Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIX

[True Blue]

There are reasonable, foreseeable packages that would not involve emptying our cupboard. Not enough to pry away Eichel from Buffalo were they first inclined to try to hold him; but if they come to a decision that they are gonna need to deal him, either from his own desire to get out or due to team finances, the Rangers can put together an enhanced Nash-like package that would probably beat out any other offer, but without “pushing their chips in” either.

Who said anything different?

For example, Chytil, ADA, 22, and a future first, maybe one additional D prospect, something like that. Chytil is replaced by Eichel, ADA is superfluous anyway as you’ve already pointed out, 22/future first are intangibles.

First of all, I pointed out no such thing. Second of all, aside from stating that multiple picks are not necessary given what the proposal was to land him is not really the same thing as claiming that the farm is being given away .

It’s a lot but it’s hardly pushing all our chips in. We’d still have Lafreniere, Kakko, Kravtsov, Eichel, Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, Gauthier, Howden and maybe even Andersson to build around at forward. On D you’d still have Fox, Trouba, Lundkvist, Hajek, Robertson, Miller, Jones, Reunanon, Rykov.

Going to go on a limb here and predict that you cannot actually locate where I said that any specific package was pushing all of your chips in.

And Strome and Buch would eventually be deadline trade chips to recoup the firsts you just parted with.

Back to trading production for futures, eh?

No brainer, really, though some like to be contrarian just for the sake of being difficult.

Again, going with the fact that you will not be able to actually pick out a proposed package that I have made such a claim as to being.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

This one is easy to put together;

Krebs or Glass
A second piece of value -- a high pick or perhaps Tuch
A defenseman currently under contract (Vegas has to move some salary out)

This represents a great opportunity for the Rangers with their current draft position and asset base to get a future #2 center.

If they could get both Glass and Tuch, I'd be over the moon.

 

[mas0764]

This one is easy to put together;

Krebs or Glass
A second piece of value -- a high pick or perhaps Tuch
A defenseman currently under contract (Vegas has to move some salary out)

This represents a great opportunity for the Rangers with their current draft position and asset base to get a future #2 center.

Think of this:

ADA for

Glass
Future First
Veteran LD

Rangers then trade #22 and future first to move up and get Lundell

#WINNING

 

[bobbop]

Wouldn't Glass be that future #2?

So would Krebs

 

[Levitate]

I feel like I'd at least want a pick in any kind of DeAngelo trade for Glass or Krebs

Again, DeAngelo was 4th in the league in D scoring. He can run a real good PP.

DeAngelo for Glass, a 3rd, and a bottom six forward if they have one that'd be useful?

 

[HonestGabe]

I would not rule that one out, especially as the Rangers seek to balance their roster.

From a logical standpoint, I think the nuts and bolts of a Tuch for Tony deal makes sense for both sides.

Then it's a matter of moving one of Buch/Strome for a LHD.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

more like a butcher tossing scraps at a pack of coyotes...

I was thinking like an old man feeding the ducks lol

 

[Tawnos]

I feel like I'd at least want a pick in any kind of DeAngelo trade for Glass or Krebs

Again, DeAngelo was 4th in the league in D scoring. He can run a real good PP.

DeAngelo for Glass, a 3rd, and a bottom six forward if they have one that'd be useful?

I keep seeing people say DeAngelo can run a powerplay, but he didn't run our powerplay last year, so I'm not sure where it comes from.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

If they could get both Glass and Tuch, I'd be over the moon.

That would be insane Honestly

I’d be happy with either or

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

So here's your update for today:

Vegas pinged the Rangers last night and again this morning inquiring about ADA.

No, I don't have official confirmation on who they are targeting at this time but most guesses on here would likely be in the ballpark.

DeAngelo in Vegas? What could go wrong?

 

[rangers1314]

This one is easy to put together;

Krebs or Glass
A second piece of value -- a high pick or perhaps Tuch
A defenseman currently under contract (Vegas has to move some salary out)

This represents a great opportunity for the Rangers with their current draft position and asset base to get a future #2 center.

Glass / NJD 2nd round pick in 2021 (acquired in the Gusev trade) / Brayden McNabb

Something like that?

 

[Fitzy]

Tuch isn't cheap, they gave him a long extension in the hopes that he'd continue to grow as a power forward and he's coming off a down year. I'd be disappointed if that was the main piece in the deal.

 

[Tawnos]

McNabb would actually be a decent get from VGK in any DeAngelo trade.

 

[Gardner McKay]

So here's your update for today:

Vegas pinged the Rangers last night and again this morning inquiring about ADA.

No, I don't have official confirmation on who they are targeting at this time but most guesses on here would likely be in the ballpark.

Just want to say thank you for being such a valuable resource for this board.

 

[Levitate]

This one is easy to put together;

Krebs or Glass
A second piece of value -- a high pick or perhaps Tuch
A defenseman currently under contract (Vegas has to move some salary out)

This represents a great opportunity for the Rangers with their current draft position and asset base to get a future #2 center.

Yeah this is probably better than my thought, I think I lowballed myself

 

[RangersFan1994]

McNabb would actually be a decent get from VGK in any DeAngelo trade.

he is an underrated player. thought the Kings made a mistake of letting him go.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I would have to lean towards Glass because he's NHL ready

With his injury history, I'd be very wary

 

[True Blue]

You literally just said that a right side of ADA-Fox-Lundkvist isn't happening, and also that Trouba isn't going anywhere. Then you said ADA isn't getting moved to the left side either.

Yeah. And how do you read that and determine that I said DeAngelo is getting moved for prospects or getting moved at all?

You are putting an awful lot of eggs into the "Rangers are definitely moving Lundkvist" basket then.

Where do you see me saying that either?

Let's take this slowly. No, there is no chance that the future does not have Trouba. No, there is no chance that there will be a right side consisting of DeAngelo, Fox & Lundqvist. No, I do not believe that DeAngelo will be moved to his off side. No, I highly doubt that if DeAngelo is traded, that it will be for nothing but futures.

 

[Levitate]

I keep seeing people say DeAngelo can run a powerplay, but he didn't run our powerplay last year, so I'm not sure where it comes from.

Well I'd say he can be a very good contributor on the power play at least?

He might not be that kind of throwback stereotypical PP QB that sits back and directs everything from the blueline but I don't think there are that many of those types these days. He's very effective there though

 

[mas0764]

Who said anything different?

I dunno? Just clarifying the rational position here.

No one is talking about emptying the cupboard for Eichel.

Simply that a realistic package is possible without "pushing all our chips in," that will improve our position long term.

Going to go on a limb here and predict that you cannot actually locate where I said that any specific package was pushing all of your chips in.

I am not claiming you named such a specific package.... you said you don't think the Rangers can push all their chips in right now for Eichel because we aren't 1 player away.

I'm saying there are reasonable packages that the Rangers should be inclined to give up that would not constitute "pushing all their chips in," -- such as the one I named.

Back to trading production for futures, eh?

I said eventually. Once they have ("IF" they have, if it makes you feel better) been actually surpassed on the depth chart by Kakko, Kravtsov, Howden, Gauthier, etc.

Not hard to foresee if we acquired Eichel, you'd have a top 6 of Panarin-Zibanejad-Kakko, Lafreniere-Eichel-Kravtsov at some point, plus Kreider, Howdem, Gauthier, etc, still in the system. A guy like Strome would be expendable and tradeable at that point, no? Or are you still gonna advocate that it's wise roster construction to shoe-horn him in at $5m a year on a third line role? With Eichel here, within the next 2 years presumably one if not both of Buch or Strome simply wouldn't have a top-6 role, and then you can recoup assets.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

If Rangers are getting a pick from Vegas, make it a 2022 1st.

 

[bleedblue94]

Eichel is Eichel. Of course you have to listen. My worry is someone similar to yours. Such a move would completely reorganize the room. Major piece coming in. Major pieces going out. ZBad, unless he is part of the deal, essentially being put on notice that his time here is limited to the end of his contract.

Also, I am not so sure that Eichel is what this team actually needs.

he probably isn't, but just as much as we all love zib the timelines of the org are probably in thought as well, along with zibs timeline. I'm not looking to push him out the door, but what happens when he's 29 signing his next contract? Are you going through the Kreider thing all over again or do you let him walk after making a couple runs with two elite centers and then still have an elite center here signed even when that point comes? I really dont know the best course here, but until I see an eichel deal done it really isnt worth the hypothetical concerns. It is funny though how everyone seems to have forgotten lindholm exists.

 

[bobbop]

Tuch isn't cheap, they gave him a long extension in the hopes that he'd continue to grow as a power forward and he's coming off a down year. I'd be disappointed if that was the main piece in the deal.

Tuch wasn't very good during the regular season (except for one night at MSG) but he was great in the playoffs. He can be physical and seems to have a lot of ceiling left.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Tuch isn't cheap, they gave him a long extension in the hopes that he'd continue to grow as a power forward and he's coming off a down year. I'd be disappointed if that was the main piece in the deal.

He looked back to normal in the playoffs. I mean he was battling injuries this year, I can’t blast him too hard considering he bounced back once he was healthy.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Tuch isn't cheap, they gave him a long extension in the hopes that he'd continue to grow as a power forward and he's coming off a down year. I'd be disappointed if that was the main piece in the deal.

Eh, he missed half of it, and as others have pointed out, looked back to his previous form in the POs. His AAV is under $5MM for three years into the post-flat-cap-world and his game is tailor-made for this squad. He would be ideal riding shotgun on Panarin's RW...