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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LII

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Tawnos said:
"They didn't overachieve" and "they're ahead of schedule" are two opposing statements. They were ahead of schedule because they overachieved. And it's far more common for young teams to look lost during their first playoff series than it is for them to look comfortable. I think you're drawing too strong of a conclusion from a 3-game set after 4 months off anyway.

The team HAS shown identity and structure, just not consistently. I'd go as far as to say that the personality they showed as things were coming together earlier this year was very much David Quinn's personality. Not being able to have it consistently is yet another thing that happens with young teams.

The build isn't over. It's nearing the end, but it's not over. I don't expect this team to be any more than a bubble team next year.

I don't disagree that the team needs to show improvements and that will reflect on Quinn. I just look at what's happened the last two years and, instead of thinking they won't happen, I think they will.
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No. They are ahead of schedule because the NHL expanded the playoffs, they didn’t overachiever, they backed in and then they crashed down to earth. It’s one thing to be overmatched it’s another thing to be clueless. They were not a good team before the streak and they regressed back to the mean after restart.

I do not agree that there is identity and structure. Please tell me what the identity is, because you are seeing something that I am not. I do not agree that the rebuild is still a thing. They will have two Hart Candidates and two Calder candidates. Why can’t Igor do what Carter Hart did? That’s a recipe for a contender, especially in a weak Eastern Conference.

The team is ahead of schedule because they lucked into top lottery talent, not because Quinn is a wizard. He should have a short leash.
 
Lars Eller played under Martin in Montreal and would fit our needs like a glove. Washington isn't trading him here though.

mas0764 said:
I love when people say things like “we won’t trade so and so for draft picks because those are just futures and we are past that point of the rebuild.”

Oh? What if LA offered you the #2 overall for Buchnevich? Still not moving roster players for “futures”? You turning down Stutzle/Byfield?

It’s all about analyzing the spot in the draft you are offered and the players in that draft.

And in some drafts you can still get a certain stud at 7 or 8.
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Yup, and this is one of those drafts.

But at the end of the day, Ottawa isn't going to move either of those picks. The only team that may trade out of the top 10 is Buffalo, and I don't think we have the type of names that would interest them, especially since we've heard Gaudreau and OEL bounced around.
 
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haohmaru said:
If I want an Ottawa perspective about the Ottawa rebuild I'll go to the Ottawa boards. Maybe you should, too. Grasp that.
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Again telling posters how to post. Twice, bravo. Obviously you’re obsessed with me b/c you’ve ignored the poster who originated the proposal. Flattered by the obsession yet you will never get it.
 
haohmaru said:
If I want an Ottawa perspective about the Ottawa rebuild I'll go to the Ottawa boards. Maybe you should, too. Grasp that.
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This isn’t an unfair take. We have seen the crazy proposals for #1 overall. Not that fans always have the best perspective. I’d just play devil’s advocate on this - Ott needs to continue a major rebuild - ADA wouldn’t be an asset they’d have much interest in most likely. Unless they really miss Karlsson, and most likely they don’t.
 
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mas0764 said:
I love when people say things like “we won’t trade so and so for draft picks because those are just futures and we are past that point of the rebuild.”

Oh? What if LA offered you the #2 overall for Buchnevich? Still not moving roster players for “futures”? You turning down Stutzle/Byfield?

It’s all about analyzing the spot in the draft you are offered and the players in that draft.

And in some drafts you can still get a certain stud at 7 or 8.
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Yeah, but you're removing context entirely from the discussion and then adding a "what if" to the situation that's a slam dunk for us.

The Rangers are heavy on wings, so, sure they'd trade Buchnevich for LA's #2. So what? LA looks at that and says GTFO of here.

ADA, at 24, is a rarity and, when you have that, you don't give it away unless you're certain of the return. That's my take, regardless of the state of the rebuild.
 
mas0764 said:
I love when people say things like “we won’t trade so and so for draft picks because those are just futures and we are past that point of the rebuild.”

Oh? What if LA offered you the #2 overall for Buchnevich? Still not moving roster players for “futures”? You turning down Stutzle/Byfield?

It’s all about analyzing the spot in the draft you are offered and the players in that draft.

And in some drafts you can still get a certain stud at 7 or 8.
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of course you take the deal. A few around here wouldn’t and we’ve read who they are lol
 
NYRangers16 said:
This isn’t an unfair take. We have seen the crazy proposals for #1 overall. Not that fans always have the best perspective. I’d just play devil’s advocate on this - Ott needs to continue a major rebuild - ADA wouldn’t be an asset they’d have much interest in most likely. Unless they really miss Karlsson, and most likely they don’t.
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careful, this isn’t an Ottawa board.:rolleyes:
 
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Maybe I'm in the minority but I would have a hard time seeing the Rangers trading DeAngelo for #5. #3 I could see because you're back in that top echelon and you're getting a center but I don't see the same appeal even two spots later. We're hyper critical of DeAngelo around here but he's still a proven commodity at a premium position with a coveted skill set. I don't think you gamble that kind of asset on just a draft pick.

Just seems like one of those things that doesn't make a lot of sense for either team.
 
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GoAwayStaal said:
Lars Eller played under Martin in Montreal and would fit our needs like a glove. Washington isn't trading him here though.



Yup, and this is one of those drafts.

But at the end of the day, Ottawa isn't going to move either of those picks. The only team that may trade out of the top 10 is Buffalo, and I don't think we have the type of names that would interest them, especially since we've heard Gaudreau and OEL bounced around.
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Saw an Eklund rumor saying Buffalo was going to go hard after Taylor Hall and had a 25% chance to get him, to which I say: LOL
 
Who are some names that might be available in a trade with our Car pick going the other way?

There are several teams with out a 1st in this draft and a few others who I imagine would love to add another.
 
Trxjw said:
Maybe I'm in the minority but I would have a hard time seeing the Rangers trading DeAngelo for #5. #3 I could see because you're back in that top echelon and you're getting a center but I don't see the same appeal even two spots later. We're hyper critical of DeAngelo around here but he's still a proven commodity at a premium position with a coveted skill set. I don't think you gamble that kind of asset on just a draft pick.

Just seems like one of those things that doesn't make a lot of sense for either team.
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Don't think Ottawa would do it just because they'd need to give him money
 
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Trxjw said:
Maybe I'm in the minority but I would have a hard time seeing the Rangers trading DeAngelo for #5. #3 I could see because you're back in that top echelon and you're getting a center but I don't see the same appeal even two spots later. We're hyper critical of DeAngelo around here but he's still a proven commodity at a premium position with a coveted skill set. I don't think you gamble that kind of asset on just a draft pick.

Just seems like one of those things that doesn't make a lot of sense for either team.
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If it were a talent issue alone, it would be no question. But consider the cap and also our roster.
 
NYSPORTS said:
Again telling posters how to post. Twice, bravo. Obviously you’re obsessed with me b/c you’ve ignored the poster who originated the proposal. Flattered by the obsession yet you will never get it.
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I haven't told you, or anyone else, "how to post". Ever.

And, yes, I'm obsessed with your keen intellect, astute hockey knowledge, the reverence and respect you have for veteran posters here, and your deep breadth and understanding of all things Ottawa. I simply can't wait until you post again so I can read it immediately and bask in the glow of all things NYSPORTS.

I've seen this take from you towards other posters and it's comical. Just stop.
 
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