Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVIII

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

We won't be walking away from Strome, not sure why people are suggesting that. They will take the arbitration, elevate his point totals if they can and trade him at the deadline. Even if you have to retain half, getting something for him instead of nothing is a no brainer.

Actually, that's an interesting idea for right now. Sign Strome to like $4.5MM for 1-2 year(s), then trade him somewhere at 50% retained for picks. Turn around and sign Granlund for 1 year somewhere between $2-3MM.

 

[Avery16]

We won't be walking away from Strome, not sure why people are suggesting that. They will take the arbitration, elevate his point totals if they can and trade him at the deadline. Even if you have to retain half, getting something for him instead of nothing is a no brainer.

Retaining half on the upper limit of what Strome could receive in arbitration is more than what we offered to Fast and more than we are rumored to have offered to Granlund.

I don’t think FO is comfortable with the prospect of a $5 million Strome even for just one season, and I know they aren’t comfortable carrying $2.5 in dead space when it can easily be avoided. As much as they may be willing to walk from a $5 million Strome, I think they'd prefer that to a $4 million Strome that they can't walk from.

Strome is not the asset you think he is.

 

[GAGLine]

We won't be walking away from Strome, not sure why people are suggesting that. They will take the arbitration, elevate his point totals if they can and trade him at the deadline. Even if you have to retain half, getting something for him instead of nothing is a no brainer.

I think Brooks threw it out as a possibility. I'm not sure what number would make the Rangers walk away, but anything over $4,538,958 and they have the option.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I think Brooks threw it out as a possibility. I'm not sure what number would make the Rangers walk away, but anything over $4,538,958 and they have the option.

What’s that number represent, why so exact?

 

[NYblades]

I agree.

Where do you see Barron's ultimate future?

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Where do you see Barron's ultimate future?

25% solid net and puck digging presence 2W to complement more skilled players
60% helping to drive a good line as a 3W
15% good 4W

I don’t have him as a C, would like to see how Richards pans out, he was born for 4C

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Once again i really like Schneider, i just thought when we moved up we would be moving up to grab someone in a position of need.

A shutdown top 4 pairing d-man is always a position of need.

 

[Leetch3]

What’s that number represent, why so exact?

the threshold is calculated based on the average salary around the league.

 

[pld459666]

I was so skeptical of Lafreniere during the lead up to the draft, partially because of how ‘disappointing’ Hughes and Kakko’s seasons were, but I’ve been watching larger highlight reels and game footage and looking at his game more in depth and I’m willing to say I’m leaning 70/30 toward him being a MacKinnon-esque talent. He’s got it all and he has the Crosby work ethic to keep improving.

Is that really a common interpretation of the season Kakko had. That it was disappointing?

Or is it a misinterpretation of the part of a small minority here and elsewhere??

I'm curious.

 

[Irishguy42]

Is that really a common interpretation of the season Kakko had. That it was disappointing?

Or is it a misinterpretation of the part of a small minority here and elsewhere??

I'm curious.

It's not at all the minority opinion here or around the league. It's the common (and mostly accurate) viewpoint.

 

[Leetch3]

means that after 5pm we can offer lemieux and strome below their QO and still keep their rights...not that either would sign for below but we can offer it

 

[duhmetreE]

Say we do sign Strome @ 4.5 for 1 year.

Would Strome @ 50% and one of our 'toppish' prospects be enough for Cirelli?

 

[Daves a mess]

Keenan hated Gardner. That’s all you need to know.

Haha, so did you with the way you spell his name.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Keenan hated Gardner. That’s all you need to know.

Keenan thought Gartner was soft, along with the other guys they traded away that year, that you don't win in the playoffs with that type of player. I didn't love the Anderson addition; I liked Noonan and Matteau. As a long time Ranger, was disappointed to see Patrick go. Long term, losing Amonte stung. In retrospect, those trades worked out as they won the Cup that year, and that what we all wanted to see.

 

[bobbop]

Haha, so did you with the way you spell his name.

f***ing spell check

 

[kovazub94]

We won't be walking away from Strome, not sure why people are suggesting that. They will take the arbitration, elevate his point totals if they can and trade him at the deadline. Even if you have to retain half, getting something for him instead of nothing is a no brainer.

Because even qualifying him wasn’t an obvious decision when Gorton waited to the last moment.

 

[Avery16]

Say we do sign Strome @ 4.5 for 1 year.

Would Strome @ 50% and one of our 'toppish' prospects be enough for Cirelli?

Why would TB do that when they would get better offers for Cirelli?

People get to proposals like this one by asking the question “how could I possibly justify Strome at more than what he currently makes” and this line of thought does not lead to realistic outcomes.

 

[jfc64]

Think management is looking at this scenario for the 2021-22 season (13 million in buyouts is now down to 4), especially when considering giving Strome 6 million that maybe his LAST season was worth.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Kakko (12.7 million)
Panarin - Chytil - Kravtsov (13.4 + RFA raise)
Lafrenière - Howden - Buchnevich (5 + 2RFA)
Lemieux - Blackwell - Gauthier (3 + 2RFA)

X - Trouba (8 + X)
Lindgren - DeAngelo (5.7 + RFA)
Hajek - Fox (1.7 + RFA)
Miller - Bitetto (1.6)

Shesterkin (6?)
Georgiev (2.5)

Risk that Strome in first hand and Buchnevich, Trouba, Kreider, DeAngelo and one of Shestyorkin or Georgiev doesn't fit in this puzzle when the cap is considered. Looks real promising. The season after that calls for a few raises as well (Zibby, Kakko and Fox in first hand). Maybe X should be a rental.

62 million and RFA raises + one UFA or trade (X). 4 million in buyouts.

 

[kovazub94]

Keenan thought Gartner was soft, along with the other guys they traded away that year, that you don't win in the playoffs with that type of player. I didn't love the Anderson addition; I liked Noonan and Matteau. As a long time Ranger, was disappointed to see Patrick go. Long term, losing Amonte stung. In retrospect, those trades worked out as they won the Cup that year, and that what we all wanted to see.

With the hindsight don’t you think both Weight and Amonte proved to be players you can win in playoffs? How likely the Rangers would have a repeated chance at SC instead of one and done?

 

[kovazub94]

A shutdown top 4 pairing d-man is always a position of need.

At RD position too which is always at premium (right after C IMO).

 

[kovazub94]

Is that really a common interpretation of the season Kakko had. That it was disappointing?

Or is it a misinterpretation of the part of a small minority here and elsewhere??

I'm curious.

He struggled for most of the season. Only his 2OA “title” and overall lack of team depth kept him from being sent to Hartford. Does it reflect poorly on his future? No, but you cannot call his performance last season as a good.

 

[Kovalev27]

Think management is looking at this scenario for the 2021-22 season (13 million in buyouts is now down to 4), especially when considering giving Strome 6 million that maybe his LAST season was worth.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Kakko (12.7 million)
Panarin - Chytil - Kravtsov (13.4 + RFA raise)
Lafrenière - Howden - Buchnevich (5 + 2RFA)
Lemieux - Blackwell - Gauthier (3 + 2RFA)

X - Trouba (8 + X)
Lindgren - DeAngelo (5.7 + RFA)
Hajek - Fox (1.7 + RFA)
Miller - Bitetto (1.6)

Shesterkin (6?)
Georgiev (2.5)

Risk that Strome in first hand and Buchnevich, Trouba, Kreider, DeAngelo and one of Shestyorkin or Georgiev doesn't fit in this puzzle when the cap is considered. Looks real promising. The season after that calls for a few raises as well (Zibby, Kakko and Fox in first hand). Maybe X should be a rental.

62 million and RFA raises + one UFA or trade (X). 4 million in buyouts.

Lafrenière is not playing on the third line in 2 years he probably won’t this year and Buchnevich is not going to be resigned. Just can’t do it. Can’t pay him

 

[Rongomania]

He struggled for most of the season. Only his 2OA “title” and overall lack of team depth kept him from being sent to Hartford. Does it reflect poorly on his future? No, but you cannot call his performance last season as a good.

Svech had 14 more points in 16 more GP his rookie year. Kakko had 23 in 66 and Svech had 37 in 82.

Svech didn't light the world on fire his first season either, Kakko will be fine.

 

[SA16]

Svech had 14 more points in 16 more GP his rookie year. Kakko had 23 in 66 and Svech had 37 in 82.

Svech didn't light the world on fire his first season either, Kakko will be fine.

Why are we only looking at points and games?

 

[Rongomania]

Why are we only looking at points and games?

I just thought it interesting as I kind of felt this way about Svech before last year. I actually think I saw a lot of similarities in their rookie years. I thought the Carolina team in Svechs first season wasn't a tank level team as we were last year, so I think that only helped Svech and I factor that into the comparison as well. I like where Kakko is and I see him having a much better year coming up.