Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXVII

[MarkMessyay11]

I kinda don't want to make definitive statements about the guy but I don't think he handled it all very well either. I would suspect both sides have some blame here but the way Lias handled it seems off. The Rangers come across as maybe more cold and cutthroat in all of this perhaps but Lias has been all over the place, especially after it seems JD reached out to him and all and he made some noises like he appreciated all that and then he turns around and stabs them in the back as soon as he gets traded like he wanted.
Maybe the Rangers didn't handle things great but ultimately they didn't play hardball with him over all of this and facilitated a trade for him to a team where his goddamn dad works and then, like I said, he stabs them in the back. It still feels like a real lack of maturity on his part.

I've been in the same boat as you since this "situation" started. I tried giving him the benefit of the doubt, even after we traded him. But the more he opens his mouth, the more it rubs me the wrong way. There's been no public indication of what really went down, but it seems more and more like the issues stemmed from his expectations vs. the reality he faced. I'm sure there were underlying nuances that both sides could have handled better. But nothing he's said since he up and left has convinced me that it wasn't him just stomping his foot and being dramatic because he felt he was being treated unfairly.

I hope it works out for him though. And if he really does have some mental challenges, I hope he addresses them before attempting to make another run at the NHL. Maturity is a huge part of that, but sometimes people just don't get there.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I think Lias has every right to be pissed with how things went down here, especially with how they treated Howden when he really didn't deserve it, but you gotta just suck it up and keep it to yourself.

The pick was poisoned from the beginning, but maybe things will work in LA

I'm not losing sleep over what he said though

 

[Fitzy]

The trade market is Borked right now. Schmidt for a 3rd?? Just keep ADA and Strome for this year until we figure out what the hell is going on.

 

[Raspewtin]

lias andersson got more value in a trade than a top 4 D and i think that’s pretty epic

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I think Lias has every right to be pissed with how things went down here, especially with how they treated Howden when he really didn't deserve it,

If that is how Lias thinks, he will never make it in this league.

 

[Fitzy]

If that is how Lias thinks, he will never make it in this league.

I kind of hope he does, just so he can get booed mercilessly at the garden his entire career.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If that is how Lias thinks, he will never make it in this league.

cue *[email protected]

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

The trade market is Borked right now. Schmidt for a 3rd?? Just keep ADA and Strome for this year until we figure out what the hell is going on.

We didn’t back ourselves into a corner by signing an insane contract while in cap hell

I don’t know why people keep acting like the Schmidt return is even somewhat indicative of a potential ADA return. We aren’t being forced to trade him, we are shopping him because he’s a luxury. It’s not even remotely comparable.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

cue *[email protected]

 

[MarkMessyay11]

We didn’t back ourselves into a corner by signing an insane contract while in cap hell

I don’t know why people keep acting like the Schmidt return is even somewhat indicative of a potential ADA return. We aren’t being forced to trade him, we are shopping him because he’s a luxury. It’s not even remotely comparable.

Agreed. And, all considering, the return for Schmidt was pretty good. I thought Vegas was going to have to give up an asset to move salary. The fact that they didn't is in a win by itself.

 

[itsPLkielbasa]

Same, Lisa

Can we just chant Lisa whenever he's back for like the entire game? What a entitled little ****.

 

[kovazub94]

AMFYOYO

Agree with the sentiment and really impressed with the format of your reaction!

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Don't let the electric wire trip you on the way out.

Was funny when it happened but is now EPIC after all the crap he pulled.

 

[dshea19]

Lias may believe that he didn't get the opportunities that he should have. However, my argument is that there is nothing he did in the NHL that made it evident that he was better than other players he was competing against. Nothing in his game demanded playing time. He was invisible when I watched. That is not to say that he will never be a good player or anything close to that. We also don't know how his practices went, or his conversations with coaches and management. We do know what he said, which is that he wasn't sleeping well, which greatly affects everything else. At the end of the day, they gave him chances to separate himself from other players on the ice. He didn't do anything to merit playing time. You can make good cases that they should have left him in Europe to develop instead of bringing him over. No denying that. However, if he feels he was treated unfairly, I would disagree with that completely. He may not have gotten the right attention, or the situationally correct attention, but it wasn't unfair. When all is said and done, his best game play only happened in the preseason against other team's half NHL lineups, but his NHL time was at best mediocre.

 

[Leetch3]

who cares about the loser...he is the kings problem now

 

[Kendo]

No thread for re-signing PDG?

 

[haveandare]

I think Lias has every right to be pissed with how things went down here, especially with how they treated Howden when he really didn't deserve it, but you gotta just suck it up and keep it to yourself.

The pick was poisoned from the beginning, but maybe things will work in LA

I'm not losing sleep over what he said though

I agree to some extent but the fact is that nothing happened to him that doesn’t happen to dozens of guys around the league every year. Sometimes guys you perform marginally better than make the cut when you don’t, and there are all kinds of perfectly logical reasons that can happen. I personally do believe he was better than howden in camp but not nearly to the extent where howden sticking over him justified the absurd behavior that followed.

 

[Levitate]

Will be very interesting in Vegas this season.

Listening to Hockey Central and Marek again reiterates he is hearing there are a number of unhappy guys in that locker room.

Because of the Fleury shenanigans or how they're trying to build their team?

Also, re-reading Andersson's comments, they're not that bad...but again it feels like a situation where maybe it's best for everyone to just say "I'm happy to part of the Kings organization now" and leave it at that.

 

[rangers1314]

Because of the Fleury shenanigans or how they're trying to build their team?

Also, re-reading Andersson's comments, they're not that bad...but again it feels like a situation where maybe it's best for everyone to just say "I'm happy to part of the Kings organization now" and leave it at that.

They've had a lot of roster churn, apparently it's not sitting well with some guys.

Schmidt was a very popular guy in that locker room.

 

[huerter]

Panarin - Zib - Kakko
Kreider - Jumbo - Buch
Laf - Strome - Chytil
Lemieux - Howden - Gauthier

Chara - DeAngelo
Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I was big time in Lias' corner for basically his whole time here.

But after everything he did after his last demotion and everything that came out in the media, I can comfortable say good riddance.

 

[Miamipuck]

Too bad Vancouver went the way it did, we would have never heard about him.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

I agree to some extent but the fact is that nothing happened to him that doesn’t happen to dozens of guys around the league every year. Sometimes guys you perform marginally better than make the cut when you don’t, and there are all kinds of perfectly logical reasons that can happen. I personally do believe he was better than howden in camp but not nearly to the extent where howden sticking over him justified the absurd behavior that followed.

There's another piece of the Howden/Lias puzzle that's missing, and it's how the coaches perceived how both players handled the situation. If Howden kept his head down, grinded out his opportunities, and said all the right things while Lias did the opposite, it shouldn't be a surprise that they chose to keep the more mature player.

That's all obviously just speculation on my part, but I'll call it an educated guess.

 

[NYRangers0723]

I really don’t have much sympathy for Lias. I wish him well but he had a ton of attitude problems and immaturity. Did the Rangers handle it the best way? Probably not but it’s clear this kid wanted something handed to him but didn’t do well enough to earn it. Chytil was drafted at the same time as alias but he did much more to warrant more ice time and didn’t complain

 

[Edge]

I wasn't a fan of our approach to Andersson the last year, and I still think there's a good NHL potential lurking in there.

But having said that, this kid has managed to get on the wrong side of some people who are genuinely hard to piss off and his reactions border on narcissistic at best, and almost sociopathic at worst.