Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXXIII

[GoAwayPanarin]

PLD is gonna go for a lot less than some of you think.

 

[irishlaxburger2]

PLD is gonna go for a lot less than some of you think.

Yep. Columbus has very little leverage, and everyone knows it.

We've seen this song and dance before.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yep. Columbus has very little leverage, and everyone knows it.

We've seen this song and dance before.

That and the market for him just isn’t realistically large.

this isn’t a RyJo situation.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

PLD is gonna go for a lot less than some of you think.

I still think he ends up in montreal by year 3 anyway so im not even really considering him.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

PLD will make 6.65M next season. Anyone have a list of potential UFA centers this summer?

5m AAV is all that matters.

 

[broadwayblue]

That's because our defense is so great under Martin now

I thought it was because they had JJ defend him.

 

[broadwayblue]

5m AAV is all that matters.

True. Guess that makes it harder to find a UFA 2C for 5M.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Not for nothing Shesty has been unbeatable in camp

 

[SA16]

Yep. Columbus has very little leverage, and everyone knows it.

We've seen this song and dance before.

They have plenty of leverage it's the same thing as every other player who wants to be traded. As long as there is a market > 1 the price should get forced to an equilibirum.

 

[Edge]

Top health service is so important when you need it.

Just two month ago we discovered that my oldest son (12 y/o) had skeleton cancer (osteosarcoma) in the hip. He plays a lot of sports and trains way too much for his very lanky growing body, we thought for sure that it was muscle related. But something wasn’t quite right, it wasn’t the front or back of the thigh, he was hurting just laying still. The feeling when we started to see stuff like ‘Very strong suspicion for malignant discovery’ in his digital journal...

But now when he is in treatment it feels much better. Everything is state of the art, they shy from no expenses of course in pediatric cancer treatment. The treatment is unimaginably tough. Infections everywhere due to cell poison killing the immune system, constant horrible blisters in the mouth, fevers and so much pain. But they should fix it. It’s not 90% but it’s at least more than 50%. 30 years ago the odds would have been a lot lower.

Biggest hero in the world:
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He is my biggest idol, then Laf, Kakko and Messier!

Boy does this hit close to home.

Sending positive vibes and love to you and your family.

 

[NYRKing]

Again, I ask the question, why? I've explained why I think PLD doesn't have the kind of value people are ascribing to him here (his point totals while having superb linemates, relatively modest progression in what should be his best developmental years--particularly for a top pick, his tendency to reap the majority of his production from the bottom third of the league and how his production dries up against the top third of the league, etc).

All you've offered in return is that you disagree and that you think PLD has "more value." Why? Is it his age? His draft pedigree? The Nash-like "he'll put up more production outside of Columbus" mentality? What is it exactly that makes you think a player whose first three seasons are EERILY similar to Stepan's (similar production at the same ages and even under the same coach) has the kind of value that would normally be reserved for a player a tier or two higher than that?

Honest question - have you watched him play? I’m really asking you that to see if you see the same things I do - it’s not some smug question: If you’ve watched him over the past few years you would see why he’s so coveted imo. Big body, superb hands, can play below the dots, in front of the net and great straight line speed on the rush. He’s had good production, and yes, based on his style and skill coupled with his age, he has immense potential. Nothing to do with the draft position and he couldn’t be further from Stepan.

 

[Vitto79]

Gonna guess Smith Is on waivers tomorrow so he can go from the taxi to the lineup

not sure if he or JJ play w TDA but looks like Miller/Trouba to start

 

[LokiDog]

Honest question - have you watched him play? I’m really asking you that to see if you see the same things I do - it’s not some smug question: If you’ve watched him over the past few years you would see why he’s so coveted imo. Big body, superb hands, can play below the dots, in front of the net and great straight line speed on the rush. He’s had good production, and yes, based on his style and skill coupled with his age, he has immense potential. Nothing to do with the draft position and he couldn’t be further from Stepan.

I don’t know if you’re responding to someone I’ve ignored or just the general consensus on PLD, but in my opinion, ANY kid who scores, essentially (given the shortened year last year) a minimum of 50 points a year, plays center rather than wing, has an advanced two-way and physical game, is impressive in the playoffs so far, has already hit 60+ points and is only 22 is worth a higher price than most here are willing to pay. Factoring the fact that those are his statistics while playing on one of the lowest scoring teams in the NHL and that he’s literally only 3-4 months older than Fox/Lindgren and his younger than every forward besides Laf, KK and Chytil, people are acting like we’re discussing trading for a stereotypical 27 year old 2C and not an already fairly established 1B level center on a playoff team with 3-5 years of evolution ahead of him who is also literally being discussed because he wants to play in a more offensively liberated system than the one in which he’s already achieved what he’s achieved.

We are weak at two positions. Center and LD. We have some hopes for Chytil to reach top six quality but I will happily wager my house that PLD will be the better player for their entire careers. We have no other center hopefuls at all, really. On LD, we at least have Miller, Robertson, Reunnanen, Hajek, etc. Organizationally, center may very literally be our weakest position. Adding a 22 year old who has already posted 60+ points in the NHL is an extremely rare and difficult thing.

Ironically, disregarding that he was literally 20 years old, some people are arguing that he only posted 60+ because he was playing with Panarin. Well... interestingly enough, that’s exactly who he would be centering for the next 6 years, even if that were the only reason for his success, which I’m virtually certain isn’t the case anyway. There couldn’t be a better fit out there. He literally has history with our best forward.

 

[Crease]

Top health service is so important when you need it.

Just two month ago we discovered that my oldest son (12 y/o) had skeleton cancer (osteosarcoma) in the hip. He plays a lot of sports and trains way too much for his very lanky growing body, we thought for sure that it was muscle related. But something wasn’t quite right, it wasn’t the front or back of the thigh, he was hurting just laying still. The feeling when we started to see stuff like ‘Very strong suspicion for malignant discovery’ in his digital journal...

But now when he is in treatment it feels much better. Everything is state of the art, they shy from no expenses of course in pediatric cancer treatment. The treatment is unimaginably tough. Infections everywhere due to cell poison killing the immune system, constant horrible blisters in the mouth, fevers and so much pain. But they should fix it. It’s not 90% but it’s at least more than 50%. 30 years ago the odds would have been a lot lower.

Biggest hero in the world:
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He is my biggest idol, then Laf, Kakko and Messier!

God bless Ola. Sending love and best wishes.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I don’t know if you’re responding to someone I’ve ignored or just the general consensus on PLD, but in my opinion, ANY kid who scores, essentially (given the shortened year last year) a minimum of 50 points a year, plays center rather than wing, has an advanced two-way and physical game, is impressive in the playoffs so far, has already hit 60+ points and is only 22 is worth a higher price than most here are willing to pay. Factoring the fact that those are his statistics while playing on one of the lowest scoring teams in the NHL and that he’s literally only 3-4 months older than Fox/Lindgren and his younger than every forward besides Laf, KK and Chytil, people are acting like we’re discussing trading for a stereotypical 27 year old 2C and not an already fairly established 1B level center on a playoff team with 3-5 years of evolution ahead of him who is also literally being discussed because he wants to play in a more offensively liberated system than the one in which he’s already achieved what he’s achieved.

We are weak at two positions. Center and LD. We have some hopes for Chytil to reach top six quality but I will happily wager my house that PLD will be the better player for their entire careers. We have no other center hopefuls at all, really. On LD, we at least have Miller, Robertson, Reunnanen, Hajek, etc. Organizationally, center may very literally be our weakest position. Adding a 22 year old who has already posted 60+ points in the NHL is an extremely rare and difficult thing.

Ironically, disregarding that he was literally 20 years old, some people are arguing that he only posted 60+ because he was playing with Panarin. Well... interestingly enough, that’s exactly who he would be centering for the next 6 years, even if that were the only reason for his success, which I’m virtually certain isn’t the case anyway. There couldn’t be a better fit out there. He literally has history with our best forward.

He would fit like a glove but he is not worth more than Chytil/TDA /prospect

 

[bobbop]

If the BJs do decide to accept a buffet table trade, I would think that Montreal could offer a young center (Kotkaniemi, Suzuki) and defenseman and something from their cache of draft picks.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

If the BJs do decide to accept a buffet table trade, I would think that Montreal could offer a young center (Kotkaniemi, Suzuki) and defenseman and something from their cache of draft picks.

Agreed if Montreal made one of those two available, would be tough to top. That would make sense.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

PLD is gonna go for a lot less than some of you think.

Somewhere out west though

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

If the BJs do decide to accept a buffet table trade, I would think that Montreal could offer a young center (Kotkaniemi, Suzuki) and defenseman and something from their cache of draft picks.

Montreal won’t give up Suzuki they’ve already dubbed him the next Bergeron up there. Kotkaniemi though is a good bet to be included in a deal

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Montreal has set unrealistic expectations for Suzuki so he isn't going anywhere for at least 2 seasons when he fails to meet them.

Are we even sure that PLD wants to go to Montreal? That place eats frenchies up and spits them out.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Montreal has set unrealistic expectations for Suzuki so he isn't going anywhere for at least 2 seasons when he fails to meet them.

Are we even sure that PLD wants to go to Montreal? That place eats frenchies up and spits them out.

Yup.

See: Drouin, Jonathan

 

[jay from jersey]

Top health service is so important when you need it.

Just two month ago we discovered that my oldest son (12 y/o) had skeleton cancer (osteosarcoma) in the hip. He plays a lot of sports and trains way too much for his very lanky growing body, we thought for sure that it was muscle related. But something wasn’t quite right, it wasn’t the front or back of the thigh, he was hurting just laying still. The feeling when we started to see stuff like ‘Very strong suspicion for malignant discovery’ in his digital journal...

But now when he is in treatment it feels much better. Everything is state of the art, they shy from no expenses of course in pediatric cancer treatment. The treatment is unimaginably tough. Infections everywhere due to cell poison killing the immune system, constant horrible blisters in the mouth, fevers and so much pain. But they should fix it. It’s not 90% but it’s at least more than 50%. 30 years ago the odds would have been a lot lower.

Biggest hero in the world:
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He is my biggest idol, then Laf, Kakko and Messier!

Jesus Ola that’s terrible. I’ll keep him in my prayers. Happy to hear he’s doing well. Young kids are resilient and their bodies bounce back fast. Looking forward to seeing a pick of him back on the ice, field or court whatever his favorite sports may be.

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[bl02]

Yup.

See: Drouin, Jonathan

See: Leblanc, Louis

 

[smoneil]

Honest question - have you watched him play? I’m really asking you that to see if you see the same things I do - it’s not some smug question: If you’ve watched him over the past few years you would see why he’s so coveted imo. Big body, superb hands, can play below the dots, in front of the net and great straight line speed on the rush. He’s had good production, and yes, based on his style and skill coupled with his age, he has immense potential. Nothing to do with the draft position and he couldn’t be further from Stepan.

Yes, but not as much last season. I watched him play several times in his sophomore season and felt that he looked a LOT better against the bottom teams. That's what got me interested in looking into his stat breakdown. He'd look like a world-beater against Ottawa and Detroit, but against the better teams, he'd be invisible. Again, he's 22 years old, so that very well may come, but if we're going to give up a 1C haul, we need a guaranteed 1C back. First line centers perform against top teams. I'm not against kicking the tires, but for the pieces people are tossing into the pile, I think there are better potential returns. And to be candid--he may have completely changed his game last season to become this dominant player you talk about. I think I saw him in part of one game last season (was an insanely busy year, and mostly just kept to watching the Rangers). His stats still skew towards beating up the bottom feeders and drying up against the top teams, though he did improve a little bit in that area last season.