Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LI
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JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
- Oct 8, 2010
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I sincerely doubt someone went thru the trouble of making a parody account lmao
Dvorak would be a really interesting target. You could bring him in to play the same role between Kakko and Panarin as he played in London with Tkachuk and Marner.
I really don't think the Yotes would trade him though.
I really don't think the Yotes would trade him though.
With Covid and the amount of money they have on the books, they may have no choice.
Like OEL will be an easy guy for them to move, but that may not be enough. Not like they have draft picks to attach to players.
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NYR Viper
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I think that's too steep. I think the goal would be to get a player who puts up similar point totals as Buch with a pick in the 8-15 range. So basically we are trading Buch for a lottery ticket that may become Buch. In saying that, draft picks also have risk so to me, Buch + 21 for 8 is too much.
NYR Viper
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Also:
Brendan Smith for Michael Grabner should be a no-brainer thing for both teams
Brendan Smith for Michael Grabner should be a no-brainer thing for both teams
NYR Viper
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I would really like Dvorak but we know the Rangers have asked about Keller before and in his draft year they looked at him as a center...
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i would be fine with Canes pick in a package for Chychrun, to play along side Trouba
I have not been on the 'fix left D now' bandwagon, but this may be a rare opportunity
Money is of course a problem for them, but guys like Dvorak and Chychrun are locked up with term on back-loaded contracts. They get paid less than their cap hit next season so they're gold for a cap floor team. Not to mention they're important players to them.
If they have to shed money, they can deal the guys with 1 year left on their deal. Demers, Gogo, Hjalmarson, Stepan, etc.
OEL might get dealt but that's a situational trade rather than a financially driven one.
Amazing Kreiderman
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Lundell will be ready. He can't come over until the 2021-22 season because I feel he will be on the NT for the EHT and WC
He's another guy who would probably be lights out in terms of scoring but is more of a luxury than a need. He's also about to start a $7m per year contract.
HatTrick Swayze
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Would be big fan of adding Dvorak. Though @Fitzy point on PK is interesting. Doing a 5 min overview of his stats this year he was 4th best among regular AZ forwards on xGA/60 following Fischer, Capobianco, and Keller. 3rd best among regular fowards in xGF %. And from a quality standpoint 2nd/3rd among regular forwards (if you consider Hayton's 20 games) in HDCF %. Seems like far from a huge defensive liability.
I know @bobbop has said no way on Dvorak though. It will be interesting to see what direction the new GM takes that franchise.
I know @bobbop has said no way on Dvorak though. It will be interesting to see what direction the new GM takes that franchise.
Edge
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1. I think it's holding steady, I don't think it's gone up or down. I also think a lot of teams, including the Rangers thinj Buch is the type of support guy whose production can climb significantly as a team's core comes online around him.
2. Lundell is probably ready and could reasonably step into a bottom six role next season. Now having said that, he might not come over for a variety of reasons including the commitments that Steven mentioned.
Rossi has the higher offensive upside, and I'd say is probably seen by most to be the more enticing prospect. I think he'd have a shot to step in next season as well.
Arizona is in a weird spot.
They were perpetually rebuilding under Chayka, got a taste of the playoffs this year and have a bunch of old guys signed for another year.
Their farm blows, they have no draft picks for the next 2 years. How long do they think they have to get this turned around? It may benefit them to just tear it down and start over for real under the watch of someone who isn't a dope.
They were perpetually rebuilding under Chayka, got a taste of the playoffs this year and have a bunch of old guys signed for another year.
Their farm blows, they have no draft picks for the next 2 years. How long do they think they have to get this turned around? It may benefit them to just tear it down and start over for real under the watch of someone who isn't a dope.
HatTrick Swayze
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Yea I could say it either way. Further throw financial considerations into the mix.
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GeorgeKaplan
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Honestly it's probably for the best. Before all the schedule rearranging, I was worried that whoever drafted him would bring him right over and have him be mr. defensive bottom 6 center right off the bat
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Hmm, but I think if you were to get a Lundell who projects at center, but to be better defensively and still put up 50+ points, as Buch does, I think based on position and defensive acumen that's more valuable than Buch, and so I don't mind paying Buch+.
Also, I'm ok with overpaying because the entire objective of this rebuild has been to flood the system with assets and then use those assets to assemble the best team.
As the wingers who are above Buch on the eventual payscale go, there is Panarin, Lafreniere, Kakko, Kreider, a decent chance of Kravtsov, and who knows who else ends up being acquired? Buch's value to us is ultimately a third line wing+++, but nonetheless a third liner. Even if he is the "second best RW" on the roster, the roster can't keep him if he's on a second line winger contract. Instead, we would more efficiently role three scoring lines with Kreider as a third line wing+++, and we'd fill in the right hand sides with, like..... Jesper Fast types.
Instead of this imbalance, I'm ok with dealing from our excess assets to balance it out a little by turning Buch into a center like Lundell. If that takes overpayment, I can acknowledge it's overpayment as long as it's not unduly damaging.
Which I don't think Buch + 21 is. What are we shortchanging by doing that? We are stocked almost everywhere but center.
East Coast Bias
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I'm not particularly high on Brendan Smith, but who is playing the left side?
We don't have anyone outside of Lindgren to play. Hopefully Staal is gone some way.
Take Smith out and it's legit 1 guy left.
gravey9
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On the subject of Arizona, I could see them wanting Buch, Strome or even Georgy, but I have no idea what they would possibly be willing to give up.
They are in this very weird spot. They have a mix of young and old. The old is likely the money they want to move out. Trading any youth right now is a real dangerous proposition given they will have a real gap in the pipeline.
If they are willing to move any youth, it'll be because they don't see them having a future in AZ. And that may not be the kind of youth we want to add to ours.
The only d ways we coul pry a Dvorak or Chychrun from them is to offer up something that gave them more potential down the road: say a 1st and a Kravtsov or Lundkvist And they'd have to see a guy they really like being avail at 22-24.
Or they would have to be really stupid and decide they're just going to go all in because they don't have high picks for a few years. In that case, they'd be looking for solid vet pieces and maybe Buch or Strome are those. I can actually see Fast being a fit for them.
They are in this very weird spot. They have a mix of young and old. The old is likely the money they want to move out. Trading any youth right now is a real dangerous proposition given they will have a real gap in the pipeline.
If they are willing to move any youth, it'll be because they don't see them having a future in AZ. And that may not be the kind of youth we want to add to ours.
The only d ways we coul pry a Dvorak or Chychrun from them is to offer up something that gave them more potential down the road: say a 1st and a Kravtsov or Lundkvist And they'd have to see a guy they really like being avail at 22-24.
Or they would have to be really stupid and decide they're just going to go all in because they don't have high picks for a few years. In that case, they'd be looking for solid vet pieces and maybe Buch or Strome are those. I can actually see Fast being a fit for them.
NYR Viper
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I'd rather go find someone as a UFA than watch Brendan Smith for a full season. Also Grabner is actually effective at his role
n8
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2-3 months? I was thinking 1-2 years.
re: Strome - I just think it's bad asset management. He has value and you are creating a giant hole in the roster. It falls into that category of "if you have to make another move/trade to justify this trade, it's probably not a good trade you want to make." Also, if you are acquiring the 8OA, the 21OA is most likely going into the trade. A lot of the Strome situation depends on what sort of extension numbers we are talking about. And if signed, does that give him more or less value?
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n8
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yeah and he's not happy getting put on the 3rd line. boo hoo. I don't like that attitude from someone who hasn't amounted to a 2B center.
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