Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LIII

[huerter]

I get it, I'm on an island over here. But can someone address my point about Richards though? What's the difference besides one was hold on to him/use compliance buyout and this one is hold on to him/trade him now?

 

[NYRFANMANI]

The Rangers almost traded him last draft so not sure The Rangers organization sees him as you do.

Pretty sure there was a very solid year of hockey from Buch between last draft and today.

Kravtsov hasn't played a game yet. The RW depth is as such:

Buch
Kakko
Fast (if re-signed)
Gauthier
Kravtsov

Whether or not we re-sign Fast, I'd rather keep Buch as of now, just so we don't risk of opening a new hole in the line-up.

 

[NYR Viper]

I get it, I'm on an island over here. But can someone address my point about Richards though? What's the difference besides one was hold on to him/use compliance buyout and this one is hold on to him/trade him now?

The compliance buyout didn’t require the players approval. Richards was considerably older and was given more than 1 season with the team he signed with.

 

[NYR Viper]

Pretty sure there was a very solid year of hockey from Buch between last draft and today.

Kravtsov hasn't played a game yet. The RW depth is as such:

Buch
Kakko
Fast (if re-signed)
Gauthier
Kravtsov

Whether or not we re-sign Fast, I'd rather keep Buch as of now, just so we don't risk of opening a new hole in the line-up.

My only caveat to this is if the team acquires a new 2C, then Strome has played significant time at RW throughout his career

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Pretty sure there was a very solid year of hockey from Buch between last draft and today.

Kravtsov hasn't played a game yet. The RW depth is as such:

Buch
Kakko
Fast (if re-signed)
Gauthier
Kravtsov

Whether or not we re-sign Fast, I'd rather keep Buch as of now, just so we don't risk of opening a new hole in the line-up.

If I’m not mistaken, Edge (@Edge correct me if I’m wrong) alluded to the fact that if he hadn’t been in a car accident that it was possibly he who was getting traded instead of Skjei. Wing depth is literally this team’s least important issue. There are glaring holes elsewhere.

 

[Leetch3]

The compliance buyout didn’t require the players approval. Richards was considerably older and was given more than 1 season with the team he signed with.

richards also was only bought out cause the league retroactively changed the rules on his contract. If it wasn’t for the recapture penalty we wouldn’t have bought him out

 

[NYR Viper]

If I’m not mistaken, Edge (@Edge correct me if I’m wrong) alluded to the fact that if he hadn’t been in a car accident that it was possibly he who was getting traded instead of Skjei. Wing depth is literally this team’s least important issue. There are glaring holes elsewhere.

This is possibly true but I don’t recall reading this.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

This is possibly true but I don’t recall reading this.

I’m not 100% on that but I remember something about it at the time. Regardless the Rangers have clearly considered trading him before and I haven’t seen anything that has changed that.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’m not 100% on that but I remember something about it at the time. Regardless the Rangers have clearly considered trading him before and I haven’t seen anything that has changed that.

This is 100% true. What I recall was that he said something like ‘if a Buch trade was close (and he confirmed they had conversations leading up to the deadline) it would evaporate at that time

 

[huerter]

The compliance buyout didn’t require the players approval. Richards was considerably older and was given more than 1 season with the team he signed with.

Holy moly, Trouba doesn't have a say until FA day. Richards age is irrelevant. He was signed with the intention for him to play here 9 years just like Trouba was signed with the intention to play here 7. Stuff happens. I get that Trouba has only been here 1 year as opposed to 3 but we don't have the luxury of waiting another 2 years or another 1 year. Why do you think I harp on it so feverishly? Literally every other item discussed in this thread is blank and giggles stuff. Only one item on the to do list is urgent.

 

[JCProdigy]

How do you have such a hard time understanding trade clauses

Detroit doesn't want him

Trouba doesn't want to leave

The Rangers don't want to move him

And Trouba can block it all anyway

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Dvorak is a tricky value to peg. I think that he could be a really solid complimentary center but we're also talking about a guy who is getting paid $4.5m per for 5 more years and has never scored more than 38 points in a season.

Never got the hype on this guy myself.

I agree, I had a hard time determining what would be ‘fair’. I assumed them replacing their 1st from 2017 and adding a 1st this year would be intriguing if they want to rebuild on the fly.

- 33 pts in 78GP, to 37 in 78, to 7 in 20 (season cut short by injury), to 38 in 70 this past yearyear.
- With an E +/- that has progressed from -10.7, to -3.1, to -0.6, to 8.7 during that same time.
- While his FO% has gone from 46.8%, to 51.4%, to 55.3%, to (essentially flat at) 55.1%.

All of this on Arizona, mind you. And he's only 24, signed to an eminently affordable $4.45MM/year for 5 more years on his contract.

He'd be an outstanding addition as a 2-way 2C (or 3C if Chytil bumps him down).

For me it’s not so much that I’m expecting him to come in and score 70 points, it’s that his skill set would seem like the perfect fit as the 2C moving forward. That and his contract is well within reason to even be a 3C if Chytil develops well. Defensively he’s already very good. So even if, conservatively, you project him as a 45 point 2-way center signed for 5 more years, that’s a real good fit for a team shaping up to be an offensive powerhouse on the wing

Or, as @NYR Viper said... ^^^

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I get it, I'm on an island over here. But can someone address my point about Richards though? What's the difference besides one was hold on to him/use compliance buyout and this one is hold on to him/trade him now?

Compliance buy outs have no cap penalty, and they were limited to two per team. We used the first one on Redden, the second on Richards.

A Lundqvist buy out clears 3m, with Georgiev RFA. It's more beneficial to buy out Staal to be honest but in either case, you are stuck with a cap penalty for 2021-22

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Holy moly, Trouba doesn't have a say until FA day. Richards age is irrelevant. He was signed with the intention for him to play here 9 years just like Trouba was signed with the intention to play here 7. Stuff happens. I get that Trouba has only been here 1 year as opposed to 3 but we don't have the luxury of waiting another 2 years or another 1 year. Why do you think I harp on it so feverishly? Literally every other item discussed in this thread is blank and giggles stuff. Only one item on the to do list is urgent.

Hilariously, the Rangers don’t share this this opinion at all. Get over it, he’s gonna be here.

 

[NYR Viper]

Holy moly, Trouba doesn't have a say until FA day. Richards age is irrelevant. He was signed with the intention for him to play here 9 years just like Trouba was signed with the intention to play here 7. Stuff happens. I get that Trouba has only been here 1 year as opposed to 3 but we don't have the luxury of waiting another 2 years or another 1 year. Why do you think I harp on it so feverishly? Literally every other item discussed in this thread is blank and giggles stuff. Only one item on the to do list is urgent.

Okay, I tried. I’m not sure how to explain this to you other than his NTC is already in effect as of 7/1 at which time the bonuses were also paid to all of the players due them even though they were originally slated for offseason payment and they weren’t in the offseason.

 

[huerter]

Okay, I tried. I’m not sure how to explain this to you other than his NTC is already in effect as of 7/1 at which time the bonuses were also paid to all of the players due them even though they were originally slated for offseason payment and they weren’t in the offseason.

Well I have heard differently and on cap friendly it doesn't show it.

 

[Avery16]

Okay, I tried. I’m not sure how to explain this to you other than his NTC is already in effect as of 7/1 at which time the bonuses were also paid to all of the players due them even though they were originally slated for offseason payment and they weren’t in the offseason.

Attaching something that was announced to something that wasn’t announced doesn’t have the effect of pulling the second thing into reality.

 

[huerter]

Compliance buy outs have no cap penalty, and they were limited to two per team. We used the first one on Redden, the second on Richards.

A Lundqvist buy out clears 3m, with Georgiev RFA. It's more beneficial to buy out Staal to be honest but in either case, you are stuck with a cap penalty for 2021-22

You didn't answer the question at all.

Richards decision was 3 years into his 9 year deal. It had to be made there and then. Do we get rid of him or do we play out the rest of his contract. They, smartly, got rid of him.

Trouba decision has to be made 1 year into his 7 year deal. Now or never. Do we trade him or do we let his NMC kick in and effectively we are stuck with him for the long haul. If we were smart, we would get rid of him. OBVIOUSLY, this is with the assumption that we would be able to find a taker. If we aren't able to find one then that just proves how terrible he was and how overpaid he is. But that shouldn't stop the fanbase, who loves to rip on overpaid guys and pontificate on how to get rid of them from pontificating their derrieres off. Lets go. Why is everyone so protective of Trouba? Nobody was of Staal, Girardi, Redden, Drury, Gomez, and on and on and on.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

You didn't answer the question at all.

Richards decision was 3 years into his 9 year deal. It had to be made there and then. Do we get rid of him or do we play out the rest of his contract. They, smartly, got rid of him.

Trouba decision has to be made 1 year into his 7 year deal. Now or never. Do we trade him or do we let his NMC kick in and effectively we are stuck with him for the long haul. If we were smart, we would get rid of him. OBVIOUSLY, this is with the assumption that we would be able to find a taker. If we aren't able to find one then that just proves how terrible he was and how overpaid he is. But that shouldn't stop the fanbase, who loves to rip on overpaid guys and pontificate on how to get rid of them from pontificating their derrieres off. Lets go. Why is everyone so protective of Trouba? Nobody was of Staal, Girardi, Redden, Drury, Gomez, and on and on and on.

You are talking about Trouba as if he's a net negative. Trouba is a top pair D-man getting paid market value and is in his prime. The Richards buy-out in 2014 was a no-brainer. Trouba makes this team better unlike Richards in 2014

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The Trouba argument falls apart when you start to list off Girardi, Redden, Staal and the like

Those guys were garbage, Trouba is not

 

[huerter]

You are talking about Trouba as if he's a net negative. Trouba is a top pair D-man getting paid market value and is in his prime. The Richards buy-out in 2014 was a no-brainer. Trouba makes this team better unlike Richards in 2014

Finally an answer, although I disagree wholeheartedly, actually addresses my question and has a logical flow.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Does the outcome of the Stars/Knights series have any impact on the third round we own from Dallas?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

You are talking about Trouba as if he's a net negative. Trouba is a top pair D-man getting paid market value and is in his prime. The Richards buy-out in 2014 was a no-brainer. Trouba makes this team better unlike Richards in 2014

Until the ADA situation gets resolved – either with him traded or the team figuring out how to keep, pay, and play him – this stupidity is going to continue. Because the majority of the posters who want to move him are ADA fanboys who are motivated primarily by the fact that they see his role/cap % as the reason Tony may eventually be moved.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Does the outcome of the Stars/Knights series have any impact on the third round we own from Dallas?

Yeah, it goes lower if Dallas wins.

 

[huerter]

Until the ADA situation gets resolved – either with him traded or the team figuring out how to keep, pay, and play him – this stupidity is going to continue. Because the majority of the posters who want to move him are ADA fanboys who are motivated primarily by the fact that they see his role/cap % as the reason Tony will/may eventually be moved.

Free agency day. AKA NMC day aka doomsday. Not ADA resolution day. Get your days straight.