Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LI

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I agree in that Lundell wouldnt be available until 2-3 months into next season. And you really cant plan around that. Going to be very interesting how that shakes out for a lot of teams btw. A lot of the European Leagues will be ending around March. The NHL, if it wants to play its 82 game schedule because of a new TV deal, will probably be just over the halfway point of the regular season. You might see a lot Euro Prospects joining the NHL teams for practice only until a spot/need presents itself.

So you would have to consider Chytil at 3C and promote another young winger. Or you sign a veteran stopgap for 3C or winger as well.

As for the Strome trade, you think not enough?

This is only applicable for players already under contract. For players on reserve lists (i.e. draft selections and in our case Lundkvist, Pajuniemi etc) they cannot join the Rangers for this season as the deadline to sign players under the transfer agreement is July 15th.

Any European player, even if it's Stützle, is ineligible to join an NHL team before their EU season is over.

 

[eco's bones]

I think if Lundell is high on your board as far as centers go, I would be trying to get as high as I can to be in a position to select him even if he would have fallen to 10-15. Don’t know it we can swing it but that is my hope for draft day beyond Lafreniere.

Personally I could see Lundell being very high on the Rangers list. I would have him before Rossi, Perfetti, Drysdale, Schneider, Quinn, Raymond, Askarov and Mercer. It it weren't for the unusual circumstances we're going through now with the pandemic---in a normal draft year I could see drafting him and breaking camp with him in our lineup. As it is he will be playing the Liiga season by the time the draft happens. But size, strength, experience in a top league, leadership qualifications everything points to him being on the cusp of making it already. I see the Red Wings going with Perfetti at 4 and Ottawa then deciding between Drysdale, Sanderson, Rossi and Raymond at 5. Anaheim could do a lot of things but one of Raymond/Drysdale is what I'd guess and New Jersey and Buffalo will look for scoring wingers for Jack Eichel and Jack Hughes. Minnesota is the first team that I think might pick Lundell.

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

I think the news flash would be "Danault not happy with his role on the Rangers"
He won't take over Strome's job and no guarantee he can do better. If Strome keeps up his production, he puts himself into that Derek Stepan 1B/2A center position. Danault has not shown he can be much better than that himself. So unless you seeing replacing Strome for Danault as an improvement, I don't see pursuing him as a good roster move. If you have him take over as the 3rd line center, maybe but again, he's not going to be very happy with that role here over that role in MTL. Also, only 1 year left on his contract. Summary, at present Strome > Danault

Our best face off winner was Mika at 69th overall...49%
Strome at 81 st overall...47%

Danault was 24th overall ...54%

Man I'd like to see us control more key draws.

 

[Graves94]

Our best face off winner was Mika at 69th overall...49%
Strome at 81 st overall...47%

Danault was 24th overall ...54%

Man I'd like to see us control more key draws.

Danault is a perfect 3rd line C on a cup contending team. Great 2-way player, but playing on the Habs first line for the past few years, his highest goal total is 13. and 53 pts...playing with Gallagher & Tatar

 

[Vitto79]

Danault is a perfect 3rd line C on a cup contending team. Great 2-way player, but playing on the Habs first line for the past few years, his highest goal total is 13. and 53 pts...playing with Gallagher & Tatar

I think he’s a nice player but not the long term 2nd line C. With that said he would help

 

[NYR Viper]

Here's the thing with Danault. I'm okay paying him market value for 3-4 years. Chytil has 1 more year on his ELC and based on his play, is probably looking at a slight bump in salary even if he takes a big step this year. Let's say he gets a 2 year x $2.5m contract. If Chytil develops well I think we all see a nice 2C with size and offensive capability and based on his performance and anticipated next contract he would be underpaid for what he will be providing so if they slightly overpay for a 2/3C in Danault to help insulate him for 3-4 years it should be fine because I don't anticipate Chytil needing a big contract for a few years. Front-load it with bonuses as much as possible and it's more than likely not an albatross and he can be used as a trade chip (see Nick Bonino)

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Nope next years clearly a rebuild IMO. If they get a younger 2C that is signed Signed or RFA great otherwise it doesn’t make sense to me

RNH w a signed extension or Monahan over Danault

RNH is going to be more expensive, both in assets and his extension.

He was also carried by his line mates this year. No thank you.

 

[Trxjw]

Regarding Danault, it would depend on the acquisition cost and what he was looking for in terms of a new contract. He's a solid player that, if the contract is right, would slide nicely into a 3C role if Chytil takes off. That being said, that would put him right back in the situation he's in now. So if that's the case is it worth it to bring him in just to be unhappy in a couple years? Sure, he may be more comfortable in that role with a higher paycheck, but who really knows?

I do also sort of question if he's the right fit to center Panarin. Both guys are known to get a little "pass happy" from time to time.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Regarding Danault, it would depend on the acquisition cost and what he was looking for in terms of a new contract. He's a solid player that, if the contract is right, would slide nicely into a 3C role if Chytil takes off. That being said, that would put him right back in the situation he's in now. So if that's the case is it worth it to bring him in just to be unhappy in a couple years? Sure, he may be more comfortable in that role with a higher paycheck, but who really knows?

I do also sort of question if he's the right fit to center Panarin. Both guys are known to get a little "pass happy" from time to time.

If Monahan is "available", he's my target. @GoAwayStaal posted numbers on how much drives shot attempts. and he looks like he'd be ideal next to Panarin in that regard.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I really would rather just wait the year out than add cap to future years with buyouts, this team isn't ready yet and kicking the can down the road is for contenders.

This is most likely, don’t see a lot of GMs trading for an RFA with arb rights and due a big payday like our 2, the shit is fun though. Nothing gets done until we know Hanks position also.

 

[NYR Viper]

RNH is going to be more expensive, both in assets and his extension.

He was also carried by his line mates this year. No thank you.

Yeah RNH seems like he would just be a bad fit both contractually and with his playing style

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Our best face off winner was Mika at 69th overall...49%
Strome at 81 st overall...47%

Danault was 24th overall ...54%

Man I'd like to see us control more key draws.

Nice

Seriously though, Danault brings so much what we lack on our team. We really need that 2-way forward who can take important draws. I really don't want to see Brett Howden taking a face off with 50 seconds to go in our own zone

 

[TominNC]

Sorry if this has been posted, but the Athletic has an article today talking about when various prospects will likely be NHL reading, With most of them being in the 2021-2022 range and next season being more of a shoot for the playoffs but it's not a disaster to miss, it was a reminder that we're still in the rebuild process and the impatient may need to wait some more. Maybe let contracts run out and let kids take spots as they're earned.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If Monahan is "available", he's my target. @GoAwayStaal posted numbers on how much drives shot attempts. and he looks like he'd be ideal next to Panarin in that regard.

Monahan also bleeds shots against. It's take one to give one with him but thats more or less the current Rangers in a nutshell.

I'd kind of like to move away from that

 

[NYR Viper]

In fairness to Howden, if we look at him as compared to (2) guys who worked their way into very good defensive forwards who were previously here:

Brett Howden
Age 20-21 season
NHL - 23 points in 66gp
48.4% FO percentage
Age 21-22 season
NHL - 19 points in 70gp
48.2% FO Percentage


Kevin Hayes
Age 22-23 season
NHL - 45 points in 79gp
36.6% FO percentage
Age 23-24 season
NHL -36 points in 79gp
36% FO Percentage


Brian Boyle
Age 25 season
NHL - 6 points in 71 gp
38.7% FO Percentage
Age 26 season
NHL - 35 points in 82 gp
48.5% FO Percentage


The reason I bring this stuff up is because, generally, players improve on FO percentage as they get older, stronger and learn guys tendencies. I'd honestly say that Howden is WELL ahead of the curve compared to most kids his age.

 

[mas0764]

Personally I could see Lundell being very high on the Rangers list. I would have him before Rossi, Perfetti, Drysdale, Schneider, Quinn, Raymond, Askarov and Mercer. It it weren't for the unusual circumstances we're going through now with the pandemic---in a normal draft year I could see drafting him and breaking camp with him in our lineup. As it is he will be playing the Liiga season by the time the draft happens. But size, strength, experience in a top league, leadership qualifications everything points to him being on the cusp of making it already. I see the Red Wings going with Perfetti at 4 and Ottawa then deciding between Drysdale, Sanderson, Rossi and Raymond at 5. Anaheim could do a lot of things but one of Raymond/Drysdale is what I'd guess and New Jersey and Buffalo will look for scoring wingers for Jack Eichel and Jack Hughes. Minnesota is the first team that I think might pick Lundell.

Lundell is a great combination of high future upside (he could end up being a low-end defensively responsible 1C, that is not out of the question), low ceiling (he seems almost a lock to at least be a quality 3C), and NHL readiness (his game translates to contributing to an NHL roster right now). Given this, he's almost the perfect prospect for the Rangers - likely able to contribute to a playoff team SOON (if not this season maybe next), but with the ability to development into a perfect 2C or even 1C insurance for Zibanejad (as a 50-60 point center, if you could project Lundell as that, would be more than fine with Panarin, Kakko, and Lafreniere as his top wing options).

I would definitely overpay Buffalo to get 8 if he's there.

Carolina pick (22), Buch or Strome, and Georgiev for 8? Done.

 

[UnSandvich]

I really would rather just wait the year out than add cap to future years with buyouts, this team isn't ready yet and kicking the can down the road is for contenders.

Depends on the player and buyout. For instance, buying out Staal would actually improve our team, and only cost us 1m in cap space for 2021-2022 (the year where we'll have much more cap space), while giving us about 2.1m more cap space next year (where we'll need it more)

 

[Vitto79]

So those offering Georgiev assume Hanks back ? If not they need a cheap backup

 

[NYSPORTS]

Sorry if this has been posted, but the Athletic has an article today talking about when various prospects will likely be NHL reading, With most of them being in the 2021-2022 range and next season being more of a shoot for the playoffs but it's not a disaster to miss, it was a reminder that we're still in the rebuild process and the impatient may need to wait some more. Maybe let contracts run out and let kids take spots as they're earned.

been a big fan of letting the contracts run out and was very happy to see Staal not dress. Unfortunately, there is so little depth on defense he began dressing again. Hank got special treatment to dress and ride the bench yet unlike the defense, the Rangers have his replacement(s).

An occasional dash of yesteryear doesn’t eclipse that both are shot with only contracts keeping them here. Let them ride out their contracts in street clothes.

 

[Leetch3]

So those offering Georgiev assume Hanks back ? If not they need a cheap backup

those moves aren't tied to each other so I don't think anyone is assuming anything...if hank is here it might force us to trade georgiev. but if hank is gone you can still explore moving him if there is value and then just sign a backup.

 

[mas0764]

So those offering Georgiev assume Hanks back ? If not they need a cheap backup

They have Wall and Huska in the pipeline and who knows if next season is even a full one? Shestorkin appears to be quite competent to take 3/4ths of the starts.

Just sign whoever if Hank retires. But I assume if Hank knows he's #2 and will occasionally play instead of going a month at a time on the bench, he will return.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

In fairness to Howden, if we look at him as compared to (2) guys who worked their way into very good defensive forwards who were previously here:

Brett Howden
Age 20-21 season
NHL - 23 points in 66gp
48.4% FO percentage
Age 21-22 season
NHL - 19 points in 70gp
48.2% FO Percentage


Kevin Hayes
Age 22-23 season
NHL - 45 points in 79gp
36.6% FO percentage
Age 23-24 season
NHL -36 points in 79gp
36% FO Percentage


Brian Boyle
Age 25 season
NHL - 6 points in 71 gp
38.7% FO Percentage
Age 26 season
NHL - 35 points in 82 gp
48.5% FO Percentage


The reason I bring this stuff up is because, generally, players improve on FO percentage as they get older, stronger and learn guys tendencies. I'd honestly say that Howden is WELL ahead of the curve compared to most kids his age.

Hayes is a good example of a player who went from horrible to reliable defensively. But that reliability came with actual offensive production. If Hayes was putting up 20 point seasons, would people be happy with his overall game? Hayes' baseline skill level is much, much higher than that of Howden.

I would be beyond thrilled if Howden turned into Brian Boyle but I don't see it. Boyle improved once his feet did as he was able to keep up with the play. Being 6'7" with a massive reach is why he became one of the top PK forwards in the game (he was the best we've had.) The hate for Boyle was really centered around him being used in roles he wasn't suited for (once AV slotted him correctly, he was loved) and him not being an overly aggressive guy.

I can see the face offs improving, but there are a lot of things in Howdens game that worry me. He looks like a player who has no clue where hes supposed to be and skates into useless ice more than any player I can remember.

He's pretty frustrating to watch because he has the skill set to be effective along the walls (which he isn't, because he's rarely involved in puck battles due to being out of position though when he is involved in one, he loses like 90% of the time) and he's actually shown to be pretty good in the paint, but he rarely goes there. If he can improve on those things with out being a disaster defensively, I'll take it. That wouldn't make him a good NHL player, but it would at least bump him up to the level of being a guy who won't kill you when he's out there.

 

[RGY]

This is only applicable for players already under contract. For players on reserve lists (i.e. draft selections and in our case Lundkvist, Pajuniemi etc) they cannot join the Rangers for this season as the deadline to sign players under the transfer agreement is July 15th.

Any European player, even if it's Stützle, is ineligible to join an NHL team before their EU season is over.

Well I was saying after their EU seasons ended. Which I thought was normally the case. They could come over at that point.

 

[Trxjw]

If Monahan is "available", he's my target. @GoAwayStaal posted numbers on how much drives shot attempts. and he looks like he'd be ideal next to Panarin in that regard.

In terms of pure fit, I think he's my top target as well. I completely agree that he'd be an ideal fit with Panarin. A lefty with a great shot and a power-forward mentality is basically exactly what we need. The only real hang-up I have is whether or not we really need to target such a perfect fit. Especially considering what it will likely cost us to get him. If we're looking for a guy to slot between Panarin and Kakko, does it really need to be a guy of that quality/cost or can we get by with someone a bit less expensive and is more of a passenger to two elite wingers? Especially if we can get someone who is more versatile and reliable in his own end?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

So...are we going to make a trade today? Please?