.

I'm sorry but that might be the most incorrect thing I've read on HF.

 

[Machinehead]

Name the Rangers 1st round pick (Forward) that will have had a better RANGERS career than Chris Kreider will when it's all over.

I'll wait.

We don't even need to wait for when it's all over. He's the best draft pick (period) we've ever made that's not a goalie or a defenseman.

God bless Chris Kreider, but that also seems bad.

 

[haohmaru]

So just so you are aware 2 years ago 50% of his 52 goals were on the PP. Last year only 8 of his goals were on the PP. Career wise about 33% of his goals are on the PP which means majority are on 5x5. Point is the guy also produces at 5x5 and at a greater rate than almost everyone else on the team. In fact if everyone else on the team produced at even strength close to what he does then this team would have been a lot better off. Really believe your are picking at straws hers.

Kreider is arguably our best 5v5 forward and probably is.

We don't even need to wait for when it's all over. He's the best draft pick (period) we've ever made that's not a goalie or a defenseman.

God bless Chris Kreider, but that also seems bad.

It's brutal, but it's true (talking about Rangers careers here - there are forwards we've drafted that are better - Kovalev, Weight, Middleton, Amonte, etc...)

 

[RangersFan1994]

We don't even need to wait for when it's all over. He's the best draft pick (period) we've ever made that's not a goalie or a defenseman.

God bless Chris Kreider, but that also seems bad.

And yet some fans wanted a player traded that is known for showing up in the playoffs like Kreider has been known for this since he made his debut in the playoffs. I hope Othmann has that game in him, showing up when it counts

 

[Machinehead]

If you insist upon Kakko getting a look on PP1 over Trocheck, then sure. There's an argument to be made about how a lefty fits into our current best setup, but I don't hate the idea.

Lafreniere has played minutes in this league totaling 140 full powerplays. He has 6 points.

Trouba, who is a defenseman and (we all agree) terrible on the powerplay, and plays less on it than Lafreniere does, had 5 just this past season.

Lafreniere has a legitimate case for being the worst powerplay player post-optional-six.

 

[haohmaru]

If you insist upon Kakko getting a look on PP1 over Trocheck, then sure. There's an argument to be made about how a lefty fits into our current best setup, but I don't hate the idea.

Lafreniere has played minutes in this league totaling 140 full powerplays. He has 6 points.

Trouba, who is a defenseman and (we all agree) terrible on the powerplay, and plays less on it than Lafreniere does, had 5 just this past season.

Lafreniere has a legitimate case for being the worst powerplay player post-optional-six.

All of this sure blows up a lot of narratives around here.

That being said, getting the last 15 seconds of a PP shift when everyone is changing off a zone clear isn't really the best way to analyze anything even though, despite it, Trouba somehow managed 5 points (likely all a direct result of him shooting the puck).

Hopefully this coach actually believes in giving the 2nd PP some time out there. I think he will.