Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LVII

[UAGoalieGuy]

Buyout period starts Saturday?

 

[gravey9]

I wouldn't move anything for Barkov, I'd rather take my chances trying to sign him straight up in free agency

But if they did trade for him, the last thing I'd be worried about is how they'd get him signed. If they were to acquire him, aside from Lafreniere there is literally no other player who would be more important to the team than Barkov. They'll get him signed if that happens

We don't need Barkov unless we're dumping Zibanejad. We simply can't afford to give Barkov, Zibby, Panarin, Trouba and Kreider what they're getting and pay for 2nd contracts for Fox, Kakko, Lafreniere, Kravtsov, Chytil, Lundkvist, Shesterkin, Miller, etc etc etc. If you're adding Barkov and want him beyond UFA, than you need to remove one of the other vets.

 

[Leetch3]

I wouldn't move anything for Barkov, I'd rather take my chances trying to sign him straight up in free agency

But if they did trade for him, the last thing I'd be worried about is how they'd get him signed. If they were to acquire him, aside from Lafreniere there is literally no other player who would be more important to the team than Barkov. They'll get him signed if that happens

There is no way you can afford to sign both Mika and Barkov and they are UFAs the same year...so the reason to trade for him (if the price is acceptable) is to get 2 years with both guys together. then you could recoup the assets by trading mika for a haul and extending barkov who is younger.

 

[Mikos87]

Joonas Donskoi Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Donskoi came into the NHL as a 23 year old player from Europe. I don't get how they can't get players like this that contribute at the NHL level.

Karlsson from the Sharks also same type of player that teams took a chance on

Melker Karlsson Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

both would be an upgrade over the 4th line. Rangers should look at the pro teams in Europe for a bargin. I mean Zuccarello was another free agent from Europe.

European Pro scouting. It's one of the more underserviced aspect of scouting. Since so many guys who can't play in the NHL go over there or once guys are over a certain age teams don't track them. There are plenty of good skaters over in Europe.

Sometimes making the NHL isn't about merit as much as it is exposure and opportunity. There are guys who play the game, who know who the gems are. Tarasenko told the Blues to sign Panarin well before he came over with Chicago.

The Rangers own Dylan McIlrath told them about a 16 Year Old Brayden Point. Dylan knew right away, when Brayden got called up and Moose Jaw went on a run in the playoffs back in the day.

 

[True Blue]

There’s a big difference between 2 and 4 years.

I am not saying that is not, but that is still a good range

 

[True Blue]

Probably too rich for our blood.

Would probably look something like this:

Chytil + Buchnevich + Robertson/Miller/Jones + 2021 1st + 2022 1st with protections. Might even need another piece or two.

There is a very good chance that Kakko would be included in this.

That said, not realistic as the Rangers simply cannot afford him.

 

[Avery16]

Probably (especially long-term) but you still could use it as a variable for comparison between two options (e.g. Smith vs. Staal). Smith could partner with Trouba for a bit, could be used at either RD or LD, could fill in on the 4th line if needed, let's say if there's an injury bug and bringing someone from the AHL or adding a contract is not an option.

We can dress Smith in goalie equipment too, but that doesn't mean he'll be any good, or any better than he is in any of the other positions we shoe-horn him into. This is the biggest myth- he isnt versatile, he's just not good at anything so keeps getting moved around.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Not sure it needs to be a long-term (though I guess that depends on your definition of what those words mean) so much as a short-medium term. Strome as a stop-gap for 2-4 years allows for the Rangers to see what Chytil is and if lacking, guage the trade market. And if Chytil proves himself within that time frame, no real big deal. Strome slides down to third line or plays wing on the middle two. Or is dealt.

A 2-4 year deal for Strome as a stop gap is a no-loose proposition.

4 years is a massive risk.

Anything above 2 would be a colossal mistake.

 

[Raspewtin]

That's fair. But his usefulness at forward would be the ability to fill in in a pinch and save the Rangers money. Not that this is a long term solution there or that he would play 60+ games at forward.

11 forwards is a better option than Smith at forward. No question. Smith should not spend another minute at the NHL level at forward. He was that bad.

 

[Irishguy42]

Buyout period starts Saturday?

Yes, it'll start on the 25th (tomorrow), and then go to October 8th (since other option was SCF+6 days but 10/8 will be later than that)

 

[haohmaru]

There’s a big difference between 2 and 4 years.

2 years if my math is right.

 

[True Blue]

4 years is a massive risk.

Anything above 2 would be a colossal mistake.

We will need to disagree. I do not view 3 or 4 years as either a massive risk or a colossal mistake. The right time to evaluate the situation.

What is the worst thing? That he continues to produce with Panarin at a 55-60 point rate instead of 70?

 

[RangersFan1994]

Let's get ready for another year of Staal and another year of how the prospects suck because they can't beat out Marc Staal as a 5-6th defenseman.

 

[Raspewtin]

We will need to disagree. I do not view 3 or 4 years as either a massive risk or a colossal mistake. The right time to evaluate the situation.

What is the worst thing? That he continues to produce with Panarin at a 55-60 point rate instead of 70?

That he reverts to the same 30-35 point player he always was before this year.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Probably too rich for our blood.

Would probably look something like this:

Chytil + Buchnevich + Robertson/Miller/Jones + 2021 1st + 2022 1st with protections. Might even need another piece or two.

I could be wrong but I can't envision a scenario where Barkov comes to the Rangers without Kakko going the other way.

Also, completely agree with the posts that say Smith should never be tried at forward again. It didn't work last year and it won't work in the future.

 

[True Blue]

That he reverts to the same 30-35 point player he always was before this year.

Before this year, he was pacing for 42 points without Panarin.

If you look at his time with the Rangers, he has produced. Period. I know that his detractors like to come up with reasons and excuses, but that he has produced offensively is not really something that can be argued.

 

[RangersFan1994]

European Pro scouting. It's one of the more underserviced aspect of scouting. Since so many guys who can't play in the NHL go over there or once guys are over a certain age teams don't track them. There are plenty of good skaters over in Europe.

Sometimes making the NHL isn't about merit as much as it is exposure and opportunity. There are guys who play the game, who know who the gems are. Tarasenko told the Blues to sign Panarin well before he came over with Chicago.

The Rangers own Dylan McIlrath told them about a 16 Year Old Brayden Point. Dylan knew right away, when Brayden got called up and Moose Jaw went on a run in the playoffs back in the day.

Rangers should give McIlrath a scouting job then. it is just sad that McIlrath couldn't be a McQuaid type of NHL player which I had his ceiling as a 5th 6th PK nasty defenseman. did the injury really set him back or just a bunch of bad luck besides the injury? he did not look bad when he was with the Rangers. I have seen worse Dale Purinton Dave Karpa Igor Ulanov to name a few. even a guy if McIlrath had a Strudwick type of career it would not be so bad.

 

[Raspewtin]

Before this year, he was pacing for 42 points without Panarin

The 18 games with the Oilers where he had 1 goal and 1 assist that you left out for some reason matter too.

 

[True Blue]

The 18 games with the Oilers where he had 1 goal and 1 assist that you left out for some reason matter too.

Because what he was with the Oilers, when his career was going into the dumpster is not relevant to me. What has he done here? That is the only question.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

 

[kovazub94]

We can dress Smith in goalie equipment too, but that doesn't mean he'll be any good, or any better than he is in any of the positions we shoe-horn him into. This is the biggest myth- he isnt versatile, he's just not good at anything so keeps getting moved around.

Smith had effective games last season when he was shoe-horned on the 4th line. He was defensively responsible, coming in on forecheck, battling on boards etc. Being a natural defenseman I didn't expect much else. I don't have a stake here and I don't understand a point in denying it. Long-term - not a good option, but in emergency - it's a consideration. Obviously smaller than his ability to play LD or RD but still a consideration.

 

[Avery16]

NHL Rumor Mill – September 24, 2020 | Spectors Hockey

Any chance Maatta would sign here on a cheap show-me deal after getting bought out? Could work as a stopgap until K'Andre is ready.

 

[Raspewtin]

Because what he was with the Oilers, when his career was going into the dumpster is not relevant to me. What has he done here? That is the only question.

The assertion that the Oilers were bad from Strome is weird to me because the Oilers that year were better than the Rangers basically across the board.

I'm not exactly saying Strome is going to revert to that player but I am saying that giving a player that has that history a 4 year deal is a massive unnecessary risk especially when "what has he done here" equates to about 130 games out of a 491 game career.

Also, if we accept the fact Panarin is the driving force on the line (which I know is controversial) what is the point in "paying for chemistry" when we can just plug in a cheaper player there and get similar results? That's how you get into cap hell in this league. It's not about Strome, it's just a fact.

 

[bobbop]

Smith has value as a 13th forward, 7th defenseman and locker room guy. Much less as a 12th forward or 6th defenseman. I would keep him a) only as a spare part and b) to avoid the buyout penalty in 21-22. He does allow you to carry one less player which isn’t a bad thing.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Smith on the 4th line was more about not hurting Staal's feeling than it was about his ability to play on the 4th line,