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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVII

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How many teams have the cap space, real money they are willing to spend, and desire to pay more for Strome than what the Rangers will offer him in arbitration?
 
NYSPORTS said:
i never said that.

There is no question you’re sending the Rangers down the Tampa road sooner than later by acquiring Serg who will be a UFA sooner than a Nils who hasn’t even arrived.

By 22/23 you have a flat cap and approx $29 million allocated to only 4 players. Yet the organization has two lottery picks, including seven of eight #1 picks, a stud center and a bunch of talented youth with less than $50 million spend with Laf a RFA the following year.

Yes, that’s the real picture. Just b/c somebody offered a shiny new credit card (Serg) doesn’t mean the four maxed out ones in your wallet (4 signed at $29 million) won’t cost you interest (bonus of all players) on top of that principle you still have no means of paying (the rest of the talented roster).

Your take is “would only be a problem this very season. Down the line not a problem at all.”

Think again

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Hahaha.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. But if what you're saying is true, if every young player excels and all deserve a decent pay, we're screwed with or without a Sergy trade. Not every young player is going to hit. Nils may never play a game here. Chytil could be on another team by 2022 perpetually putting up 30 points. Howden could be who he is. Lindgren could be a career 3rd pairing. Krav could never leave Russia again. While I agree Laf and Kakko will be studs, Fox and Igor as well, everyone else is a ? Both the guys here and the guys who aren't here yet. Can't assume every single player will make an impact and all will be here to get their paydays if that happens. And again if it does (we all hope so right?) tough decisions will have to be made even then.

Yes money is tied up to some big names and Zib's day is coming. Doesn't mean Sergy pushes the team over the cliff. And say he would, you move Kreider. By then maybe you move Trouba. Remember, you "find a way".
 
The Rangers would need to be somewhat careful with that though. If they offer $3.75m and the arbiter awards something over the walk away number, a team like Ottawa or Detroit could easily offer him $4m per season which wouldn't be what the arbiter awarded but still more than the Rangers offered.

Also, I wonder how multi-year contracts are viewed. For example, the Rangers offer will be known publicly I'm sure, so if they offer $4m, that's a 1 year deal. Nothing would stop a team like Ottawa to offer $4.05m x 2 years I believe
 
I was looking into JD's comments about Jack Johnson's PK time. He led the Penguins in PK time with 147 min. Trouba was our leader at 175 min.
JJ's PPGA/60 is 6.50
Trouba's PPGA/60 is 10.28 (gross!)

For reference, some of the NHL's top PPGA/60 (min 40 gms, 100 mins SH TOI):
I'm new to this stat but it seems pretty straight forward. The things this probably doesn't capture is if they were just coming off or on the ice during a goal (less likely on a PP) and of course, whether or not they were at fault.

Nick Jenson, 2.98 @ 160 min
Noah Hanafin 3.61 @ 116 min
Brent Burns 3.81 @ 173 min
Charlie McAvoy 4.43 @ 121 min
Connor Murphy 4.51 @ 159 min
M-E Vlasic 4.59 @ 195 min
OEL 4.83 @ 136 min
Ethan Bear 4.99 @ 132 min
Victor Hedman 5.01 @ 155 min
Jason Demers 5.28 @ 113 min
Brenden Dillon 5.33 @ 146 min
Joel Edmundson 5.34 @ 190 min
Duncan Keith 5.39 @ 166 min
Darnell Nurse 5.40 @ 144 min
Brett Pesce 5.43 @ 198 min
Mark Borowiecki 5.68 @ 126 min

some of the best forwards in this stat are Khaira, Paquette, Aho, RNH, Teravainen, Hagelin, Gourde, Dowd, Jenner, and Foligno (all under 5.00)
Archibald, Bergeron, Goodrow, Marchand, Sheahan, M Karlsson, K Hayes, Stone, Jankowski, Coleman, Namestnikov, D Ryan, McGinn, Zacha, and Dickinson all under 6.00

I guess to paint a clearer picture, the stats for the other pens were:
Letang 7.15 @ 134 min
Marino 5.81 @ 113 min
Pettersson 5.46 @ 87 min
Dumoulin 6.03 @ 59 min

Blueger 6.57 @ 164 min
Tanev 6.03 @ 149 min
Aston-Reese 7.94 @ 90 min
Rust 5.34 @ 89 min

Compare to NY

Trouba 10.28 @ 175 min
Skjei 8.3 @ 151 min
Staal 7.19 @ 141 min
Lindgren 6.95 @ 129 min
Smith 7.49 @ 128 min

Fast 9.23 @ 162 min (yuck!)
Strome 6.89 @ 156 min (surprisingly the best forward stat)
Zibs 8.83 @ 149 min
Howden 9.39 @ 140 min

Is this not a good stat? Are our PKers really that bad? How much of it was Ruff? Was JJ's PPGA/60 pulled down by how good the other PKers were? I hoping Jacque Martin is able to get more out of our PK squad than Ruff.
 
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The PK was bad. It certainly did not pass the eye test either. Maybe Martin makes it better, but it’s hard to say the Rangers have the right personnel too as it stands.
 
Savant said:
The PK was bad. It certainly did not pass the eye test either. Maybe Martin makes it better, but it’s hard to say the Rangers have the right personnel too as it stands.
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The PK has been a problem since the Torts days. The collapsing 4 man d is abysmal strategy idk why we can’t pressure the points like normal teams. Sure it opens you up for the cross crease pass sometimes but it’s better than just getting pelted for 2 minutes straight and never clearing the zone.
 
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The PK has been a problem since the Torts days. The collapsing 4 man d is abysmal strategy idk why we can’t pressure the points like normal teams. Sure it opens you up for the cross crease pass sometimes but it’s better than just getting pelted for 2 minutes straight and never clearing the zone.
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That is another thing that doesn’t pass the eye test. They can’t get the puck out of their own zone at all. The transition play and zone entries are not great either.
 
What players do we want for 2021-22. The season when Zibanejad is cheap and Lafreniere, Kakko and Fox are still on ELC:s. If those 5 are great the Stanley Cup will be interresting! Granlund for two years to begin with?

Kreider - Zibanejad - X
Panarin - X - Kakko
Lafreniere - Chytil - Buchnevich
Lemieux -TBD - TBD

Y - DeAngelo
Y - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox

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Ottawa or Detroit would pay Strome 4.5 for 2 or 3 years. If we walk from the arbitration he is gone and whatever it won't affect the fact that we aren't ready to contend for a cup this year anyway one way or the other. It may put us outside the playoffs though unless we get a replacement that can mesh with Panarin close to how good Strome did. Its whatever but saying he won't get any reasonable offers or that he would come back after we rejected the arbitration isn't realistic I don't think.
 
Off Sides said:
How many teams have the cap space, real money they are willing to spend, and desire to pay more for Strome than what the Rangers will offer him in arbitration?
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Strome will stay ... once the team knows DeAngelo then Georgiev/Lemieux are easy to sign

Whatever’s left is Strome cause look at all the good UFAs avail... he’s an idiot if he pushes the cost over 4.5
 
Does Strome want to sign in Ottawa or Detroit, especially on a multi year?

He is a year away from UFA and would reach it on a one year deal.

Would any team offering him a one year deal put him in a better position to get a better UFA contract after?

I don't think the Rangers need to put the screws to him so to speak, more they just need to make a competitive one year offer. He might even take it prior to any hearing.

Yet I am getting ahead of myself, ADA is up first.
 
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Off Sides said:
How many teams have the cap space, real money they are willing to spend, and desire to pay more for Strome than what the Rangers will offer him in arbitration?
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The answer according to the Hockey Guy is 5 teams.
 
Do we know how much Strome’s camp asked in the arbitration yet? Also not sure if this year arbitration will be more likely to pick a side or split the difference as it often happened in the past.
 
jfc64 said:
What players do we want for 2021-22. The season when Zibanejad is cheap and Lafreniere, Kakko and Fox are still on ELC:s. If those 5 are great the Stanley Cup will be interresting! Granlund for two years to begin with?

Kreider - Zibanejad - X
Panarin - X - Kakko
Lafreniere - Chytil - Buchnevich
Lemieux -TBD - TBD

Y - DeAngelo
Y - Trouba
Lindgren - Fox

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X = Tanner Glass
Y = Malik Marek
 
Off Sides said:
Does Strome want to sign in Ottawa or Detroit, especially on a multi year?

He is a year away from UFA and would reach it on a one year deal.

Would any team offering him a one year deal put him in a better position to get a better UFA contract after?

I don't think the Rangers need to put the screws to him so to speak, more they just need to make a competitive one year offer. He might even take it prior to any hearing.

Yet I am getting ahead of myself, ADA is up first.
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Stromes gonna sign for 4.25 or about for 1 yr and ride out this craziness along with the NYR. ADA at 5.25?
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
Yeah I believe they call it the offseason lol
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What happens if the NHL players don’t get a 3 month break?

Half a season is played, by some. Then a full break. Then half a season is to be played again. What am I missing? Why is the full off season needed?

I think the Premier League had like a 3-4 week break between the end of their season and the new season. Just seems ridiculous to me. Will the fans come back? Some markets will basically not have had any meaningful games for a long long time.

The idea to play in a bubble has proven totally idiotic to start with. These players face a much bigger risk right now then they ever would if hockey was played and they got tested on a regular basis and was monitored by team doctors, even if they travelled around NA and played games in empty arenas.

And the idea that anyone will lose money by playing games in front of empty arenas instead of doing nothing is also tremendously short sighted and can just be accomplished by a flawed system.
 
Brad Treliving was just on SiriusXM.

When asked if Calgary was done with their offseason after adding Markstrom and Tanev, he said they were not done. They are continuing to poke around for a RHD, whether it be through Trade or Free Agency. It wasnt a short quick response. He finished it by going back to mentioning exploring trade and free agency. Just sounds like they are active.

Also very high on Dube. And when asked about Johnny Hockey and trade rumors, he did the ole GM routine of praising the player to cover himself while talking around the rumors.

So to me Calgary is still sorting through their options.
 
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Brad Treliving was just on SiriusXM.

When asked if Calgary was done with their offseason after adding Markstrom and Tanev, he said they were not done. They are continued to poke around for a RHD, whether it be through Trade or Free Agency. It wasnt a short quick response. He finished it by going back to mentioning exploring trade and free agency. Just sounds like they are active.

Also very high on Dube. And when asked about Johnny Hockey and trade rumors, he did the ole GM routine of praising the player to cover himself while talking around the rumors.

So to me Calgary is still sorting through their options.
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Just to clarify did he say specifically they’re looking for RD?

I have a hard time believing they’d still be a suitor for DeAngelo with Tanev in the fold plus Andersson
 
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