Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIII

[eco's bones]

Holy moly, Trouba doesn't have a say until FA day. Richards age is irrelevant. He was signed with the intention for him to play here 9 years just like Trouba was signed with the intention to play here 7. Stuff happens. I get that Trouba has only been here 1 year as opposed to 3 but we don't have the luxury of waiting another 2 years or another 1 year. Why do you think I harp on it so feverishly? Literally every other item discussed in this thread is blank and giggles stuff. Only one item on the to do list is urgent.

It's like every time we play the Capitals one of our RD is going to see Ovechkin more than the others---and every time we play the Penguins it's pretty much going to be the same RD who sees the most of Ovechkin when playing the Capitals who is going to get to see the most of Crosby and ditto for Matthews when we play Toronto or the Bergeron line when we play Boston or Kucherov in Tampa. No one shuts down these players completely--the point is to keep them from hurting you too much. The RD with that no so enviable job description on the Rangers is Trouba....and there is really no other option and someone's got to do it. If for no other reason this is why he's not going anywhere. The fact that he might not always look terrific--well guys like Matthews, Crosby and Ovechkin have made their careers out of making good players look bad.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Finally an answer, although I disagree wholeheartedly, actually addresses my question and has a logical flow.

What would you expect in return for Trouba? Not a lot of teams are going to take on an 8m AAV contract with a flat cap, so money needs to come the other way. Who are we targetting in a hypothetical Trouba trade?

 

[Ghost of jas]

Yeah, it goes lower if Dallas wins.

It's in the bottom four of the round as of right now. If the Isles win, it can only be 91-93. If the Flyers win, I think it can only 90, 92 or 93.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

It's like every time we play the Capitals one of our RD is going to see Ovechkin more than the others---and every time we play the Penguins it's pretty much going to be the same RD who sees the most of Ovechkin when playing the Capitals who is going to get to see the most of Crosby and ditto for Matthews when we play Toronto or the Bergeron line when we play Boston or Kucherov in Tampa. No one shuts down these players completely--the point is to keep them from hurting you too much. The RD with that no so enviable job description on the Rangers is Trouba....and there is really no other option and someone's got to do it. If for no other reason this is why he's not going anywhere. The fact that he might not always look terrific--well guys like Matthews, Crosby and Ovechkin have made their careers out of making good players look bad.

Exactly. And lest it be overlooked, the whole reason the Rangers were keen to acquire him was to play this role. Not to be the next coming of Paul Coffey.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Trouba eats the tough minutes so Tony and Fox feast on the easier matchups

People who don’t understand this are as dense as they come

 

[Crease]

Free agency day. AKA NMC day aka doomsday. Not ADA resolution day. Get your days straight.

The Rangers are not moving Trouba this offseason. I would bet the bank on that. One year into a seven year deal, when he had a fine first season. Maybe after 2024-25, when he’s 31 and his limited no trade clause kicks in. But not this offseason.

 

[huerter]

What would you expect in return for Trouba? Not a lot of teams are going to take on an 8m AAV contract with a flat cap, so money needs to come the other way. Who are we targetting in a hypothetical Trouba trade?

I mean I can make up fake trades all day but as much of a longshot as any fake trade might be I have said Detroit makes the most sense. I'm looking at Nielsen as the guy we can take back as a bad contract but who can be functional for us. Has two more years at 5.25. He has a modified no trade but does he really want to play for Detroit? Ideally Detroit would retain a little bit (25-33%) of Nielsen's deal since we are in go for it now mode and they don't have a pressing need to have every cap dollar available.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I mean I can make up fake trades all day but as much of a longshot as any fake trade might be I have said Detroit makes the most sense. I'm looking at Nielsen as the guy we can take back as a bad contract but who can be functional for us. Has two more years at 5.25. He has a modified no trade but does he really want to play for Detroit? Ideally Detroit would retain a little bit (25-33%) of Nielsen's deal since we are in go for it now mode and they don't have a pressing need to have every cap dollar available.

See, this is where you lose everyone. You want to trade Trouba away and take back a bad contract. Trouba isn't bad enough to be considered a cap dump. That's what you are talking about here. Trouba is still a good defenseman. And trading him just to get rid of his cap hit is bad asset management.

A Trouba trade only makes sense if it's in return for a player who contributes, not Frans Nielsen

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I mean I can make up fake trades all day but as much of a longshot as any fake trade might be I have said Detroit makes the most sense. I'm looking at Nielsen as the guy we can take back as a bad contract but who can be functional for us. Has two more years at 5.25. He has a modified no trade but does he really want to play for Detroit? Ideally Detroit would retain a little bit (25-33%) of Nielsen's deal since we are in go for it now mode and they don't have a pressing need to have every cap dollar available.

I’m confused, are you trying to convince everyone here that we should trade him, or do you really think it’s an actual possibility that the Rangers will trade him?

Neither of those things are gonna happen.

 

[huerter]

See, this is where you lose everyone. You want to trade Trouba away and take back a bad contract. Trouba isn't bad enough to be considered a cap dump. That's what you are talking about here. Trouba is still a good defenseman. And trading him just to get rid of his cap hit is bad asset management.

A Trouba trade only makes sense if it's in return for a player who contributes, not Frans Nielsen

I'd love for that to be true. I'm simply stating what I would be willing to do. Obviously I want the best return possible.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'd love for that to be true. I'm simply stating what I would be willing to do. Obviously I want the best return possible.

Sure, but if your first thought is to trade him in return for a cap dump, you are implying it's a bad contract that needs to be moved. That's simply not the case. Nielsen is the type you get in return for Marc Staal or Brendan Smith.

Jacob Trouba actually has value, to the Rangers and on the trade market hypothetically.

 

[huerter]

If Trouba was making life easier for Fox and Deangelo, who was making life easier for Pionk in Winnipeg?

 

[bobbop]

I've been trying to manifest it. If Detroit has an appetite to bring in the hometown kid to be one of their building blocks (stupid them) and get rid of one or more of their shorter term terrible forward contracts there can definitely be a workable trade there. But I'm also suggesting that as another option, I would explore the OEL route.

Just curious, how many Arizona games have you watched the last two years.?

 

[huerter]

Sure, but if your first thought is to trade him in return for a cap dump, you are implying it's a bad contract that needs to be moved. That's simply not the case. Nielsen is the type you get in return for Marc Staal or Brendan Smith.

Jacob Trouba actually has value, to the Rangers and on the trade market hypothetically.

Love it. You're only strengthening my desire.

 

[Edge]

If I’m not mistaken, Edge (@Edge correct me if I’m wrong) alluded to the fact that if he hadn’t been in a car accident that it was possibly he who was getting traded instead of Skjei. Wing depth is literally this team’s least important issue. There are glaring holes elsewhere.

Not related to the car accident, but Buch was involved in a lot of conversations between the Rangers and Calgary.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Not related to the car accident, but Buch was involved in a lot of conversations between the Rangers and Calgary.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If Trouba was making life easier for Fox and Deangelo, who was making life easier for Pionk in Winnipeg?

Josh Morrissey

 

[bobbop]

- 33 pts in 78GP, to 37 in 78, to 7 in 20 (season cut short by injury), to 38 in 70 this past yearyear.
- With an E +/- that has progressed from -10.7, to -3.1, to -0.6, to 8.7 during that same time.
- While his FO% has gone from 46.8%, to 51.4%, to 55.3%, to (essentially flat at) 55.1%.

All of this on Arizona, mind you. And he's only 24, signed to an eminently affordable $4.45MM/year for 5 more years on his contract.

He'd be an outstanding addition as a 2-way 2C (or 3C if Chytil bumps him down).



Or, as @NYR Viper said... ^^^

Dvorak has not yet proven he can put up solid second line numbers but two things...he hasn’t played with very good wingers and if you watch him he is a really good hockey player. He won’t be at the top of the list of guys they would look to move. Possible but not likely.

 

[huerter]

Josh Morrissey

I get the impression that Morrissey took a big step back this year so I guess that checks out, lol.

 

[rangers1314]

Ok, so where do we stand now with the other 1st? 22?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Ok, so where do we stand now with the other 1st? 22?

 

[Avery16]

Hellooo...ooo...ooo pick #22OA

 

[UnSandvich]

This huerter guy's desire for Trouba to be gone is approaching EdJovanovski levels

 

[huerter]

This huerter guy's desire for Trouba to be gone is approaching EdJovanovski levels

Ed Jovanovski wants the Rangers to get rid of Trouba? He played in that freakin mold. If he can't appreciate Trouba's game then that's a wrap.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Not related to the car accident, but Buch was involved in a lot of conversations between the Rangers and Calgary.

Have anymore of these incidentals?