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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LII

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haohmaru said:
Yeah, but you're removing context entirely from the discussion and then adding a "what if" to the situation that's a slam dunk for us.

The Rangers are heavy on wings, so, sure they'd trade Buchnevich for LA's #2. So what? LA looks at that and says GTFO of here.

ADA, at 24, is a rarity and, when you have that, you don't give it away unless you're certain of the return. That's my take, regardless of the state of the rebuild.
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I was just giving a hypothetical that refutes the rule. A rejection of trading any given player probably requires more specificity than saying “not for futures,” unless it’s like Sidney Crosby.

I’d certainly deal ADA for Stutzle or Byfield given our roster construction. It’s just a question of where the cut off is for you.
 
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NYRangers16 said:
If it were a talent issue alone, it would be no question. But consider the cap and also our roster.
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They're concerns but they're not really concerns that are forcing their hand. The Rangers could opt for arbitration and punt until next summer if they really wanted to. There's enough ice time to go around on the right side, especially if the left is so lousy that you're experimenting with Fox or DeAngelo on the left.

We also don't know what the future holds for Lundqvist and Staal.
 
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NYRangers16 said:
Most likely, but we are short roster players not picks/prospects. Look at what the Padres did today in MLB. Those are the moves you make when you have a loaded farm system.
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don’t believe the Rangers would do it either. On the contrary, Ottawa wouldn’t part with a top 5 pick for ADA plus.

it’s about time the Padres made a move. They sat too quiet last season IMO.
 
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Trxjw said:
They're concerns but they're not really concerns that are forcing their hand. The Rangers could opt for arbitration and punt until next summer if they really wanted to. There's enough ice time to go around on the right side, especially if the left is so lousy that you're experimenting with Fox or DeAngelo on the left.

We also don't know what the future holds for Lundqvist and Staal.
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so happy you mentioned that!!!! Bravo

yes, for both ADA and Strome the Rangers could opt for arbitration so the deadline or sign or trade isn’t immediate.
 
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Trxjw said:
They're concerns but they're not really concerns that are forcing their hand. The Rangers could opt for arbitration and punt until next summer if they really wanted to. There's enough ice time to go around on the right side, especially if the left is so lousy that you're experimenting with Fox or DeAngelo on the left.

We also don't know what the future holds for Lundqvist and Staal.
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No, nothing is forcing their hand. Internal improvement will continue.

Again, devil’s advocate:

1)Is it realistic to expect the team to move ADA to the left side? And furthermore, should we have any expectations that it will work. 2 separate, but very important questions that strongly affect us.

2)Even if there is zero pressure, shouldn’t the goal be to construct the best roster possible, as far as we can envision it?

A lot of things can happen.. as you mentioned re:Staal/Lundqvist, TDA could explode, Fox could implode... we go off of what is most likely. Part of the fun of discussing these things :)
 
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mas0764 said:
I was just giving a hypothetical that refutes the rule. A rejection of trading any given player probably requires more specificity than saying “not for futures,” unless it’s like Sidney Crosby.

I’d certainly deal ADA for Stutzle or Byfield given our roster construction. It’s just a question of where the cut off is for you.
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Well, I'd admit that the 2, likely Byfield, would make me think about it a lot harder than the 3 or 5.

Has ADA peaked? Probably not. Will Byfield ever be as good at center offensively (relative to other centers) as ADA is relative to other defenseman? I don't know.

My take is entirely based on what the Rangers need and I think I was pretty specific about not a 1st round pick (3 or 5) - unless you're not specifically addressing me in which case I'll be quiet.
 
haohmaru said:
Well, I'd admit that the 2, likely Byfield, would make me think about it a lot harder than the 3 or 5.

Has ADA peaked? Probably not. Will Byfield ever be as good at center offensively (relative to other centers) as ADA is relative to other defenseman? I don't know.

My take is entirely based on what the Rangers need and I think I was pretty specific about not a 1st round pick (3 or 5) - unless you're not specifically addressing me in which case I'll be quiet.
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I was talking people in general, not specifically you.

But I will say I kinda find it crazy that anyone wouldn’t trade ADA for Byfield/Stutzle.

And I like ADA.

But we have very similar studs on D, but very little at future center options.
 
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GoAwayStaal said:
Who are some names that might be available in a trade with our Car pick going the other way?

There are several teams with out a 1st in this draft and a few others who I imagine would love to add another.
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I mean I gotta think Arizona would be interested in picking up a 1st this year. Especially if the Rangers are willing to send minimal / more manageable money back in the deal. We've all talked about Dvorak as a great fit but Schmaltz could be an option as well depending on how the Rangers view him. The jury seems to still be out on whether or not he's a center in the NHL but maybe the Rangers like the versatility in the same way they like Lindholm's ability to play center or wing. Chayka went a little nutty with that contract though so who knows if that's going to look like a bargain or an anchor in two years.

Chicago would probably be all ears if someone offered a 1st for Dylan Strome.
 
Trxjw said:
I mean I gotta think Arizona would be interested in picking up a 1st this year. Especially if the Rangers are willing to send minimal / more manageable money back in the deal. We've all talked about Dvorak as a great fit but Schmaltz could be an option as well depending on how the Rangers view him. The jury seems to still be out on whether or not he's a center in the NHL but maybe the Rangers like the versatility in the same way they like Lindholm's ability to play center or wing. Chayka went a little nutty with that contract though so who knows if that's going to look like a bargain or an anchor in two years.

Chicago would probably be all ears if someone offered a 1st for Dylan Strome.
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I'd pass on Schmaltz and Strome. Too much of the same with those guys.
 
NYRangers16 said:
No, nothing is forcing their hand. Internal improvement will continue.

Again, devil’s advocate:

1)Is it realistic to expect the team to move ADA to the left side? And furthermore, should we have any expectations that it will work. 2 separate, but very important questions that strongly affect us.

2)Even if there is zero pressure, shouldn’t the goal be to construct the best roster possible, as far as we can envision it?

A lot of things can happen.. as you mentioned re:Staal/Lundqvist, TDA could explode, Fox could implode... we go off of what is most likely. Part of the fun of discussing these things :)
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I'm actually right there with you regarding #1. I think even if the Rangers move him to the left, it's hard to see where he fits in. I can't see them saying "let's put him out there with Trouba against other team's top lines" and stacking Fox and DeAngelo together on the 2nd pairing seems like putting all of your offensive eggs in one basket.

As far as #2 goes, absolutely. I just don't think the team has to go into next season with all of the pieces perfectly in place. Lundkvist won't be here until Lulea's season is over. So there's no pressing need to clear a spot for him. If the Rangers don't make any big moves this off-season we're undoubtedly a better team with TDA than we are without. So in that sense just keeping the band together is icing the best roster possible. It's entirely plausible that the trade the team is looking for just doesn't materialize.

I think we as fans tend to view the off-season as the time to scramble to fix as many problems as possible. In reality GM's tend to be pretty content if they can solve one big hole in their roster. So maybe that's adding a 2C and bumping Strome out to the right. Maybe it's moving Buch for a LD and finding a reclamation project to compete with Strome and Chytil for those middle-six center spots. Maybe it's just replacing McKegg and PDG with grittier, better options. Regardless, I think we should prepare ourselves for the possibility that the team in November very closely resembles the team that got shellacked by Carolina. The key difference being the addition of a certain Quebecois left winger with franchise-altering upside. :)
 
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If the Rangers are able to move Smith and/or buyout Staal (really both would need to go in any scenario) and they could not come away with top 4 LD via trade this offseason OR sign a guy like Dillon...thoughts on signing Chara to a short term 1 year deal? Stopgap move with a presence on the backend while we transition to our young LD in our system. Especially now with Jacques Martin in the fold. Again this is a “Option C or D” choice
 
RGY said:
If the Rangers are able to move Smith and/or buyout Staal (really both would need to go in any scenario) and they could not come away with top 4 LD via trade this offseason OR sign a guy like Dillon...thoughts on signing Chara to a short term 1 year deal? Stopgap move with a presence on the backend while we transition to our young LD in our system. Especially now with Jacques Martin in the fold. Again this is a “Option C or D” choice
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Chara is cooked. He's basically a Goon at this point.
 
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GoAwayStaal said:
Chara is cooked. He's basically a Goon at this point.
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Yeah I was thinking the same. Just dont think he has the ability to keep up with the speed of the game. Just looking it as a possible cheaper commitment with more of a presence than Smith/Staal if other options failed for the 2020-2021 season only.
 
RGY said:
Yeah I was thinking the same. Just dont think he has the ability to keep up with the speed of the game. Just looking it as a possible cheaper commitment with more of a presence than Smith/Staal if other options failed for the 2020-2021 season only.
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I dont think hes an improvement on Smith.

He's basically a bigger Staal+goonery.
 
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Still hoping the team kicks the tires on Jankowski. I think there's potential for him to be a really good bottom-six player. Shades of Brian Boyle in his game but I think he's more naturally gifted offensively and is a much, much better skater.
 
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