Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LII

[haohmaru]

i could see Ottawa parting with their 3rd #1 at #21 overall for an ADA or using a few of their four #2 picks for him yet i doubt they will move #5 overall.

Gorton is not moving ADA for draft picks. He'll want a top 6 forward in return if he's shopping him at all.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Gorton is not moving ADA for draft picks. He'll want a top 6 forward in return if he's shopping him at all.

the conversation is about what Ottawa would give up, not Gordon.

 

[Kovalev27]

I think when it happens and it will soon enough mike Sullivan will be our next coach and reunite with Martin.

 

[haohmaru]

the conversation is about what Ottawa would give up, not Gordon.

Gorton.

Well, this is the Rangers forum, not the Ottawa forum, so speculating about Ottawa trade bait that doesn't involve a Rangers perspective seems kind of pointless. It takes two to trade.

Ottawa can dangle whatever draft picks they want, I don't think Gorton is looking for more picks for a player like ADA.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Gorton.

Well, this is the Rangers forum, not the Ottawa forum, so speculating about Ottawa trade bait that doesn't involve a Rangers perspective seems kind of pointless. It takes two to trade.

Ottawa can dangle whatever draft picks they want, I don't think Gorton is looking for more picks for a player like ADA.

Im relatively certain that if Ottawa dangled the 3 or the 5, DeAngelo would be a Senator next year.

Ottawa won't, so this is really a non discussion.

 

[NYSPORTS]

Well, this is the Rangers forum, not the Ottawa forum, so speculating about Ottawa trade bait that doesn't involve a Rangers perspective seems kind of pointless. It takes two to trade.
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nice to see you calling out the posters participating in this conversation and what to post. I’ll bite my lip as where you can stick it.

 

[NYR Viper]

Gorton is not moving ADA for draft picks. He'll want a top 6 forward in return if he's shopping him at all.

I know 3-way deals rarely happen, but it may be possible that Gorton may prefer a boat-load of futures to move them elsewhere to a team in need of cap space. Maybe a team like Toronto or Arizona would prefer the picks/prospects while a team like Ottawa may prefer the proven young player to help propel their team forward sooner rather than later.

 

[haohmaru]

nice to see you calling out the posters participating in this conversation and what to post. I’ll bite my lip as where you can stick it.

I'm not "calling out" anyone. All I'm saying is that it takes two to make a trade that makes sense for both organizations. Hypothetically putting out all kinds of stuff that one organization probably isn't looking for doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You have a real problem with people expressing their opinion(s) when they don't line up with yours and then create false narratives about the intent of the person posting.

I'm certainly entitled to post that I don't think it makes a lot of sense for the Rangers in a New York Rangers forum. You can like that or not.

 

[bobbop]

So what? Who's to say how fluent Zibanejad is in Finnish? His father is Iranian and I doubt he speaks Finnish. He grew up in Sweden, speaking Swedish. Without growing up in the Zibanejad household, who's to say how much Finnish was spoken at home? Maybe Zibanejad knows basic words and phrases.

Mika’s mother is Finnish.

 

[haohmaru]

I know 3-way deals rarely happen, but it may be possible that Gorton may prefer a boat-load of futures to move them elsewhere to a team in need of cap space. Maybe a team like Toronto or Arizona would prefer the picks/prospects while a team like Ottawa may prefer the proven young player to help propel their team forward sooner rather than later.

Gorton, with or without buying out Lundqvist/Staal, is going to be up against it cap-wise. He's going to need young(ish) and less expensive options instead of futures to fill an NHL roster. He, likely, won't be able to afford ADA & Strome & Fast & Georgiev, etc.... but he still needs to field 20-21 players on an NHL roster.

I'd hate to see picks + Staal (for example) go somewhere just for the sake of dumping cap, but if it does it had better be later picks than the 1st round.

 

[Edge]

Mika’s mother is Finnish.

Hey now, Bob.

There's no need to bring someone's mother into this.

Let's keep it civil ladies and gentlemen!

 

[Savant]

Except Quinn is not on the hot seat.

Why shouldn’t he be?

 

[Savant]

What evidence is there that Quinn is on the hot seat?

Why shouldn’t he be. Getting swept in resounding fashion doesn’t give the warm and fuzzies.

 

[Tawnos]

Why shouldn’t he be?

Despite the 3 games there, the team overachieved this season. Several young players have taken huge strides under his guidance. There’s not really a good reason for him to be on the hot seat.

 

[Kendo]

If only he had the attitude to figure his life out before he was traded twice. Oh well. I don't miss Miller for a second. 2011-2018 Miller, that is

True, true.

Just in the discussion of players picked by the Rangers, he deserves a mention.

 

[haohmaru]

Im relatively certain that if Ottawa dangled the 3 or the 5, DeAngelo would be a Senator next year.

Ottawa won't, so this is really a non discussion.

I'm relatively certain of the exact opposite but, hey, that's what forums are for. Who's taking his spot should the impossible occur? Miller? Smith?

 

[Savant]

Despite the 3 games there, the team overachieved this season. Several young players have taken huge strides under his guidance. There’s not really a good reason for him to be on the hot seat.

1I wouldn’t say they overachieved. They rode a hot streak and were ahead of schedule because of it. Looked absolutely lost in the playoff series, which to me is more telling.

Davidson didn’t hire him. Gorton did obviously, but Davidson isn’t going to be attached to him if he struggled.

There are very good replacement options available right now. This isn’t a rebuild job anymore. Do they need a rebuilding coach if the rebuild is over? Winning two lotteries accelerated the team.

Finally I think to justify keeping that job the team needs to show some identity and some structure. Quinn has not shown he can develop that. So yeah, I think Quinn should be on the hot seat. It may not be entirely his fault but he needs to show a lot this season.

 

[CommaSynapse]

Gorton, with or without buying out Lundqvist/Staal, is going to be up against it cap-wise. He's going to need young(ish) and less expensive options instead of futures to fill an NHL roster. He, likely, won't be able to afford ADA & Strome & Fast & Georgiev, etc.... but he still needs to field 20-21 players on an NHL roster.

I'd hate to see picks + Staal (for example) go somewhere just for the sake of dumping cap, but if it does it had better be later picks than the 1st round.

I just need it to be better filler guys than PDG or McKegg.

Staal also has a full NMC, so it'll end up being a buyout or moving Smith or something along those lines.

 

[Ola]

To a large extent, I only really believe in this ‘getting a fellow countrymen’ if that countrymen is someone you would want the kid to be around all the time anyway. I rather have Buch hang around Kreider and Co than Namestnikov if you get what I mean.

 

[haohmaru]

Gorton, this summer:

"I think it’s reasonable to assume that we’ll be out there looking to see how we can better our team," he said. "We have a number of picks, a couple first-rounders, obviously, and ways to better our team. Last year was very similar. We used some draft picks to acquire (defenseman Adam) Fox. We used another draft pick to acquire (defenseman Jacob) Trouba. Those are the kinds of things we'll look into and go through. It’s no different this year."

Which is why I don't think he's looking for picks for ADA - unless he's flipping them for a young top six forward.

 

[Thirty One]

Love the acquisitions of (defenseman Adam) and (defenseman Jacob)

 

[Tawnos]

1I wouldn’t say they overachieved. They rode a hot streak and were ahead of schedule because of it. Looked absolutely lost in the playoff series, which to me is more telling.

Davidson didn’t hire him. Gorton did obviously, but Davidson isn’t going to be attached to him if he struggled.

There are very good replacement options available right now. This isn’t a rebuild job anymore. Do they need a rebuilding coach if the rebuild is over? Winning two lotteries accelerated the team.

Finally I think to justify keeping that job the team needs to show some identity and some structure. Quinn has not shown he can develop that. So yeah, I think Quinn should be on the hot seat. It may not be entirely his fault but he needs to show a lot this season.

"They didn't overachieve" and "they're ahead of schedule" are two opposing statements. They were ahead of schedule because they overachieved. And it's far more common for young teams to look lost during their first playoff series than it is for them to look comfortable. I think you're drawing too strong of a conclusion from a 3-game set after 4 months off anyway.

The team HAS shown identity and structure, just not consistently. I'd go as far as to say that the personality they showed as things were coming together earlier this year was very much David Quinn's personality. Not being able to have it consistently is yet another thing that happens with young teams.

The build isn't over. It's nearing the end, but it's not over. I don't expect this team to be any more than a bubble team next year.

I don't disagree that the team needs to show improvements and that will reflect on Quinn. I just look at what's happened the last two years and, instead of thinking they won't happen, I think they will.

 

[Ola]

1I wouldn’t say they overachieved. They rode a hot streak and were ahead of schedule because of it. Looked absolutely lost in the playoff series, which to me is more telling.

Davidson didn’t hire him. Gorton did obviously, but Davidson isn’t going to be attached to him if he struggled.

There are very good replacement options available right now. This isn’t a rebuild job anymore. Do they need a rebuilding coach if the rebuild is over? Winning two lotteries accelerated the team.

Finally I think to justify keeping that job the team needs to show some identity and some structure. Quinn has not shown he can develop that. So yeah, I think Quinn should be on the hot seat. It may not be entirely his fault but he needs to show a lot this season.

To use an analogy: David Quinn is Phil Dunphy. Right now Jimmy McNulty is available, Toby Ziegler is available, Vic Mackey is available, Frank Underwood is available. Is Phil Dunphy the right guy to lead us into battle? Maybe. Maybe not. (And yes, Howden is Luke)

 

[Thirty One]

To use an analogy: David Quinn is Phil Dunphy. Right now Jimmy McNulty is available, Toby Ziegler is available, Vic Mackey is available, Frank Underwood is available. Is Phil Dunphy the right guy to lead us into battle? Maybe. Maybe not.

What is this analogy trying to communicate?

 

[Ola]

What is this analogy trying to communicate?

The beauty is, this analogy tells more than many thousand words. I can not describe it in a post. You must picture it!