Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVIII

[Avery16]

https://nypost.com/2020/10/17/slap-shots-minor-leaguers-hit-hard-rangers-lafreniere-thoughts/

I’ll tell you this. Whenever I see a projected Rangers’ lineup that does not have Alexis Lafreniere in the top six, but rather on the third line with the Blueshirts stacking left wings Artemi Panarin, Chris Kreider and Lafreniere, I hope this does not reflect the views of management.
This, too: You’d better believe that Morgan Barron’s and Vitali Kravtsov’s respective cap hits of $1.775 million per, as opposed to Phil DiGiuseppe’s $700,000 or Kevin Rooney’s $750,000, will play a part in roster decisions out of training camp.
Barron and Kravtsov have entry-level bonus packages of $850,000 apiece. Per capfriendly.com, most bonus clauses kick in after 42 games played (or what would become the prorated equivalent of a truncated schedule).

 

[Off Sides]

Didn't Svechnikov start on the Canes 4th line?

I don't remember but the idea that a rookie whether drafted #1, #2, or whatever needs to start on some specific line seems kind of like a silly premise. When a team has a legit top 9 coaching should try to figure out who complements each other's games and make a line out of them. If one line is playing well they should play more even if that is considered the 3rd line.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

https://nypost.com/2020/10/17/slap-shots-minor-leaguers-hit-hard-rangers-lafreniere-thoughts/

@True Blue just malfunctioned.

 

[Fitzy]

That just means, deductively speaking, one of two things.

1) Kreider on the 3rd line, boosted by top PP minutes
2) Kreider playing RW, which then bumps either Kakko or Buch to the third line.

 

[SA16]

Didn't Svechnikov start on the Canes 4th line?

I don't remember but the idea that a rookie whether drafted #1, #2, or whatever needs to start on some specific line seems kind of like a silly premise. When a team has a legit top 9 coaching should try to figure out who complements each other's games and make a line out of them. If one line is playing well they should play more even if that is considered the 3rd line.

Hughes started with Bratt and Gusev
Svechnikov started with Martinook and Wallmark
Hischier started with Johansson and Stafford
Matthews started with Hyman and Nylander
McDavid started with Hall and Slepyshev
Reinhart started with Gionta and Hodgson
MacKinnon started with McGinn and Parenteau
Yakupov started with Gagner and Hemsky (L2)
Nugent-Hopkins started with Hall and Hemsky
Hall started with Horcoff and Eberle (L1)

A bit all over the place. That's the last 10 first forwards taken.

 

[Leetch3]

If lafreniere comes in and is ready for a top 6 role that’s great, but the idea that something is wrong if he starts on the 3rd line is nonsense. Lots of guys have started in the bottom 6 before moving up

 

[Avery16]

@True Blue just malfunctioned.

How do you tell when they're malfunctioning

 

[mike14]

Yeah, but then there’s shipping...

It's all on-line now, ya gotta get with the times!

 

[Thirty One]

It's all on-line now, ya gotta get with the times!

Still, you know they’re printing that shit and toner ain’t cheap.

 

[Greg02]

It's all on-line now, ya gotta get with the times!

As the wise folks over at Ticketmaster have shown us, just because it's online doesn't mean you can't charge shipping.

 

[DutchShamrock]

No no no

You see, all the experts and analysts that have published articles crediting the Rangers with this stuff... yeah, that is all actually worthless

They are wrong because the players since 2017 haven't done anything. The rangers were gifted Lafreniere and he hasn't even scored yet. No, the choice is to limit the evaluation to an early period of time. I'll just select one at random, let's say 2013-2016. See, they didn't draft a single 1st rounder to play a game. Utter shame.

All joking aside, holy crap 2013. Buchnevich, Duclair and Graves without a 1st or 2nd. What's the issue?

 

[Kords]

It's hard to estimate the best possible line combos until we see how Chytil, Kakko and Goat have progressed. I'd even throw Howden in there. That's not even including Kravtsov who seems unlikely for next season at this point.

Point being, if Chytil and Kakko take the next step that line could be lethal. Not ideal lumping all the kids together, but that didn't stop them last year.

I think the extra time off will benefit Kakko. Kid lives Hockey, I have no doubt he isn't sitting idle. Chytil will be very interesting. I'm a huge fan of his, but if he takes a step back after this extended layoff I might start to worry.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Hughes started with Bratt and Gusev
Svechnikov started with Martinook and Wallmark
Hischier started with Johansson and Stafford
Matthews started with Hyman and Nylander
McDavid started with Hall and Slepyshev
Reinhart started with Gionta and Hodgson
MacKinnon started with McGinn and Parenteau
Yakupov started with Gagner and Hemsky (L2)
Nugent-Hopkins started with Hall and Hemsky
Hall started with Horcoff and Eberle (L1)

A bit all over the place. That's the last 10 first forwards taken.

Man, I'm remembering some guys now, thanks

 

[smoneil]

Man, I'm remembering some guys now, thanks

Same. I'd forgotten that PAP was a thing. Remember when he signed with the Isles cause he was all pissed off that the Rangers low balled him or something?

 

[mas0764]

The only thing I can remember remotely close is circa 1990 with Leetch/Richter/Amonte/Weight/Turcotte

Hard to argue with the Amonte trade but you have to wonder if they could have won in 94 without Esa Tikkanen and kept Doug Weight.

 

[Thirty One]

https://nypost.com/2020/10/17/slap-shots-minor-leaguers-hit-hard-rangers-lafreniere-thoughts/

"Per capfriendly.com, most bonus clauses kick in after 42 games played (or what would become the prorated equivalent of a truncated schedule)."

Anyone know what this means?

 

[mas0764]

Patience is fine to an extent, I prefer it to doing something rash and stupid...

But the truth of the matter is that this group is going to have to take at least one run while Laf is on his ELC. Whether that means doing major things next off season or the offseason after that, I don't know, but if we're relying on our D prospects to step up and eat those big minutes we'll be wasting a pretty good opportunity here. The only guy I'm comfortable with throwing out there against top competition is Fox. Miller might be that guy, ditto Robertson and/or Schneider, but those guys are going to take time to cook (especially Miller.)

Well one of our problems seems to be that we threw a lot of assets and money at Trouba right before Fox became available, DeAngelo took off, and Lundkvist really turned into a star prospect. We could have really used that $8m on a shut down D instead of more of the offensive player Trouba is.

 

[bbny]

"Per capfriendly.com, most bonus clauses kick in after 42 games played (or what would become the prorated equivalent of a truncated schedule)."

Anyone know what this means?

Yes

 

[Thirty One]

Yes

OK good.

 

[Leetch3]

"Per capfriendly.com, most bonus clauses kick in after 42 games played (or what would become the prorated equivalent of a truncated schedule)."

Anyone know what this means?

I don't see this anywhere on capfriendy but here are the schedule A bonuses (up to 850K) for forwards

-Top 6 in TOI on team (min. 42 games)*
-20 goals (min.)**
-35 assists (min.)**
-60 points (min.)**
-0.73 points per game (min. 42 games)
-Top 3 forwards in +/- on team (min. 42 games)
-Makes end of season All-Star Rookie Team
-Selected or play in NHL All-Star Game
-NHL All-Star Game MVP

so for TOI, points per game or top 3 in +/- requires a minimum of 42 games but the others don't...its unlikely that a player would hit those other marks without playing that many games but in theory if a guy stored 20 goals in under 40 games he'd hit that trigger

 

[bbny]

OK good.

I lied.

 

[Thirty One]

I don't see this anywhere on capfriendy but here are the schedule A bonuses (up to 850K) for forwards

-Top 6 in TOI on team (min. 42 games)*
-20 goals (min.)**
-35 assists (min.)**
-60 points (min.)**
-0.73 points per game (min. 42 games)
-Top 3 forwards in +/- on team (min. 42 games)
-Makes end of season All-Star Rookie Team
-Selected or play in NHL All-Star Game
-NHL All-Star Game MVP

so for TOI, points per game or top 3 in +/- requires a minimum of 42 games but the others don't...its unlikely that a player would hit those other marks without playing that many games but in theory if a guy stored 20 goals in under 40 games he'd hit that trigger

OK, so 42 games is not super relevant to the decision to play Barron and Kravtsov then.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Hard to argue with the Amonte trade but you have to wonder if they could have won in 94 without Esa Tikkanen and kept Doug Weight.

If they didn’t win the cup, all those trades would go down as the worst ever

 

[CommaSynapse]

OK, so 42 games is not super relevant to the decision to play Barron and Kravtsov then.

Might be different if it’s a shortened schedule.

Probably would just be one game more than the halfway point of the season if it’s prorated to the same degree.

So 31 games if it’s a 60-game season, etc.

Hard to say without seeing the actual contract.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The center position is gonna need to be filled via trade. Good thing we’ve been collecting assets for the last three years.

Players you trade for usually have expensive contracts, id have loved if they had a center they could expect to take that 2c spot at an entry level contract even if its for 2 years on the cheap as the 2c. Maybe they feel Barron can do that? Im not sure about that but id like to have that option to have someone cheap in that spot.