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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVII

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Calad said:
Right around that time is when Schenider would be expected to break into the league as well, and I'm sure they envision him taking those sort of minutes when hes in the NHL.
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Absolutely. Rangers are in a good spot here. A little bit of patience goes a long way, as tempting as it is to use the assets to improve immediately.
 
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DutchShamrock said:
Thank you. I appreciate you explaining it in layman's terms.

So if have so strong confidence we'll have a few million in cap space at the end of the year, we could add later on. The crunch is still on next year, but we have a lot of relief coming. We could jump the market and land value during the year. There is no rush to fix it all today.
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To be clear, any actual bonus payments that exceed the 81.5 mil cap will roll over to next year.
 
EdJovanovski said:
Hopefully you don't have too much of a breakdown when he's not :laugh: you're acting like they're desperately trying to move him out for peanuts
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I think most teams just don't want all that is Tony DeAngelo and JG wants more than they're offering, probably peanuts. He's good at hockey, so I'd be OK with 1-2 more years but believe he's at peak value now. Just not as valued as some think. Also bad timing.
 
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The truth is that the Rangers are going to have salary cap problems from now until this still to open window closes. Yes, they will have some players graduate from ELCs this year but it is likely that they will have several more join the roster next year. And the year after.

And since we are already assuming superstardom for Lafreniere (not a bad thought by any means) and almost superstardom for Kaako, not to mention Sherstorkin and Fox, the dollars are going to add up quickly.

Gorton will be wiggling against the cap for the next several years and I wouldn't have it any other way. If he is not, then we are going to be real disappointed with the teams performance.
 
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NYSPORTS said:
Exactly!!!! Thank you!!! You never did post nobody is getting a raise or spending tomorrow dollars today. Your type can’t recognize you’re spending tomorrows dollars. When is Serg set to be an UFA? Sooner than Nils. We know, bridge deal and then we’ll figure it out along with 3/4ths the roster and keep them all right? Sure, of course.
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I mean, I did, when I compared what the Tampa stars got off their ELCs and mentioned how our young guys could be in the ballpark of those deals when their ELCs expire. Did you not catch that?

This all stemmed from saying this team will immediately be in the Tampa situation when that is simply not the case. AGAIN, Tampa's cap situation is super tight because they have superstars on their THIRD contracts while they also paid role players big money.

So I ask, how is Tampa's current situation happening here anytime soon? It happens if we give all our young guys huge contracts while overpaying role players. That would break the camel's back, not trading Nils for Sergachev.

Thanks I'll hang up and listen.
 
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Looking through our page on capfriendly this morning it becomes obvious quickly that the single biggest hurdle JG and the team gave themselves moving forward is Trouba's contract. I'm a fan of his, and I didn't have a problem with him this year, to be clear. But 8mil, 7 years, and a full NMC until 2024 really handcuff us.

No way could Gorton have known how good Fox would be this year. No way he could have known DeAngelo would break out the way he did. Nor Nils in Sweden for that matter. And of course, he wasn't counting on a flat cap. But even at the time, it was too much money, too many years. And now it's hard to see what management plans to do moving forward except to continually bridge our young players and end up eating it on the backend.

Kreider's signing doesn't look great either based on the circumstances, but at least his number represents a market discount. Trouba's really stands out. I think plenty of us were weary of the number and terms at the time, but I think it could prove disastrous.
 
if we're looking for a more suitable partner for Trouba I would absolutely move Lindgren to his left side and play Fox with anyone with a pulse. Lindgren-Trouba are actually very good compliments on paper.
 
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NY Lito said:
This all stemmed from saying this team will immediately be in the Tampa situation when that is simply not the case.

AGAIN, Tampa's cap situation is super tight because they have superstars on their THIRD contracts while they also paid role players big money.
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i never said that.

There is no question you’re sending the Rangers down the Tampa road sooner than later by acquiring Serg who will be a UFA sooner than a Nils who hasn’t even arrived.

By 22/23 you have a flat cap and approx $29 million allocated to only 4 players. Yet the organization has two lottery picks, including seven of eight #1 picks, a stud center and a bunch of talented youth with less than $50 million spend with Laf a RFA the following year.

Yes, that’s the real picture. Just b/c somebody offered a shiny new credit card (Serg) doesn’t mean the four maxed out ones in your wallet (4 signed at $29 million) won’t cost you interest (bonus of all players) on top of that principle you still have no means of paying (the rest of the talented roster).

Your take is “would only be a problem this very season. Down the line not a problem at all.”

Think again

back afta dis
 
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Ranger Spice said:
New Uncle Larry article:

https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/rangers-cap-crunch-meets-tony-deangelo-ryan-strome-arbitration/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons
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This is interesting, and something I didn't know:

Yes, the Rangers could walk away from a Strome award if it is greater than $4,538,958. But in that case, Strome would have the right to walk back to the Blueshirts for the team’s arbitration offer within four days of being informed of the walkway. This stipulation was agreed to for 2020 only in the CBA negotiations as PA protection against players being dumped late into the free agent market.

For example, if the Rangers’ bid is $4 million and the arbiter’s award is $5.25 million, the team could walk away from it. Strome would then have four days to shop himself on the market, after which he could sign with the Blueshirts for that $4 million.
 
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Thirty One said:
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This is interesting, and something I didn't know:

Yes, the Rangers could walk away from a Strome award if it is greater than $4,538,958. But in that case, Strome would have the right to walk back to the Blueshirts for the team’s arbitration offer within four days of being informed of the walkway. This stipulation was agreed to for 2020 only in the CBA negotiations as PA protection against players being dumped late into the free agent market.

For example, if the Rangers’ bid is $4 million and the arbiter’s award is $5.25 million, the team could walk away from it. Strome would then have four days to shop himself on the market, after which he could sign with the Blueshirts for that $4 million.
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One thing with this is that I'd think Strome could find another deal, close to $4M with another team that he now doesn't have a sour taste in his mouth with.

Let's say a team offers him a 1 year $3.5M, and he can take more home without NYS and NYC taxes, he'd probably grab it and be on a team that he knows wants him around.

It would be a dangerous game, especially if others are off the market with his late arbitration date and the Rangers could be left with a larger hole down the middle than what they had with Strome. I still think they either get a deal done or trade him before that.
 
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For example, if the Rangers’ bid is $4 million and the arbiter’s award is $5.25 million, the team could walk away from it. Strome would then have four days to shop himself on the market, after which he could sign with the Blueshirts for that $4 million.
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thanks and i was aiming at that the other day. I asked if a QO could be pulled back yet have mentioned all year i felt ADA and Strome would face arbitration. One year is good if reasonable and that’s why the CBA is in place. I should have asked if the Rangers can pull out of an arbitration dollar amount. Appears they can.
 
So I think we're at the point where I'd say a walk away from Strome's arbitration award is likely.
 
If Larry isn't writing Doom and Gloom about the Rangers then he's not writing at all. He also loves that term "Shadow Roster" to try to fear monger about it not being enough.

One day I hope we can get a real beat writer for this franchise.
 
TheBloodyNine said:
If Larry isn't writing Doom and Gloom about the Rangers then he's not writing at all. He also loves that term "Shadow Roster" to try to fear monger about it not being enough.

One day I hope we can get a real beat writer for this franchise.
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Didn't feel too gloomy reading that one.
 
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Ironically it seems like the Strome arbitration thing is going to work to the Rangers favor.

If the award is high enough for them to walk away (which more likely than not it will be), they'll be able to sign him for cheap. You figure by the time his hearing rolls around the UFA market will largely be settled and most people signed.

No team is giving Ryan Strome 5 million+ right now, so he'll come back to the Rangers at their low ball price.

It's shrewd move and probably damages the relationship between team/player, but it's not like Gorton probably cares about that anyways
 
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