Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVII

[Lindberg Cheese]

The NHL is holding out hope a vaccine will be available early in 2021 so they can get back to packing the arenas ASAP

Whether or not that's a realistic wish from them is a different story. They're gonna have to do limited capacity though in some form, whether they like it or not

Anyone on the board have a background in which they can provide an estimate on our vaccine production capacity rates?

 

[aufheben]

Sorry, I guess I should have said "will provide" instead of "is providing". Am I interpreting it wrong? My initial read is that GSVA is how much good or bad you're providing or expected to provide to your team, and 1.2 is twice as valuable as .6.

I mean it’s impossible to accurately project how good prospects will be 2 years from now it’s just for fun.

 

[Savant]

So. It sure if any one did any digging on this yet but wanted to go back to Jack Johnson a bit. Taking Johnson’s ability out of the equation, if the plan is to move one of the RHD to LHD, as Gorton alluded to, why didn’t we sign an RHD instead of Johnson who is LHD. I’m not using this to trash Johnson, just want to look at roster construction.

Here are some RHD that also signed 1yr deals around 1m.

• Zach Bogosian 1yr/1m
• Trevor van Riemsdyk 1yr/800k
• Mark Pysyk 1yr/750k
• Luke Schenn 1yr/800k

Bogosian and Schenn may have been locked into their destinations but TVR and Pysyk would have been interesting additions, albeit not the same kind of player as Johnson. TVR is a player I have always liked and he was very well respected in the Carolina locker room for example. Would that have been a more prudent signing? Are there any other righty vet minimum-ish candidates laying around. Just some food for thought. Still a lot remains to be seen obviously.

 

[eco's bones]

I'd be fine with Hajek looking his offensive game from the CHL but it also looked like the game was too fast (not instinctive) for him on D too. Not ready to write him off but Lindgren beat him for the spot first and now he got other prospects to compete against.

He was having a hard time dealing with being pressured and was getting plastered too much on hard forechecks. Lindgren replaced him and showed more battle level almost immediately.

 

[NYSPORTS]

You wouldn’t pay fair market for a 22 23 year old top pairing LD for this club? I absolutely would. You’re going to move on from Tony and Strome this is where to spend your money

what is fair market? A bridge deal and then what?

Nils is cost controlled for years and might be better than Serg. Serg is behind the top line on a super star team so how good is he actually? Rangers cap will have issues regardless and especially if they have to go shopping for a 2nd line center. No way i’m paying for Serg

 

[NYSPORTS]

You're giving them a cheap *potential* talent while the Rangers get a more expensive *established* talent. Plus Serg is a LHD. Nils probably isn't playing on a top 2 pair here while Serg would be our #1 LD. ALso he's 22, not like you're trading a kid for a 30+ year old.

Serg was a beast this playoffs, a huge contributor for a Cup team. This would be a no-brainer move.

Why do you think the Lightning have a cap issue and could be forced to move Serg? The no-brainer is how this happened.

You’re creating the same issue for the Rangers in the near future. No thanks

 

[NY Lito]

Why do you think the Lightning have a cap issue and could be forced to move Serg? The no-brainer is how this happened.

You’re creating the same issue for the Rangers in the near future. No thanks

Their problem was having too many good players (a problem I'd like to have). Some elite players that deserved to be paid big $ (Kuch, Stammer, Vasi, Hedman, etc.) while also doling out big $ to other guys (McD, Palat, Gourde, etc.) Just because they screwed up their cap handing out $ and NMCs to everyone doesn't mean it has to happen here.

Paying Serg is a no brainer. Paying a combined $20m for Palat, Johnson, Gourde, and Killorn (while already paying huge $ to other guys) wasn't.

 

[NYSPORTS]

I think I would rather have Lundkvist on an ELC for 3 years than have to pay Sergachev when he has been in a sheltered bubble. Don't get me wrong, I'd still probably take a chance on Sergachev, but not for Lundkvist.
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agree

and if you bring in a Serg, he or somebody or somebody valuable will be given away for cap space in the near future. This is the new way of the NHL and willl be around for a while.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Their problem was having too many good players (a problem I'd like to have). Some elite players that deserved to be paid big $ (Kuch, Stammer, Vasi, Hedman, etc.) while also doling out big $ to other guys (McD, Palat, Gourde, etc.) Just because they screwed up their cap handing out $ and NMCs to everyone doesn't mean it has to happen here.

Paying Serg is a no brainer. Paying a combined $20m for Palat, Johnson, Gourde, and Killorn (while already paying huge $ to other guys) wasn't.

How are you going to avoid it happening here? Look at the roster and contracts. How the world are you going to avoid it? All you’re doing is adding on money to have it happen earlier.

 

[NY Lito]

How are you going to avoid it happening here? Look at the roster and contracts. How the world are you going to avoid it? All you’re doing is adding on money to have it happen earlier.

It would only be a problem this very season. Down the line not a problem at all. How much do you really think Buch, Lindgren, Chytil, etc. are going to get on their next contracts? They won't be making Palat/TyJo/Killorn/Gourde money. Igor won't be making Vasi money. The only big $ coming up potentially is Zib (in two years). Our cap situation sucks right now, but it solid going forward.

Different situations.

 

[NYSPORTS]

It would only be a problem this very season. Down the line not a problem at all. How much do you really think Buch, Lindgren, Chytil, etc. are going to get on their next contracts? They won't be making Palat/TyJo/Killorn/Gourde money. Igor won't be making Vasi money. The only big $ coming up potentially is Zib (in two years). Our cap situation sucks right now, but it solid going forward.

Different situations.

none of that is true. Your take is extremely short sightened

 

[n8]

The NHL is running a 3 month break now. I have kind of a hard time understanding why. All other sport leagues, at least in Europe, is playing for full.

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from an operations standpoint, there has to be a lot of planning that happens in the offseason and given that the circumstances are all crazy, it's not just a standard walk in the park. The various business branches need time to figure things out like will there be anything resembling a prospects camp? tournaments? preseason? negotiating with junior league teams? AHL logistics? Do arenas create mini-bubbles? What happens if like in the MLB an entire team has a covid breakout? Is McDavid healthy enough to play (we might not care but the NHL sure as hell does). We still have some free agency left too. There are a lot of players out there, trades to be made, caps to manage. If you have a hard time understanding why, I don't know what to say. It's all pretty clear to me. Hopefully you aren't just pouting for hockey because you've got a bunch of ding dong friends who won't shut up about Football.

 

[bleedblue94]

The NHL is running a 3 month break now. I have kind of a hard time understanding why. All other sport leagues, at least in Europe, is playing for full.

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the nhl still doesn't have a plan for starting the next season. players are against the bubble concept for the season, fans cant attend games in most markets, and traveling leagues consistently have issues with players testing positive. I personally will be impressed if the nhl gets everything figured out and can actually start the season Jan 1 without a wide spread vaccine in place by that time.

 

[n8]

Anyone on the board have a background in which they can provide an estimate on our vaccine production capacity rates?

getting medical information on a hockey forum. this should go well.

 

[NY Lito]

none of that is true.

So Chytil, Buch, Lindgren, and Howden will all be getting $5m per. And Igor will be at $9m.

Sounds right.

 

[mas0764]

Unless Sergachev slots in as our #1 LD, and I'm not sure he does, then I'm lukewarm on the idea.

Similarly I'm not all that thrilled in bringing in a clear cut 2C like Lindholm or Monahan.

I'm more interested in finding a future 1C even if that means having to get someone who is further away.

But we have plenty of middle-6 and middle-pair options already. We don't need more, they will just take time. Hajek, Rykov, Reunanon, Schneider, Robertson, Jones, Miller, Skinner, etc, etc, etc. We are gonna have all the quality "top 4" D we can handle and then some. So if Sergachev is merely a quality 2nd pair..... eh..... I'll just wait a bit longer and then have enough organically and for cheap.

It's a 1D that my system might be missing, just like it's a 1C that my system might be missing for the post-1C-Zibanejad era (there is no one around necessarily who projects as that top center for when Lafreniere and Kakko are 25 years old). 2C isn't nearly as much a concern; if I have Eichel, then Chytil is probably more than enough at 2C with these wingers. And so on.

 

[bleedblue94]

So. It sure if any one did any digging on this yet but wanted to go back to Jack Johnson a bit. Taking Johnson’s ability out of the equation, if the plan is to move one of the RHD to LHD, as Gorton alluded to, why didn’t we sign an RHD instead of Johnson who is LHD. I’m not using this to trash Johnson, just want to look at roster construction.

Here are some RHD that also signed 1yr deals around 1m.

• Zach Bogosian 1yr/1m
• Trevor van Riemsdyk 1yr/800k
• Mark Pysyk 1yr/750k
• Luke Schenn 1yr/800k

Bogosian and Schenn may have been locked into their destinations but TVR and Pysyk would have been interesting additions, albeit not the same kind of player as Johnson. TVR is a player I have always liked and he was very well respected in the Carolina locker room for example. Would that have been a more prudent signing? Are there any other righty vet minimum-ish candidates laying around. Just some food for thought. Still a lot remains to be seen obviously.

immediate thought is that doing so would be to allocate more ice time to ada, fox and trouba by having all three on the top pairs that see more ice time, not to keep one on the 3rd pair and bring in another rhd to move to the left. The three rhd we have right now are better than any rhd we would sign in free agency, so those are the guys we want to get more ice time

 

[NYSPORTS]

So Chytil, Buch, Lindgren, and Howden will all be getting $5m per. And Igor will be at $9m.

Sounds right.

so Laf and Kakko will play so badly they won’t command high RFA dollars like other stars?

Never mind all the kids and potential bonus over the next 5 years.

Sounds right.

 

[Avery16]

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Unless Sergachev slots in as our #1 LD, and I'm not sure he does, then I'm lukewarm on the idea.

Similarly I'm not all that thrilled in bringing in a clear cut 2C like Lindholm or Monahan.

I'm more interested in finding a future 1C even if that means having to get someone who is further away.

But we have plenty of middle-6 and middle-pair options already. We don't need more, they will just take time. Hajek, Rykov, Reunanon, Schneider, Robertson, Jones, Miller, Skinner, etc, etc, etc. We are gonna have all the quality "top 4" D we can handle and then some. So if Sergachev is merely a quality 2nd pair..... eh..... I'll just wait a bit longer and then have enough organically and for cheap.

It's a 1D that my system might be missing, just like it's a 1C that my system might be missing for the post-1C-Zibanejad era (there is no one around necessarily who projects as that top center for when Lafreniere and Kakko are 25 years old). 2C isn't nearly as much a concern; if I have Eichel, then Chytil is probably more than enough at 2C with these wingers. And so on.

I don’t see him as a true #1 but he would definitely be our 1D. Lindgren is the only LHD worth anything on our team and Sergachev is better than him.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

Greg the leg Mckegg signed with the Bruins

 

[NYSPORTS]

great news. “Easy”

 

[NY Lito]

so Laf and Kakko will play so badly they won’t command high RFA dollars like other stars?

Never mind all the kids and potential bonus over the next 5 years.

Sounds right.

Lol. Way to bring up Kakko and Laf. Laf is 3 years away. Unless Kakko goes the f off the next two years he's not getting that Marner/Matthews/Eichel second contract. Even if he does you would make it work. And yeah the kids, playing on kids deals. Laf and Miller aren't up until 2023. Fox and Kakko 2022. The cap situation is pretty wide open going forward. Next summer is key getting a guy like Chytil locked down reasonably. That's if he's even worth a long investment. Not saying next season is make or break but it will be very telling. Buchnevich? He's not a core piece, if he wants too much you trade him.

Trouba, Panarin, Kreider. Those are the big contracts on the books. Maybe Zib, but not until 2022. I don't know why you think our situation is like Tampa's at all. They have better players, older players, on bigger contracts. You're acting like Kuch starting making 9m off his ELC.

 

[Fitzy]

I'm not opposed to the principle of playing ADA on the left side, but I just see a potential ADA-Trouba partnership as a disastwer waiting to happen

 

[NYSPORTS]

Lol. Way to bring up Kakko and Laf. Laf is 3 years away. Unless Kakko goes the f off the next two years he's not getting that Marner/Matthews/Eichel second contract. Even if he does you would make it work. And yeah the kids, playing on kids deals. Laf and Miller aren't up until 2023. Fox and Kakko 2022. The cap situation is pretty wide open going forward. Next summer is key getting a guy like Chytil locked down reasonably. That's if he's even worth a long investment. Not saying next season is make or break but it will be very telling. Buchnevich? He's not a core piece, if he wants too much you trade him.

Trouba, Panarin, Kreider. Those are the big contracts on the books. Maybe Zib, but not until 2022. I don't know why you think our situation is like Tampa's at all. They have better players, older players, on bigger contracts. You're acting like Kuch starting making 9m off his ELC.

We’ll just find a way. Love this type of fan. You could justify any credit card purchase until the bill comes. You’re wrong and Tampa is showing you exactly what will happen.

Not losing a Zibby or others b/c i part ways with cheap talent in order to obtain more expensive talent.