Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVII

[Kovalev27]

so we increase the likelihood our team has cap issues? No thanks.

You wouldn’t pay fair market for a 22 23 year old top pairing LD for this club? I absolutely would. You’re going to move on from Tony and Strome this is where to spend your money

 

[bbny]

I think I’ve said it here a few times but a deal around lundkvist and Sergachev makes a lot of sense for both teams. Regardless of how much you like Lundkvist he will be the third right d man here. He won’t play ahead of Trouba and Fox. I personally rather have a guy like Schneider in that 5/6 spot. Lundkvist is a top prospect no question but sometimes you have to move guys if you have a surplus to fill a need and Sergachev would be a great get there.

And for this reason DeAngelo will be gone in a matter of time whether it’s now(don’t think so) next year or the year after as well if he’s not moving to the left side.

I think I would rather have Lundkvist on an ELC for 3 years than have to pay Sergachev when he has been in a sheltered bubble. Don't get me wrong, I'd still probably take a chance on Sergachev, but not for Lundkvist.

I would also hope the Rangers have internally acknowledged that Trouba's NMC goes away just as Lundkvist's ELC would be expiring. That is very good timing if Trouba isn't what you hoped he would be, such that you could pay Lundkvist and have him and Fox slot up on the right side. You could trade out of Trouba's contract at that point.

 

[DutchShamrock]

To the cap experts:
Hypothetically, lets say at the start of the year you are over the cap due to rookie bonuses but by the halfway point of the season you eliminate enough bonuses to hit $2m below the ceiling.

Do you calculate the cap space to the start of the year or do you only get credit from the point you got under?

 

[kovazub94]

Hajek's game from the CHL has not translated all that well to the pros. He has very good puck and skating skills but the offensive component of his game has disappeared. The Rangers I don't think were looking at him being solely a defensive defenseman. IMO he still has things to figure out.

I'd be fine with Hajek looking his offensive game from the CHL but it also looked like the game was too fast (not instinctive) for him on D too. Not ready to write him off but Lindgren beat him for the spot first and now he got other prospects to compete against.

 

[kovazub94]

A guy like Colin Wilsson for a bargain bin contract under 900 k per would not be a bad idea. He would be a bit of a gamble considering his recent injury history. But... he also plays both C and wing and is still not that old (31 in 6 days). Is a certified NHLer though - with some character - that might offset losing Quickie a bit. 632 games, 286 points, decent size, PKer...outta the NYR preferred Northeast USA hockey schools and a BU alumni guy (seems to fit The Mighty Quinn’s preference in every which way). Could be an upgrade providing depth over our signed tweeners that does not break the camels cap back. I have heard that name thrown around a bit. He will likely go late, dirt cheap as the UFA situation looks now. Colorado looks like they have moved on when glancing at their current fwd roster...

I get a sense that the Ranger are done with their bargain bin shopping at forward.

 

[kovazub94]

I think I’ve said it here a few times but a deal around lundkvist and Sergachev makes a lot of sense for both teams. Regardless of how much you like Lundkvist he will be the third right d man here. He won’t play ahead of Trouba and Fox. I personally rather have a guy like Schneider in that 5/6 spot. Lundkvist is a top prospect no question but sometimes you have to move guys if you have a surplus to fill a need and Sergachev would be a great get there.

And for this reason DeAngelo will be gone in a matter of time whether it’s now(don’t think so) next year or the year after as well if he’s not moving to the left side.

Too many additional moves in this chess game.

 

[Greg02]

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I know it's not really fair of me to say this before doing a deep dive into the stats, but I'm immediately skeptical of a stat that says a player who hasn't played a single NHL game is providing twice as much value as Jacob Trouba.

 

[Raspewtin]

I know it's not really fair of me to say this before doing a deep dive into the stats, but I'm immediately skeptical of a stat that says a player who hasn't played a single NHL game is providing twice as much value as Jacob Trouba.

it doesn't say that. it's a projection based on their estimated NHL impact. Trouba's number value was hurt because he had, by far, his worst season as a pro this year statistically.

Dom's GS model is kinda questionable though imo.

Edit: For reference, Trouba's GS grade was +1.8 before the 2020 season.

 

[Kovalev27]

Too many additional moves in this chess game.

there are moves that need to be made regardless. Strome, DeAngelo (eventually) Buchnevich next year these question marks aren’t going away.

 

[NY Lito]

There are cap issues so you are helping the Lightning. You’re giving them a cheap talent while the Rangers get a more expensive talent.

You're giving them a cheap *potential* talent while the Rangers get a more expensive *established* talent. Plus Serg is a LHD. Nils probably isn't playing on a top 2 pair here while Serg would be our #1 LD. ALso he's 22, not like you're trading a kid for a 30+ year old.

Serg was a beast this playoffs, a huge contributor for a Cup team. This would be a no-brainer move.

 

[kovazub94]

there are moves that need to be made regardless. Strome, DeAngelo (eventually) Buchnevich next year these question marks aren’t going away.

You're right but I'd start with addressing these other moves first. Otherwise it would put the Rangers in unfavorable situation potentially losing value there due to the cap.

 

[charliemurphy]

I think I would rather have Lundkvist on an ELC for 3 years than have to pay Sergachev when he has been in a sheltered bubble. Don't get me wrong, I'd still probably take a chance on Sergachev, but not for Lundkvist.

I would also hope the Rangers have internally acknowledged that Trouba's NMC goes away just as Lundkvist's ELC would be expiring. That is very good timing if Trouba isn't what you hoped he would be, such that you could pay Lundkvist and have him and Fox slot up on the right side. You could trade out of Trouba's contract at that point.

This should also coincide with Schneider being ready as well. Lots of discussions as to how polished and ready Schneider already is but I believe he will spend one more year with the Kings before getting time with the Wolfpack. I agree in holding on to Lundkvist.

 

[GAGLine]

To the cap experts:
Hypothetically, lets say at the start of the year you are over the cap due to rookie bonuses but by the halfway point of the season you eliminate enough bonuses to hit $2m below the ceiling.

Do you calculate the cap space to the start of the year or do you only get credit from the point you got under?

We are allowed to exceed the cap by 6.1125 mil due to potential performance bonuses. Bonuses that aren't earned aren't actually charged against the cap, but they have to be accounted for until they are no longer attainable.

We can't have cap + potential bonuses in excess of 87.6125 mil at any time, but we only accrue daily cap hits based on actual cap spent, and bonuses aren't spent until they are deemed to be earned at the end of the season.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I know! I was just saying or asking rather, does that style work with the up tempo style of Kreider? Datsyuk was another player who slowed things down but his tempo control was bonkers and he could lull you to sleep and then take a burst of speed to make an explosive play.
Does Jumbo not slow the play down anymore?

I guess just less efficacy/results. Datsyuk was awesome--float like a butterfly, sting like a bee... the Russian supervillain... they banned superheroes there... don't let Panarin fool you. He's a wolf in mink's clothing.

 

[Ola]

The NHL is running a 3 month break now. I have kind of a hard time understanding why. All other sport leagues, at least in Europe, is playing for full.

 

[Kovalev27]

I fail to see what changes from dec to Jan in terms of the virus other than maybe they’re hoping to get a month closer to vaccines but even if vaccines were released today half this country will refuse to take them according to polling data so the return to normalcy in terms of full buildings isn’t coming anytime soon

I believe the nhl is going to waste valuable time in terms of interest in the league and they should figure out a way to start by Jan 1 the latest with the winter classic in a building that will allow 25% capacity

 

[SA16]

They will trade Killorn and Palat before they will let go of Cirelli or Sergachev

And what if Palat, like Tyler Johnson, doesn't want to leave? Trading just Killorn isn't enough. Even Killorn has a 16 team NTC and if he wanted to try and stay and make things difficult he could have just made his list the top 16 teams with the most cap space available.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The NHL is running a 3 month break now. I have kind of a hard time understanding why. All other sport leagues, at least in Europe, is playing for full.

Well the season just ended a week a half ago, probably something to do with it

 

[Vitto79]

Strome will be signed last so they will say we have this much left or we have to walk away

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The NHL is holding out hope a vaccine will be available early in 2021 so they can get back to packing the arenas ASAP

Whether or not that's a realistic wish from them is a different story. They're gonna have to do limited capacity though in some form, whether they like it or not

 

[Greg02]

it doesn't say that. it's a projection based on their estimated NHL impact. Trouba's number value was hurt because he had, by far, his worst season as a pro this year statistically.

Dom's GS model is kinda questionable though imo.

Edit: For reference, Trouba's GS grade was +1.8 before the 2020 season.

Sorry, I guess I should have said "will provide" instead of "is providing". Am I interpreting it wrong? My initial read is that GSVA is how much good or bad you're providing or expected to provide to your team, and 1.2 is twice as valuable as .6.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

The NHL is running a 3 month break now. I have kind of a hard time understanding why. All other sport leagues, at least in Europe, is playing for full.

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IDK what this chart is, but it sure ain't indicative of the numbers in the US. We had over 46K new cases and 338 new deaths yesterday... and that was the best day by *far* for the last week.

And you'll pardon me for saying this, but one death is too many for me. I'm not sacrificing my 73-year-old, pneumonia survivor mother so you can watch hockey.

 

[Ola]

Well the season just ended a week a half ago, probably something to do with it

A 3 month break?

 

[Ola]

IDK what this chart is, but it sure ain't indicative of the numbers in the US. We had over 46K new cases and 338 new deaths yesterday... and that was the best day by *far* for the last week.

And you'll pardon me for saying this, but one death is too many for me. I'm not sacrificing my 73-year-old, pneumonia survivor mother so you can watch hockey.

Is she a 2nd line center? Otherwise I think the NHL can survive without her on the roads!!

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

A 3 month break?

Yeah I believe they call it the offseason lol