Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LV

[GoAwayPanarin]

I wonder if someone like Hjalmarsson is an option.

He kinda sucks now.

Not Staal level obviously, but not great.

 

[AKL]

Wild fans are going to be really disappointed with the return if Brodin is traded. McDonagh didn’t return anything CLOSE to a #1C.

He’s practically a rental FFS.

I mean, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a reasonable Wild fan (read: not KaprizovEntitleist) who thinks Brodin or Dumba will return a 1C. Those were Guerin's words. Most Wild fans would have them returning a flawed 2C at best (like a Danault or Domi type), and that's with the assumption of an extension, not as a rental. As a rental, most of us recognize that if he isn't signed by us or doesn't work out an extension with a team acquiring him, a 1st and a prospect are all we're going to get if we move him.

 

[AKL]

As somewhat of an aside, since your team is apparently interested in Brodin, what are the thoughts on something around a Brodin that's going to sign an extension with you for Hajek+Andersson? Realistically, who adds and how much? I know very little about Hajek and only slightly more about Andersson. How do they project and what type of players are they?

 

[Barnaby]

he did actually tell a fan to fight him in front of the Garden parking lot. I didn’t make that up. Imagine doing that in front of your office.

Is it a great look? Probably not. However look at all the serious crimes committed throughout the NFL in particular each year. It usually touches every team - domestic violence, assaults, robberies, and drugs. ADA is probably better served to stay quiet, but I’m not going to launch into an incredulous tirade because he comments on another teams roster construction or coaching situation.

 

[bbny]

I mean, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a reasonable Wild fan (read: not KaprizovEntitleist) who thinks Brodin or Dumba will return a 1C. Those were Guerin's words. Most Wild fans would have them returning a flawed 2C at best (like a Danault or Domi type), and that's with the assumption of an extension, not as a rental. As a rental, most of us recognize that if he isn't signed by us or doesn't work out an extension with a team acquiring him, a 1st and a prospect are all we're going to get if we move him.

Maybe he meant a 1C for them and not in general. Even Strome would basically be their 1C lol

 

[Barnaby]

I’d say a big part of me still feels that we would regret blocking Chytil with a veteran 2C Even if it were a Danault or Lindholm.

we may be better off looking for a bargain 3C For now like bringing Brassard back.

even blocking Howden makes me nervous to a degree. These two kids are entering the next phase of their development

I’m not passing on a quality 2C because Chytil might become that. He also might end up being inconsistent long term or be better suited for the wing in the long run. I like the player and he’s young, but there are no guarantees. There’s nothing wrong with being deep up the middle.

 

[AKL]

Maybe he meant a 1C for them and not in general. Even Strome would basically be their 1C lol

It's possible. Frankly I think he was just talking out of his ass more or less, trying to reassure the players while simultaneously pumping up their trade value to other GMs. I also think he probably meant as part of a package for a better center, rather than something like Dumba for Scheifele (example) straight up like many are taking it to mean.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

As somewhat of an aside, since your team is apparently interested in Brodin, what are the thoughts on something around a Brodin that's going to sign an extension with you for Hajek+Andersson? Realistically, who adds and how much? I know very little about Hajek and only slightly more about Andersson. How do they project and what type of players are they?

Rangers probably add a decent amount more, and I've been higher on Hajek and Andersson than most here but Hajek's struggled outside of a few stretches since he's turned pro and he's been getting injured and not looking good when he's come back, and Andersson, to me, has looked like a kid who isn't processing the game at the speed he needs to at the NHL level so far. I'd say if they both figure it out Hajek could be a 2nd pair guy and Andersson could be a middle six center who can open space and finish plays in the slot but needs his wingers to get him the puck there

 

[NYR Viper]

A guy like Lindholm is perfect because he can also play RW AND his defensive game would make him a truly elite 3C if Chytil took off. His contract wouldn’t even be bad in those spots.

 

[QJL]

As somewhat of an aside, since your team is apparently interested in Brodin, what are the thoughts on something around a Brodin that's going to sign an extension with you for Hajek+Andersson? Realistically, who adds and how much? I know very little about Hajek and only slightly more about Andersson. How do they project and what type of players are they?

I think Hajek + Andersson doesn’t add up to even half the value we would need to give up to get a guaranteed extended Brodin. I think it would be something like 22 + Jones at a minimum.

 

[AKL]

Rangers probably add a decent amount more, and I've been higher on Hajek and Andersson than most here but Hajek's struggled outside of a few stretches since he's turned pro and he's been getting injured and not looking good when he's come back, and Andersson, to me, has looked like a kid who isn't processing the game at the speed he needs to at the NHL level so far. I'd say if they both figure it out Hajek could be a 2nd pair guy and Andersson could be a middle six center who can open space and finish plays in the slot but needs his wingers to get him the puck there

My idea behind it was that Minnesota gets somewhat of a replacement LD (because after Brodin we have nothing in the system) and a potential second line center prospect. New York pays a price to upgrade LD. I picked those pieces based on Edge's post. Is there any other combo that fits the bill that both teams could be happy building around? CAR 1st would be desirable too if that would be in play.

 

[Irishguy42]

edit: nvm this was posted already

 

[Barnaby]

As somewhat of an aside, since your team is apparently interested in Brodin, what are the thoughts on something around a Brodin that's going to sign an extension with you for Hajek+Andersson? Realistically, who adds and how much? I know very little about Hajek and only slightly more about Andersson. How do they project and what type of players are they?

Minn doesn’t touch that. Hajek hasn’t proven himself yet. He’s not dead in the water but his shine has started to fade and it’s likely he gets passed by other upcoming defenseman.

I’m personally not a fan of Lias, but the jury is still out.

Lias, Hajek, and 22OA is probably in the ballpark.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

My idea behind it was that Minnesota gets somewhat of a replacement LD (because after Brodin we have nothing in the system) and a potential second line center prospect. New York pays a price to upgrade LD. I picked those pieces based on Edge's post. Is there any other combo that fits the bill that both teams could be happy building around? CAR 1st would be desirable too if that would be in play.

I mean, you could probably have both plus Strome or some combination of the three. Rykov just went back to Russia for this season after getting a high ankle sprain early and then struggling to get back to form last season, he's probably available but there might be a risk of him staying in Russia. We have 3 other LD prospects that could be on the cusp of making the NHL team relatively soon in Reunanen, Miller, and Robertson, and in terms of their availability I'd say Miller probably isn't at the moment and I'm not quite sure about the other two, but I think management really likes them. Then there's Zac Jones who just had a really good freshman year who I'm not sure if that makes him someone the front office wants to hold on to or would be willing to cash in on in the right deal. CAR's 1st could definitely be in play too

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

As somewhat of an aside, since your team is apparently interested in Brodin, what are the thoughts on something around a Brodin that's going to sign an extension with you for Hajek+Andersson? Realistically, who adds and how much? I know very little about Hajek and only slightly more about Andersson. How do they project and what type of players are they?

That favors the Rangers massively, mainly bc Anderson’s value is like a 2nd round pick at this point. Hajek is a decent prospect, but I think something around our other first would make more sense for y’all.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

As somewhat of an aside, since your team is apparently interested in Brodin, what are the thoughts on something around a Brodin that's going to sign an extension with you for Hajek+Andersson? Realistically, who adds and how much? I know very little about Hajek and only slightly more about Andersson. How do they project and what type of players are they?

Ostensibly, Hajek was the principle target in the McDonagh/Miller trade to the Lightning in '18. He had a cup of coffee last season and looked good, and thus hopes were high for him coming into this year. Unfortunately, he looked a bit shellshocked in the fall, got demoted, had his season disrupted by an injury, and had just come back and started to play better (rumors were that he would be called up to end the year again), when the season was cut short. He's big and smooth with a good first pass (though not a particular whiz in the offensive zone), but this year, seemed to be looking at the puck too much, which led to way too many hits for someone of his skating ability, which in turn caused him to play somewhat jittery.

As for Andersson... how much time ya got? He has had a decidedly checkered run with the Rangers, yo-yo-ing up and down between the NHL and AHL ever since his draft year – and then last fall after being demoted again, took his puck and went home to Sweden, at which point all sorts of rumors started to float about how he had been depressed, was staying up late to chat with friends in Sweden via online gaming, and had been suffering from a mysterious foot injury (which the Rangers apparently knew nothing about). At times, he's played well in the A, and has been great internationally and in the SEL, but has consistently found it difficult to stand out in the pros. His biggest issue besides the attitude/misunderstanding/whatever the heck happened is a lack of foot speed. Positives are hockey sense, play around the net, and ironically, tenacity and leadership.

 

[AKL]

Ostensibly, Hajek was the principle target in the McDonagh/Miller trade to the Lightning in '18. He had a cup of coffee last year and looked good, and thus hopes were high for him coming into this season. Unfortunately, he looked a bit shellshocked to start the season, had his season disrupted by an injury, and had just come back and started to play better (rumors were that he would be called up to end the year again), when the season was cut short. He's big and smooth with a good first pass (though not a particular whiz in the offensive zone), but this year, seemed to be looking at the puck too much, which led to way too many hits for someone of his skating ability, which in turn caused him to play somewhat jittery.

As for Andersson... how much time ya got? He has had a decidedly checkered run with the Rangers, yo-yo-ing up and down between the NHL and AHL ever since his draft year – and then last fall after being demoted again, took his puck and went home to Sweden, at which point all sorts of rumors started to float about how he had been depressed, was staying up late to chat with friends in Sweden via online gaming, and had been suffering from a mysterious foot injury (which the Rangers apparently knew nothing about). At times, he's played well in the A, and has been great internationally and in the SEL, but has consistently found it difficult to stand out in the pros. His biggest issue besides the attitude/misunderstanding/whatever the heck happened is a lack of foot speed. Positives are hockey sense, play around the net, and ironically, tenacity and leadership.

See everything I read about Andersson when it comes to hockey makes it sound like he would be a great top 6 center to have on your team and possibly even a future captain. But then he has all these issues you hear about, and I wonder if he'll ever put it together. I'd still be interested in taking the chance on him, especially if his value is as low as some of you say, and if the rumor is true that he's all but gone from NY. If Minnesota were able to acquire him on a discount and he does put it together, that would be huge for this team.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I would rather read proposals for Eichel again, or god help me the return of former ranger brassard/boyle/zuccarello/del zotto/shattenkirk, then read about Deangelo off ice activities.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

See everything I read about Andersson when it comes to hockey makes it sound like he would be a great top 6 center to have on your team and possibly even a future captain. But then he has all these issues you hear about, and I wonder if he'll ever put it together. I'd still be interested in taking the chance on him, especially if his value is as low as some of you say, and if the rumor is true that he's all but gone from NY. If Minnesota were able to acquire him on a discount and he does put it together, that would be huge for this team.

Yeah, at this point I think he's kind of like a Puljujarvi, in that he's probably not going to play for the team that drafted him at this point, and the trade value isn't really there but the team that holds their rights is holding out for something a little more than nothing. He's probably not going to be the main piece of a deal, but a sweetener attached to something else

 

[AKL]

I would rather read proposals for Eichel again, or god help me the return of former ranger brassard/boyle/zuccarello/del zotto/shattenkirk, then read about Deangelo off ice activities.

Don't tease me with a good time

 

[wafflepadsave]

Yeah, first time back on the boards since early March! Getting caught up.

Need to stay up all night to get back in shape.

 

[AKL]

Yeah, at this point I think he's kind of like a Puljujarvi, in that he's probably not going to play for the team that drafted him at this point, and the trade value isn't really there but the team that holds their rights is holding out for something a little more than nothing. He's probably not going to be the main piece of a deal, but a sweetener attached to something else

I wouldn't mind if he was the sweetener attached to a Brodin deal then. Someone mentioned Jones+22 being closer a bit ago, I don't know if Andersson swings the value too far, or what Minnesota would need to add to move it back to equilibrium, but Jones+Andersson+22 would be a pretty enticing futures offer.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

See everything I read about Andersson when it comes to hockey makes it sound like he would be a great top 6 center to have on your team and possibly even a future captain. But then he has all these issues you hear about, and I wonder if he'll ever put it together. I'd still be interested in taking the chance on him, especially if his value is as low as some of you say, and if the rumor is true that he's all but gone from NY. If Minnesota were able to acquire him on a discount and he does put it together, that would be huge for this team.

Honestly, if the Wild were to move Brodin without an extension, I think those two wouldn't be bad targets and I suspect your FO might attribute more value to them than many posters on here would. We're in a position none of us is used to with a friggin' boatload of picks and prospects, and consequently, since those two guys have hit some speed bumps, they've dropped way down our internal rankings to the point that some posters have even written them off completely. If our system looked the way it did two years ago, we'd be hugging them a lot closer even with their issues.

Combine them with, say, a mid round pick and I think that might make sense for Brodin with only one year remaining. Extended, on the other hand, I think you need more.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I wouldn't mind if he was the sweetener attached to a Brodin deal then. Someone mentioned Jones+22 being closer a bit ago, I don't know if Andersson swings the value too far, or what Minnesota would need to add to move it back to equilibrium, but Jones+Andersson+22 would be a pretty enticing futures offer.

See, now that's too much IMO for Brodin with only one year left. Extended, it starts to make more sense.

 

[AKL]

See, now that's too much IMO for Brodin with only one year left. Extended, it starts to make more sense.

I'm operating under the assumption that he is coming with a pre-negotiated extension. He may very well not be, and I guess I'll come to terms with that if/when it happens. But for the sake of discussion, it's more fun for me to assume he is