Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LXI

[RangersFan1994]

I'm sure they'd like to bring Fast back but I don't think they're going to up their offer to him just because Buchnevich could/will be traded. I think they'll look to the outside to address that hole with someone who has a bit more offense to their game.

if they are gonna rely on Fast to replace Buchnevich, another lottery season here we come. Fast is overrated. he is just a 4th liner that can play with top lines and not look out of place but in the offensive zone he is useless. Fast should be a defenseman.

 

[duhmetreE]

It’s amazing how many people don’t want a fairly consistent young 30 goal 35 assist center with size and a willingness to drive the net.

That's been a major issue for quite some time now

 

[wafflepadsave]

I need this to be expanded upon.

I saw a picture of the Rangers draft room. Was looking for name tags like @bobbop and @Edge but didn’t see them. Getting nervous.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

he is overrated and not even that good, rather just bring back Brassard if they want someone like that. he actually is a better player.

No he isn’t lol

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I saw a picture of the Rangers draft room. Was looking for name tags like @bobbop and @Edge but didn’t see them. Getting nervous.

Duhhh, those are their alias’s. They can’t be using their real names with all the information they bless us with in a regular basis.

I imagine their real names are something along the lines of...

 

[DutchShamrock]

What if the Rangers still like Monahan a lot even if they prefer Lindholm? Perhaps they see both of them as quality targets.

They can proceed with a different piece from Buchnevich. Monahan is a good player but their 1st line was not an answer in the playoffs. Hanafin is a good player but he wasn't an answer in the playoffs. They have one right d signed for next season. Gorton should not be solving all of the Calgary Flames' problems if his prices aren't being met.

Calgary wants to get over the hump. They obviously view Buchnevich and Deangelo as players to help in both seasons. At the same time, they are trading us players that have come up short in the post season multiple years. I am not parting from my controlled 60 point right d and my top line right wing if I can't even get my #1 target.

There are enough teams looking for a lifeline that I'll gamble on finding a center elsewhere. I'm not gutting my right side if I don't get my guy. We don't know the sweeteners so I suppose I'll reserve judgement until then. I just have an issue with the under appreciation for Buchnevich in general. He is poised for a big year.

 

[RGY]

He’s played at a 50 point level despite getting no power play time, difficult matchups, and having shit line mates.

he’s a good f***ing player who fits in well. Just because he’s not flashy doesn’t mean he’s a tweener. He’s easily a quality 2C.

Great. That is your opinion. I dont see him as some standout 2C. Certainly not one I trade Buchnevich AND the 22OA for. I am even hesitant to deal Buchnevich for him because Danault needs a new contract next year and no doubt he will want a good raise.

 

[wafflepadsave]

And

Rangers peeps are fairly quite right now, which usually means they are deep into two things:

Evaluating talent (their own and the draft), and/or engaged in longer conversations with other teams.

In this case, I believe it's both.

why aren’t you in those meetings Mr?

 

[Matt Rentfree]

They can proceed with a different piece from Buchnevich. Monahan is a good player but their 1st line was not an answer in the playoffs. Hanafin is a good player but he wasn't an answer in the playoffs. They have one right d signed for next season. Gorton should not be solving all of the Calgary Flames' problems if his prices aren't being met.

Calgary wants to get over the hump. They obviously view Buchnevich and Deangelo as players to help in both seasons. At the same time, they are trading us players that have come up short in the post season multiple years. I am not parting from my controlled 60 point right d and my top line right wing if I can't even get my #1 target.

There are enough teams looking for a lifeline that I'll gamble on finding a center elsewhere. I'm not gutting my right side if I don't get my guy. We don't know the sweeteners so I suppose I'll reserve judgement until then. I just have an issue with the under appreciation for Buchnevich in general. He is poised for a big year.

My sentiments exactly.

 

[Edge]

And

why aren’t you in those meetings Mr?

Overslept.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Great. That is your opinion. I dont see him as some standout 2C. Certainly not one I trade Buchnevich AND the 22OA for. I am even hesitant to deal Buchnevich for him because Danault needs a new contract next year and no doubt he will want a good raise.

I wouldn’t make that deal either but Danault is good

if we could get him for like 22 and Reunanen or something I’d do that

 

[duhmetreE]

Treliving: 'Our two biggest needs are goaltending and defence'



what could Georgiev (not that I want to move him) DeAngelo and Buchnevich and 22 to Flames net the Rangers??

Georgiev, Buchnevich, DeAngelo, 22ed overall to Flames for Elias Lindholm, Sam Bennett and Noah Hanafin

Take out ADA

Buch, Georgiev and 22/Lias for Lindholm

I'd do that

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Would anyone even be bringing up Hanifin if he were a 3rd round pick?

 

[Edge]

Take out ADA

Buch, Georgiev and 22/Lias for Lindholm

I'd do that

Maybe even take out Buch and see what ADA and Georgiev gets you.

 

[bobbop]

I saw a picture of the Rangers draft room. Was looking for name tags like @bobbop and @Edge but didn’t see them. Getting nervous.

Oh, I wish!

 

[RGY]

I wouldn’t make that deal either but Danault is good

if we could get him for like 22 and Reunanen or something I’d do that

I would be more amenable to this.

But I am torn on Danault in general. No he isn’t a terrible player. He has a lot of value. But his contract situation gives me significant pause. And then having to give up the value in assets to get him. What happens if he has a 60-70 point season playing next to Panarin and then says I really wanna get paid. And then are we paying him for the player he really is or are we paying for the boost from being next to Panarin a la Strome?

I would rather Monahan @ $6.35 AAV for the next 3 years who has much more offensive talent to place next to Panarin

 

[Kovalev27]

He’s played at a 50 point level despite getting no power play time, difficult matchups, and having shit line mates.

he’s a good f***ing player who fits in well. Just because he’s not flashy doesn’t mean he’s a tweener. He’s easily a quality 2C.

i mean we literally need an elite 2 way 2C that kills penalties takes important match up mins and is a defensive presence. Not sure where people think guys like this become avail. Guy puts up 50 pts playing with nobodies and almost no pp time.

then take a look at his analytics and they’ll tell you he’s one of the better centers in the league frankly. Not sure I agree with that but the numbers say it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I would be more amenable to this.

But I am torn on Danault in general. No he isn’t a terrible player. He has a lot of value. But his contract situation gives me significant pause. And then having to give up the value in assets to get him. What happens if he has a 60-70 point season playing next to Panarin and then says I really wanna get paid. And then are we paying him for the player he really is or are we paying for the boost from being next to Panarin a la Strome?

I would rather Monahan @ $6.35 AAV for the next 3 years who has much more offensive talent to place next to Panarin

Thats why you extend him before he has a chance to do that.

He'll come in cheaper than Monahan currently is most likely AND he's an actual fit here.

 

[RGY]

i mean we literally need an elite 2 way 2C that kills penalties takes important match up mins and is a defensive presence. Not sure where people think guys like this become avail. Guy puts up 50 pts playing with nobodies and almost no pp time.

We need PKers absolutely. And I certainly think you can find those for much cheaper given the financial / economic landscape this year to play in your bottom 6. I dont need my 2C taking on that task. In fact I dont particularly like that Zibanejad has to do it now, as good as he is on the Pk

 

[Ghost of jas]

Would anyone even be bringing up Hanifin if he were a 3rd round pick?

Yes, since it’s been disclosed that the Rangers have inquired about him.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Some options I could think of with the Flames:

• ADA and Georgiev for Monahan or Lindholm.
• ADA, Buch and #22 for Monahan/Lindholm, Hanafin and #19
• ADA, Georgiev and the #22 for Monahan/Lindholm and Hanafin.
• Buch and Georgiev for Lindholm.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I mean you could argue that our wings, and our future wings could make it a better fit than a pass-first type center.

Panarin and Zibanejad had good chemistry last year (though that can be somewhat easier to overlook because of Strome). But Lafreniere and Monahan is certainly an intriguing possibility when you look at both guys strengths and style.

But I do think it's okay if someone like Monahan, or Lindholm, or whoever is "only" a several year player for us. I honestly don't think that's inherently a bad thing, or something we should necessarily shy away from.

It's great when a guy plays 5 or 7 years with us, but the truth is that its the exception more than the rule --- especially when you get beyond "franchise" players.

Bolded is a great point. I'll be honest I think as a fan I am still wrapping a head around where the NYR are as a franchise.

For years and years, I looked at (almost) every rumored acquisition as, does this player have to potential to be a core piece for the NYR on a Cup run? Can they be a long term piece to help Hank get a Cup? Chance to develop into an elite talent?

Over the last 2+ years but really 1+ year, the NYR took care of that (or at least management and we have to plan as if they did). Panarin, Trouba, Fox acquired to go with Zibanejad. Kakko, "1OA" (I'm not super stitious but I am a little stitious) added to Shesty, Kravtsov, Lundqvist, Miller, Chytil.

The core is built (or said another way, management / we have to act as if the core is built). From here it is about surrounding that core in the best way possible. But it is less important to view the potential acquisition of those surrounding pieces through the lens of "could they become core pieces."

 

[DutchShamrock]

My sentiments exactly.

And I don't mean to poo poo the deal out right or any specific piece involved. I'm just not a fan of the equation, which admittedly is pure speculation.

Maybe I'm way off base but if Lindholm is off limits then I pull Buch and swap in Strome and Georgiev. That's a cap savings right off the bat for Calgary. They can see if Strome fits their center need or he can play the right if Lindholm is the pivot.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I would be more amenable to this.

But I am torn on Danault in general. No he isn’t a terrible player. He has a lot of value. But his contract situation gives me significant pause. And then having to give up the value in assets to get him. What happens if he has a 60-70 point season playing next to Panarin and then says I really wanna get paid. And then are we paying him for the player he really is or are we paying for the boost from being next to Panarin a la Strome?

I would rather Monahan @ $6.35 AAV for the next 3 years who has much more offensive talent to place next to Panarin

Personally it’s either/or for me. I like Monahan offensive upside next to Panarin or Laf and I like Danault’s ability to provide stable two way play while being an offensive presence in his own right. I’d be happy with either.

Also we could give Danault an extension this offseason and get him cheap before he pops off playing next to Bread or Laf

 

[NYR Viper]

Would anyone even be bringing up Hanifin if he were a 3rd round pick?

Yes,, at 23 years old with the type of NHL experience and pedigree he has and the fact that he has been a solid top-4 d-man for a couple of years I would hope so.

That's like asking would anyone be bringing up Lindholm if he were a 3rd round pick? Of course, he's a good player.