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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIII

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Thirty One said:
Panarin - Strome - Kakko
Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Lafreniere - Chytil - Fast
Lemieux - Howden - Gauthier

Lindgren - Fox
Smith - Trouba
Hajek - DeAngelo

Shesterkin
Georgiev
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not that Howden looks good at anything so far but the staff seems to like him. He does try to pass so i can see with a Laf. Meanwhile, I can’t see a Chytil with Laf unless the play is Laf dishing the biscuit to Chytil for goals.
 
Barry Amsterdam said:
Thanks guys, wow i see no glaring weakness at all. You guys could start contending real soon. that forward group is nasty
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At this point our left d is a little suspect, but hopefully 2 of Miller, Jones, Hajek, and Robertson are ready in a year or two. Would like an upgrade at 2c but Chytil or maybe Barron could end up there depending on how they progress
 
bl02 said:
makes me smile looking at the above forwards. We could legit have 4 superstar forwards. I mean even with the 2014/2015 teams maybe we had 1 or 1.5 lol. We had a lot of nice players and guys who played really well in playoffs like Brassard. But 4 guys all under 30!
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Yeah, under 30. Amazingly, with Laf two are under 20. :)
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
The same was true for Skjei. He was being asked to play a role he wasn't ready for. Doesn't make someone a bad player. Smith is definitely overpaid. Skjei I can make the argument that his AAV is fair for what he brings, if the team he is on has the top pair guys to take those heavy minutes away from the rest of the blueline
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Can’t agree with this Steven. Given his age, Skeji was paid as a presumptive top pair guy and that never happened. Coming off his 2016-17 season, the Rangers expected a lot more. He was 24 when he got the contract. I thought it was a bad contract when he got it and it certainly didn’t age well. Skeji played his way off the Rangers core and Gorton was brilliant to get a first round draft pick and dump the contract all in one fell swoop. I think in time this will go down as one of Gorton’s very best moves.
 
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On Skjei, I think the Rangers thought he was going to develop into McDonagh's heir. That didn't happen and the Rangers got themselves out from under his contract. Moving Skjei for a draft pick didn't make the Rangers better this season but they were okay with that because they got some cap flexibility this offseason.
 
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NYSPORTS said:
do you think it’s a better strategy to move Buch during the season? I can’t help but think his numbers are going to improve significantly with all this offensive talent around him.

IMO, Buch’s value to another team could be higher at a later date.

Thoughts?
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It's probably more ideal to do that. Let's you see how the others are panning out and Buch gets his 1RW and either 1st or 2nd PP. He's going to produce well with his line.

If the trio of young RW show something where they could take his spot, he could be dangled to fill a need.

His value may take a small hit, based on team control alone, but I would not be worried about it. Also could limit trade partners. Gorton is going to be tested with how the RW position plays out this season.
 
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SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
There were reports that he got calls on Lemieux right after the Rangers made the Hayes trade.

As to "B" you ask what that proves and then bring up something that didn't happen. So I don't know what to do with that.
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Maybe I misunderstood your first post but I thought you were pointing out what separates (distinguishes) Lemieux from Gauthier and Howden (based on something that Gorton did or did not do).
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
Maybe. I think he gets a little bit of a longer leash because he brings something to this team that they sorely lack. If there's a desire to add more "north/south" players, Lemieux certainly fits that mold.
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I could argue that Gauthier might have a longer leash because he spent the least time in the organization to get a closer look at what he brings on ice.

Similarly Howden could be viewed as more valuable because of a center position that we also know is not the deepest (or not deeper vs. wing position).
 
NYSPORTS said:
do you think it’s a better strategy to move Buch during the season? I can’t help but think his numbers are going to improve significantly with all this offensive talent around him.

IMO, Buch’s value to another team could be higher at a later date.

Thoughts?
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Yes, no need to rush. Need to and see what Kakko can do in his second season, also if Strome could continue (to some degree) repeat his ability to play with Panarin and what contract he signs. Kravtsov play overseas should also be closely followed.
 
bobbop said:
Can’t agree with this Steven. Given his age, Skeji was paid as a presumptive top pair guy and that never happened. Coming off his 2016-17 season, the Rangers expected a lot more. He was 24 when he got the contract. I thought it was a bad contract when he got it and it certainly didn’t age well. Skeji played his way off the Rangers core and Gorton was brilliant to get a first round draft pick and dump the contract all in one fell swoop. I think in time this will go down as one of Gorton’s very best moves.
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@Ola ’s point that he’s made in the past could be reconciling your positions. It is that giving a long-term RFA contract based on (supported) expectations is not a big risk if the player underperforms (not to be mistaken with a complete shitshow). Not difficult to fix an error judgement and move such contract.
 
Barring roster moves, the F protection slots will go to two of Strome, Fast, Andersson, Howden, Gauthier and Lemieux, leaving the rest exposed. Any of those are likely to be more attractive to Seattle than Hajek. We are likely to lose a F like Gauthier, Howden or yes, Lemieux.
 
kovazub94 said:
Maybe I misunderstood your first post but I thought you were pointing out what separates (distinguishes) Lemieux from Gauthier and Howden (based on something that Gorton did or did not do).
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There reports that teams called right after the Hayes tase. There were not reports of teams calling on Howden or Gauthier after those respective trades.
 
NHL Rumor Mill – September 7, 2020 | Spectors Hockey

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THE ATHLETIC (subscription required): In a recent mailbag segment, Michael Russo was asked if the Minnesota Wild will do any contract buyouts. He felt there’s a chance, suggesting if they did so for goalie Devan Dubnyk or center Victor Rask it would be to create roster spots rather than clear cap space. He also felt Alex Stalock would only fetch a mid-round draft pick if placed on the trade block. Russo doesn’t believe GM Bill Guerin will pursue Vancouver’s Jacob Markstrom if he becomes available in the free-agent market.
In a second mailbag segment, Russo noted the Wild have to protect Ryan Suter and Jared Spurgeon in next year’s expansion draft because of their no-movement clauses. If they decide to protect just three defensemen, this is the offseason to move Matt Dumba or Jonas Brodin unless they intend to move one of them before the 2021 trade deadline. Brodin has a year left on his contract and could be the one to get traded if he proves too expensive to re-sign.
SPECTOR’S NOTE: I expect Guerin will be busy in the offseason. He indicated he wasn’t happy with his goaltending and pointed out his club’s need for a first-line center.
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Seems like Brodin is a good target, and MN would be interested in Georgiev, maybe Strome. If we could somehow package Strome and Georgiev for Brodin, it would be hard to beat. What would we have to add to Strome, Georgiev, and 22OA for Brodin and 9OA? Could Lias Andersson on his current streak help get us there? We are unlikely to protect him from Seattle anyways.

Edit: I forgot we'd have to then protect Brodin, exposing Lindgren, who would then likely get claimed. Nevermind.
 
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SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
There reports that teams called right after the Hayes tase. There were not reports of teams calling on Howden or Gauthier after those respective trades.
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So what does that mean? I’m back to my first A and B

A. Maybe we just don’t know if there were similar calls on Howden and Gauthier

B. Teams called Gorton so there’s not much indication of how he feels - maybe he just didn’t like what other teams were offering in return

What am I missing?
 
Trading for Brodin doesn’t make a ton of sense because he has 1 year to UFA and if the Rangers re-sign him it means they lose another d-man in expansion, for example, Lindgren. So would people be open to: Strome + Georgiev + Lindgren for Brodin + Lemieux (assuming he is the forward taken in the expansion draft)?
 
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I would love to get Brodin.

I don't think I'd be comfortable doing Brodin+9OA unless Guerin is incredibly dumb.
 
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