Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXV

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There's some stuff going on there that we won't get into on here.

From what Andersson himself has said it sounds like he was frustrated to not make the Rangers, maybe upset and not feeling like he was given a fair shot, and that he has a history of emotional outbursts and "spirals of doom" where he gets into self destructive behavior when feeling frustrated/down on things (in this case staying up late, not taking care of himself, performing poorly on the ice because of it, causing more doom spiral, etc) until he couldn't take it and went back to where he was comfortable and had family support etc.

Who's to blame? Dunno. Maybe the Rangers didn't give him enough of a chance, or maybe they were disappointed in his ability to play at NHL pace as has been hinted at. Maybe they didn't treat him well enough and support him or maybe he had unrealistic expectations and some personal issues to work out with how he handled it.
If there's more to it than that...then it's tough, you want to support your players but also not play favorites.
Ultimately, pretty weird.

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Ya think?

Add Kravstov, Hajek and Howden to the list..


I mean, Howden for shoving him into the NHL early but Hajek was playing in the CHL and went to the AHL and has played there for more than he has played in the NHL.

Me too but he was rushed.
You can't do that with kids that just aren't ready..

Eh, he rushed himself, and there's the complication of no transfer agreement between the NHL and KHL. When his contract expired in Russia he wanted to sign with the Rangers. It seems he got so hyped up thinking he was gonna make it that when he didn't it was rough on him, but he has regrouped well enough
 
He had the right to, he had a tough time adjusting to na at first and the rangers gave him that clause to return to Russia knowing it was a possibility it would happen. This 100% not like Lias who left outta nowhere and then requested a trade. Also the way they handled their development is TOTALLY different. You dont need 2 functioning braincells to figure that out.

You don't need one functioning brain cell to figure out that they were rushed lol
 
Do we have a complied list of all the unqualified out there. ? So far only Wallmark is interesting name I have seen.
 
You don't need one functioning brain cell to figure out that they were rushed lol

Can you spell out explicitly how you think they rushed Kravtsov?
Do you think they should have let him sign another contract in the KHL and stay there for another 2-3 years?

If so that's a valid point of view but I'm trying to clarify what "rushed" here means
 
You don't need one functioning brain cell to figure out that they were rushed lol
Lias- Yes
Krav- No
Kravtsov, Unlike Lias, hasn’t been stuck on the 4th line playing under 10 minutes a night. And if you look at how he was preforming in the KHL before the injury he was showing a lot of improvement.
 
While I do not think they'll be great or anything, saying Howden and Hajek suck I think is a little much. I do not really like either player in terms of thinking they'll be much more than 4th line/bottom pair / depth, but that is not because the Rangers rushed them. More so if anything the Rangers maybe thought they were getting better already drafted prospects than they were really getting. The scouting there I'd question.

That is a little different than them signing Lias, Chytil at the first possible opportunity and putting them on the NHL roster game 1.
 
From what Andersson himself has said it sounds like he was frustrated to not make the Rangers, maybe upset and not feeling like he was given a fair shot, and that he has a history of emotional outbursts and "spirals of doom" where he gets into self destructive behavior when feeling frustrated/down on things (in this case staying up late, not taking care of himself, performing poorly on the ice because of it, causing more doom spiral, etc) until he couldn't take it and went back to where he was comfortable and had family support etc.

Who's to blame? Dunno. Maybe the Rangers didn't give him enough of a chance, or maybe they were disappointed in his ability to play at NHL pace as has been hinted at. Maybe they didn't treat him well enough and support him or maybe he had unrealistic expectations and some personal issues to work out with how he handled it.
If there's more to it than that...then it's tough, you want to support your players but also not play favorites.
Ultimately, pretty weird.



I mean, Howden for shoving him into the NHL early but Hajek was playing in the CHL and went to the AHL and has played there for more than he has played in the NHL.



Eh, he rushed himself, and there's the complication of no transfer agreement between the NHL and KHL. When his contract expired in Russia he wanted to sign with the Rangers. It seems he got so hyped up thinking he was gonna make it that when he didn't it was rough on him, but he has regrouped well enough

You honestly think maybe JG shouldn't have had a better gauge on the situation?

This is 101 level decision making here but I'm not getting into anymore..
 
Can you spell out explicitly how you think they rushed Kravtsov?
Do you think they should have let him sign another contract in the KHL and stay there for another 2-3 years?

If so that's a valid point of view but I'm trying to clarify what "rushed" here means

AHL
 
While I do not think they'll be great or anything, saying Howden and Hajek suck I think is a little much. I do not really like either player in terms of thinking they'll be much more than 4th line/bottom pair / depth, but that is not because the Rangers rushed them. More so if anything the Rangers maybe thought they were getting better already drafted prospects than they were really getting. The scouting there I'd question.

That is a little different than them signing Lias, Chytil at the first possible opportunity and putting them on the NHL roster game 1.

Get it straight..Saying they aren't ready and sucking are 2 way different things.
 
Not unpossible, but definitely not part of their long-term planning.

Are they steadfast on that? What if they went into this year with DeAngelo on the left and it turned out far better than they thought it might? I'd like to think they would be flexible enough to move off their position on it and do what works, if it works.
 
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Not saying I want to keep him but that's gotta be a horrible feeling for a player after you busted your ass fighting for your next contract.

I guess that's just the nature of the beast..

On the flip side I’d give him some term if he’d take only a very small raise and no NTC. Strome, I mean.
 

uhhhh

then I'm not understanding your point. They did send Kravtsov to the AHL. He has never played in the NHL. He wasn't ready for the NHL so they sent him down, he played a couple of games and then decided he wanted to go back to the KHL.
Things went rough for him there so they brought him back and finished out the year in the KHL

We have some kind of disconnect here on what happened?

e: or are you saying they should have just sent him right back to the KHL to start with?

While I do not think they'll be great or anything, saying Howden and Hajek suck I think is a little much. I do not really like either player in terms of thinking they'll be much more than 4th line/bottom pair / depth, but that is not because the Rangers rushed them. More so if anything the Rangers maybe thought they were getting better already drafted prospects than they were really getting. The scouting there I'd question.

That is a little different than them signing Lias, Chytil at the first possible opportunity and putting them on the NHL roster game 1.

I like Hajek's tools but he somehow just seems to lack a little something so far...he's a big mobile rangy guy who looks like he should be able to move the puck well but I think his decision making has just been a tick behind in the NHL so far.

Howden maybe just needs more time but also maybe needs lower expectations from the coaching staff
 
Kravstov?

He actually left the organization.

What do you attribute that to?
What do you attribute Chytil, Lindgren, Fox, DeAngelo and Shesterkin to?

This org’s development has proven to be effective. Spoiler: some kids just can’t hack it.

Your lack of appreciation for the difficulty and complexity of running a successful professional sports franchise is just...
 
I would love to see Kravtsov stay in the KHL for at least the rest of the season. Continue to mature physically and get stronger then come over next year and really be a factor at RW.
He will be almost 22. Last thing I want is having him come over and being stuck on the 4th line and obviously not getting much pp time with the forwards we have right now.
 
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Are they steadfast on that? What if they went into this year with DeAngelo on the left and it turned out far better than they thought it might? I'd like to think they would be flexible enough to move off their position on it and do what works, if it works.

For a guy who has trouble in his own end on his right side, thinking it will go better on a side he isn't comfortable on isn't realistic. Imo he is the last guy of the 3 id move to the other side. No team likes the imbalance, and other teams target players on their off side because it takes longer to get the puck to your forehand. If you watched the last series Vegas played in it was basically a game plan to force the left shooting dmen on the right side into rushed decisions and it was really obvious.
 
Can someone inform Larry Brooks about the walk away for this offseason?

The fact is the Rangers have been trying to trade for a center and were unable to pull it off as the qualifying-offer deadline neared. They will continue to pursue what they believe is an upgrade in the middle for Artemi Panarin’s line. If Strome’s arbitration award is too rich for the Blueshirts’ blood, that’s the time they’ll walk away.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/07/range...&utm_source=NYPSportsTwitter&sr_share=twitter

For 2020, in the event a Club exercises their Walk-Away Right (pursuant to Section 12.10 of the CBA) relating to a one-year Salary Arbitration award, the Player may within four (4) days of receipt of notice from the Club that they are exercising their Walk-Away Right, elect to enter into an SPC with the Club on the same terms as the Club had offered in the Club’s Salary Arbitration Brief.

Page 59 of the MOU-New CBA

Strome can enter into an SPC with the Rangers for the number they offered in their brief. That might be the best offer Strome will have.
 
I would love to see Kravtsov stay in the KHL for at least the rest of the season. Continue to mature physically and get stronger then come over next year and really be a factor at RW.
He will be almost 22. Last thing I want is having him come over and being stuck on the 4th line and obviously not getting much pp time with the forwards we have right now.

I tend to agree with this.

Last season was a total wash for him. It’s going very well for him right now in the KHL, don’t mess with a good thing.
 
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I would love to see Kravtsov stay in the KHL for at least the rest of the season. Continue to mature physically and get stronger then come over next year and really be a factor at RW.
He will be almost 22. Last thing I want is having him come over and being stuck on the 4th line and obviously not getting much pp time with the forwards we have right now.

I think you'll get your wish.
 
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I would love to see Kravtsov stay in the KHL for at least the rest of the season. Continue to mature physically and get stronger then come over next year and really be a factor at RW.
He will be almost 22. Last thing I want is having him come over and being stuck on the 4th line and obviously not getting much pp time with the forwards we have right now.

Eh yeah agree, who knows what's going on with the NHL season at this point. might as well leave him be, let Gauthier have a run at it, if things are maybe back to "normal" in 21'22 then he'll be more prepared to make an impact
 
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Eh yeah agree, who knows what's going on with the NHL season at this point. might as well leave him be, let Gauthier have a run at it, if things are maybe back to "normal" in 21'22 then he'll be more prepared to make an impact
A great thing right now he's playing and doing well just hope his injury isn't anything serious and he's back soon. He's the only hockey we have left right now lol
 
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