Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LI

[NYR Viper]

I'd much prefer to pay for Lindhom than Monahan

 

[Lion Hound]

Im wondering how much the current state of NYC will effect the players and will it effect any of their decisions to actually stay there? Many years ago, the majority of the players lived outside of Manhattan. Long Beach, Nassau, Rye, Rockland etc. The early 90's teams changed all that. Basically Mess and Leetch started a new trend of players actually living in Manhattan. Now most of them all live there. I really wonder if any of them are going to out their homes up for sale and move back into those areas? Like the players with kids, and wives and whatnot. I would be they are already making moves.

Got me thinking....

This is the best cauldren of players within the system i have seen since 94. Combo of some legit veteran players who are maturing and some of the best youth we have seen this club draft and develop. Add 1OA for 2020 and its like the hockey gods have come together and said..."They shall be a powerhouse". When things come together like this, it gets other players juices flowing. Players that would want to come and join in on this exciting young club. Players maybe coming for less.

...Then there is this little pandemic, and protesting, and shut down of nearly EVERYTHING!

Very concerned on how this is going to play out.

 

[Tawnos]

For sure, but I doubt Lindholms availability. It makes all the sense in the world for Calagary to move on from players in the Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Jankowski group while building around Tkachuk and Lindholm up front.

The Rangers were a legit AF offensive team after the new year. 5th in xGF (10th in actual GF) 5v5 with the best pp in the league over that time frame. I know that the bubble games made it seem like they were 1OA pick worthy, but for almost half a seasons worth of games, scoring wasn't a problem.

Adding offense to an already productive offense is well... Not a bad thing, but I'm 100% in agreement that we need to add some diversity amongst the top 9 (and put together an actual 4th line.) Having legitimate star players is nice (and if we're honest, necessary to win in this league) but the supporting cast isn't utilitarian enough.

Yes, I agree. I mean, we have some reports that Lindholm is someone that's been discussed between the Rangers and Flames, but those are just reports.

Frankly, I wish we could do something like upgrade Fast to a player like Reilly Smith or Brandon Saad. Someone who is also a really good PKer, but can really contribute offensively. Not easy to find.

You can find lesser versions of that in players like Blake Coleman, Mattias Janmark, Ivan Barbashev, or Joel Eriksson Ek. Not saying that those guys are available, aside from Janmark. Of course, you can also just keep Fast.

 

[SA16]

There are very few realistic things things I can think of that would be worse for the future of this team than spending significant money to improve the 2C position especially if it is for an offense only guy.

 

[NYR Viper]

What type of contract does Mattias Janmark receive in UFA?

 

[Edge]

There are very few realistic things things I can think of that would be worse for the future of this team than spending significant money to improve the 2C position especially if it is for an offense only guy.

I think that's why some of the names don't quite get me too excited, and why the interest in someone like Lindholm makes sense to me.

 

[eco's bones]

Lundell is a great combination of high future upside (he could end up being a low-end defensively responsible 1C, that is not out of the question), low ceiling (he seems almost a lock to at least be a quality 3C), and NHL readiness (his game translates to contributing to an NHL roster right now). Given this, he's almost the perfect prospect for the Rangers - likely able to contribute to a playoff team SOON (if not this season maybe next), but with the ability to development into a perfect 2C or even 1C insurance for Zibanejad (as a 50-60 point center, if you could project Lundell as that, would be more than fine with Panarin, Kakko, and Lafreniere as his top wing options).

I would definitely overpay Buffalo to get 8 if he's there.

Carolina pick (22), Buch or Strome, and Georgiev for 8? Done.

I really don't see the Rangers giving up two young roster players + a 1st to move up to 8. I can see Buffalo being interested in Buch and not so much Strome. Buffalo has an issue keeping Eichel happy--that's why I see them wanting a scoring winger and Buch could be of some interest to them.

If the Rangers are going to intervene I think Lundell is going to need to fall into the 12/13/14 range. Rangers maybe give up a young roster player, a prospect and the Car. 1st. I could see any number of players who might fit--Buch might be one, Georgiev possibly (we should go out and get another goalie then), Gauthier, or someone like Barron or Zac Jones, Lias Andersson.

Chytil would be a no. Chytil's at least where Lundell is now--I'd say even further along.

 

[True Blue]

Of course, you can also just keep Fast.

Like Fast and what he brings, but when we discus diversifying the line up, that is the type of player that I can see going. If they are going to add sandpaper component, it will probably be in bottom 6.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Well I was saying after their EU seasons ended. Which I thought was normally the case. They could come over at that point.

Yeah, sorry. This crazy delayed schedule resulting in training camp being in November for the new season makes it difficult to understand which season you were referring to.

 

[bobbop]

I'd much prefer to pay for Lindhom than Monahan

You could melt the ice at one end of a the rink and Monahan wouldn’t notice.

 

[Tawnos]

Like Fast and what he brings, but when we discus diversifying the line up, that is the type of player that I can see going. If they are going to add sandpaper component, it will probably be in bottom 6.

If you remove Fast for sandpaper, and that paper isn't a great defensive player, you're not diversifying the lineup. You're trading one kind of diversity for another.

 

[eco's bones]

So those offering Georgiev assume Hanks back ? If not they need a cheap backup

I'm not a fan of Henrik coming back next season. If I were the Rangers and he didn't retire I would buy him out. Too much cap for a backup goalie and I don't think he can hold up his end anymore. The most games Igor's played in a single year including playoffs is 51 (that's back to 2013-14)--so if we want him rested for the playoffs---I don't think dropping 60 regular season games on him and then expecting him to take us deep into the playoffs is a bright idea. So the backup goalie is going to be an important player for us and if he can't play at least .500 that puts enormous pressure on Igor. To squeak into the playoffs a team needs to at least be +13 wins over losses to get to 95 points. The margins for us on this IMO are very narrow. If our backup goalie can't hold up his end we're probably not going to make the playoffs. Henrik's been under water since the day the letter came out--maybe he can carry his share of the load but I wouldn't want to bet on it. It's not going to be a good look for the Rangers if they have to buy him out but it's not going to be a good look for Henrik if he's a main reason why we take a step back and fail next year.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Fast is like the only guy who I would consider a utility guy within our roster from last year. I'm not down with overpaying him (if he wants 3x3 I wish him good luck) but I'd keep him over a guy like Strome.

The sandpaper add should be there in place of Buchnevich, not necessarily Fast.

 

[bobbop]

Id swap out Danault for Strome for a lot of reasons. Much better defensively, better PK guy, good on face offs and perhaps most importantly, someone who could evolve into a shutdown third center over time. Perfectly capable of replacing Strome next to Panarin. One year on a bargain contract and then 3-4 years on a middle six veteran contract. On top of everything else, someone who can help Lafreniere ease into New York. Probably not a 1-1 trade but two complimentary moves that open other possibilities.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yes Monahan is very comparable to McDavid/MacKinnon/Makar being traded

there’s already been smoke about him being available but you’re not exactly among the highest wattages here so it’s ok

All start with an M. I can see it

 

[True Blue]

If you remove Fast for sandpaper, and that paper isn't a great defensive player, you're not diversifying the lineup. You're trading one kind of diversity for another.

Fair enough. I am not advocating that he is not being brought back, just where the diversification can come from. Ultimately, I think that Fast will not be back if there are more dollars to be had as UFA.

 

[True Blue]

The sandpaper add should be there in place of Buchnevich, not necessarily Fast.

Gun to head, that is where I ultimately see the trade coming from. Several young players who may not score as much, but will score enough and provide what the lineup is missing.

 

[Tawnos]

What type of contract does Mattias Janmark receive in UFA?

Fair enough. I am not advocating that he is not being brought back, just where the diversification can come from. Ultimately, I think that Fast will not be back if there are more dollars to be had as UFA.

I don't know if that's true, and to that point and the question above it... I have no idea what the UFA market is going to look like this year. Not only is the cap flat, but a lot of organizations are going to have internal budgets. He might not find more dollars as a UFA.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

No to Monahan. I’m not interested in trading for a guy nicknamed “Boring Sean Monahan”.

Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue

 

[pld459666]

If the Jets offered Laine for ADA you pull the trigger and just figure the rest out later.

Agreed.

But I'd prefer Ehlers

 

[pld459666]

So DeAngelo, Buchnevich, Kravtsov, Car 1st for Laine?

fuuuudge no. hella overpayment.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

My expectations for the off season are they largely keep the same team minus a few guys. Strome and DeAngelo on 1 year deals, Strome traded at the deadline to the highest bidder.

If Hank retires, then they'll bring back Fast.

I'd like to see them try to acquire another young forward, maybe a center who needs a change of scenery. I'd also push for a LD so they don't have to play Staal, but that's probably wishful thinking.

They're kinda in a weird holding pattern where the bad deals have 1 more year, the LD and forwards need more time to season, and the NHL in general is in a bad spot with the pandemic.

 

[mas0764]

I really don't see the Rangers giving up two young roster players + a 1st to move up to 8. I can see Buffalo being interested in Buch and not so much Strome. Buffalo has an issue keeping Eichel happy--that's why I see them wanting a scoring winger and Buch could be of some interest to them.

If the Rangers are going to intervene I think Lundell is going to need to fall into the 12/13/14 range. Rangers maybe give up a young roster player, a prospect and the Car. 1st. I could see any number of players who might fit--Buch might be one, Georgiev possibly (we should go out and get another goalie then), Gauthier, or someone like Barron or Zac Jones, Lias Andersson.

Chytil would be a no. Chytil's at least where Lundell is now--I'd say even further along.

I agree probably not moving Chytil to get to 8.

But isn't your offer basically what I said? Or are you saying Buch OR Georgiev? I'm saying "and." I don't think Georgiev has that kind of value by himself.

But I think Buch does, as we almost dealt him for 8 last draft.

Assume Buch and the Carolina pick are the framework for 8 from Buffalo and Lundell is on the board.

If they want sweetener, I'm doing it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Buch+21+Geo for 8 still seems a bit light tbh.

I mean if Buffalo wants to do it, I'm game.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Buch+21+Geo for 8 still seems a bit light tbh.

I mean if Buffalo wants to do it, I'm game.

Didn't Buffalo almost trade their Cozens pick for Buch at the draft (along with Edmonton considering it as well)?