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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIV

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KreiderBomb said:
I think there will be a lot of disappointed faces when the only moves we make are depth moves for the 4th line and the team is generally the same plus Lafreniere and possibly Barron and Miller.
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Kinda how it should be unless we can move up in the first. No sense in trying to make any more big splashes before the expansion draft or before the cap room frees up next year.

Panarin and Trouba were our big splashes.
 
Barron and Richards were both more productive players than Hayes and Vesey in college. First of all their intangibles are off the charts compared to both of those guys. Second, Hayes had one good year in college made by Gaudreau and Vesey had two. If Barron and Richards played another year each of them would have had three good college years out of four. Where or if you got drafted means nothing. It's all about production. Neither Barron's or Richard's team have a good supporting offensive casts. They are defense first teams. So what they did offensively while being elite defensively is pretty impresive.
 
pld459666 said:
That 2nd trade is terrible

Wow bad
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I am all in for getting Dvorak. I think he will break out here like Zibanejad did away from the no offense, clueless Yotes. However, I'm not prepared to give that up. I'd much rather give up a package of Kravtsov, Jones and Gettinger. Something like that. They might want Kravtsov, Jones and Reunanen. I'm good with that also. Those 2 defenseman prospects are talented but small and we don't need any more of those types with Lundkvist, Fox and DeAngelo.
 
Avery16 said:
There is actually a difference between veterans and young players. Chytil is still developing. I fully expect that FO sees Chytil as a future 2C, or at least hopes he will be there. Strome vs Bjugstad or another is a question about the interim.
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I'm willing to gamble on bridging Strome and letting Chytil take over 2C in a year or two. He's already put in the work on his defense and he oozes talent on offense. Another year we could see a big leap.

Then the following year with contracts off the books and assessing the young guys, not to mention more draft prospects, we can then start trading away our chips for whatever it is we need. Maybe we won't need a 2C or LD by then.
 
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usekakkorightquinn said:
It's funny how people forget that Hayes was a total bust and garbage for 3 years in college until Gaudreau helped him get his head out of his butt.
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I don't remember the exact quote but Hayes mentioned on Chiclets that one year it finally clicked for him and he had to start putting in the work if he wanted to go Pro.
 
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Chytilmania said:
I'm willing to gamble on bridging Strome and letting Chytil take over 2C in a year or two. He's already put in the work on his defense and he oozes talent on offense. Another year we could see a big leap.

Then the following year with contracts off the books and assessing the young guys, not to mention more draft prospects, we can then start trading away our chips for whatever it is we need. Maybe we won't need a 2C or LD by then.
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At the right number, it is not a bad option. It’s not our only option though, and it might not be our best option.
 
usekakkorightquinn said:
Barron and Richards were both more productive players than Hayes and Vesey in college. First of all their intangibles are off the charts compared to both of those guys. Second, Hayes had one good year in college made by Gaudreau and Vesey had two. If Barron and Richards played another year each of them would have had three good college years out of four. Where or if you got drafted means nothing. It's all about production. Neither Barron's or Richard's team have a good supporting offensive casts. They are defense first teams. So what they did offensively while being elite defensively is pretty impresive.
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Barron has more of an argument to be a sure fire NHL player than Richards, whether that is a 1st liner or 4th liner. And that doesn’t mean for next season either. Richards is more of an intangibles type player. He is by no means ready to jump into the NHL next year or possibly the year after that or even the one after that. And let’s stop comparing him to Vesey, they are different players. And on top of that Vesey hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire at the NHL level. Richards is going to need to prove himself in Hartford. He is a good signing for that club. But he shouldn’t even be brought up in this thread when planning next years team. So please spare us. We get you like these kids* but you’re getting extremely ahead of yourself.

This team is transitioning to finding the right pieces in the depth areas of the forward group. Plug in stopgap vets this year that can make you a tougher team to play against. Guys like Blake Coleman, Brian Boyle, Joakim Nordstrom, Sean Kuraly, players in that mold. And in the coming years you hope to replace them with the cheap ELCs such as a Barron or Khoderenko or others when they have developed properly and proven themselves rather than rush them.
 
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usekakkorightquinn said:
Barron and Richards were both more productive players than Hayes and Vesey in college. First of all their intangibles are off the charts compared to both of those guys. Second, Hayes had one good year in college made by Gaudreau and Vesey had two. If Barron and Richards played another year each of them would have had three good college years out of four. Where or if you got drafted means nothing. It's all about production. Neither Barron's or Richard's team have a good supporting offensive casts. They are defense first teams. So what they did offensively while being elite defensively is pretty impresive.
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How is Barrons skating?
 
NYR Viper said:
I’ll just keep saying:

Buch + 3rd for EDM 1st

CAR 1st + Howden + Lemieux + Smith for Dvorak + Grabner

Arizona cuts A TON of salary
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No way in the second proposal. Giving up way too much.
 
Is OEL for TDA fair on paper ?
Yotes may not take him back but it’s going to be new management . Not sure I’d want to do that deal just wondering

I imagine they try and dump Raanta and Grabner for savings first
 
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Vitto79 said:
Is OEL for DeAngelo fair on paper ?
Totes may not take him back but it’s going to be new management . Not sure I’d want to do that deal just wondering

I imagine they try and dump Raanta and Grabner for savings first
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I would absolutely never trade DeAngelo for OEL.

Quite frankly I have no interest in OEL. He is going to be on the wrong side of 30 very soon.
 
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Vitto79 said:
  1. Is OEL for DeAngelo fair on paper ?
Yotes may not take him back but it’s going to be new management . Not sure I’d want to do that deal just wondering

I imagine they try and dump Raanta and Grabner for savings first
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Not for the Rangers it isn't.
 
Vitto79 said:
Is OEL for TDA fair on paper ?
Yotes may not take him back but it’s going to be new management . Not sure I’d want to do that deal just wondering

I imagine they try and dump Raanta and Grabner for savings first
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not at that monster contract.
 
Arizona is a freaking disaster though...anytime someone asks why NHL teams just recycle thru the same group of guys and never go outside of that group a picture of Chayka will be the reply.
 
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usekakkorightquinn said:
Barron and Richards were both more productive players than Hayes and Vesey in college. First of all their intangibles are off the charts compared to both of those guys. Second, Hayes had one good year in college made by Gaudreau and Vesey had two. If Barron and Richards played another year each of them would have had three good college years out of four. Where or if you got drafted means nothing. It's all about production. Neither Barron's or Richard's team have a good supporting offensive casts. They are defense first teams. So what they did offensively while being elite defensively is pretty impresive.
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You're just trying to rationalize your opinion. You can't say that guys who were six round picks and underfted were more productive than guy who were drafted in the first and third rounds.

Richards and Barron might very well have a future here (Barron I believe certainly does), but that future ain't next year.
 
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