Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part L

[GoAwayPanarin]

Explain how a winger makes sense for this team. Unless it's a pking bottom 6 player

Our top 9 is incredibly one dimensional.

The only forward we have with any bite is Lemieux (who is a 4th liner) and eventually Laf, who will be 19. We have plenty of size, but we don't have the type of players who use their size to own the walls, cause havoc below the hashes and take a piece out of the opponent. You cannot finesse your way to a cup anymore. Pittsburgh was the team that came closest to doing it, but they also had guys like Bonino, Hornqvist, Rust, etc who contributed big time along with Crosby, Malkin and Kessel.

That is needed in the top 9. I'd look to add 2 bodies to the mix there (one in place of the spot vacated by Fast, one for a spot that would be vacated by Buchnevich.) In terms of team need, I'd say its more of a pressing need than 2c.

We need PK guys too.

 

[charliemurphy]

Lot of discussion on the fire power of the wingers there are on the roster especially when factoring in Lafreniere and Kravtsov. It can be argued that it would make a stronger case for trading TDA if meant improving weaker positions like LD and the bottom 6. And despite not setting foot in the NHL, Lundkvist can't be ignored either as he legitimately looks like a top offensive dman prospect.

 

[bobbop]

@bobbop Any chance Arizona would be willing to listen to offers on Crouse? If so, what would they be looking for? I think you've addressed this in the past but not sure if anything has changed.

I think he would be a great addition as a bottom six wing. Fits the narrative of getting harder to play against too. Only problem is we're overloaded at LW, unless one of Kreider or Lemieux moves over to the right side. Wish Crouse could play center.

Very doubtful. Carouse is what we want (hope) Lemieux to be. A hockey player who hits and can score some goals. Also very responsible defensively. He is really well thought of by the Coyotes.

 

[bobbop]

Monahan has scored 30+ goals 3 times and 20+ goals in every season he’s played. He has 4 60+ point seasons. He’s an obvious upgrade on Strome in basically every conceivable way.

Especially at the pay window.

At $6.375 MM for the next three years, that’s way too rich. Did you watch the Dallas series? Monaghan mailed it in at the defensive end of the rink. He may be a north-south player but he is not physical by any means.

 

[SA16]

Very doubtful. Carouse is what we want (hope) Lemieux to be. A hockey player who hits and can score some goals. Also very responsible defensively. He is really well thought of by the Coyotes.

It's weird that for a bad team with a new GM it seems like literally nobody on Arizona is available.

Especially at the pay window.

At $6.375 MM for the next three years, that’s way too rich. Did you watch the Dallas series? Monaghan mailed it in at the defensive end of the rink. He may be a north-south player but he is not physical by any means.

I watched both the CGY series this year and the CAR NYI series last year and I think McKegg is a better playoff player than Monahan.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

It’s clear that a lot of people here don’t have an informed opinion on Tony DeAngelo and are either biased against him for whatever reason, or are blind. It’s like his impact and value are ignored.

I’m not saying he’s Erik Karlsson but come on...

Got it, people that dont agree with you are uninformed or biased against a player most have never met.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I watched both the CGY series this year and the CAR NYI series last year and I think McKegg is a better playoff player than Monahan.

You're lost, reset your GPS and calibrate your compass.

 

[bobbop]

A lot of the gawkers here look in the windows of the other the teams and say, I”ll take one of those and one of those and...”

We are probably better served by asking who are we prepared to move and how can we make some of these other teams better.

DeAngelo would make Calgary better. I’m not sure he makes Anaheim better. There are other teams that would come calling once a rumor or two drops. I would be interested in pursuing either of the Lindholm boys if they are made available.

Georgiev makes a lot of teams better. Trading him could also potentially create another hole that would need to be filled.

Trading Strome doesn’t make a lot of sense to me unless we’ve got another player available to replace him. I’m perfectly fine letting him play the year on a one contract and letting him sing for his supper. Just be sure to get his successor into the system this year.

Ditto Buchnevich.

It’s good to have an ear to the ground and see who might be available from other teams but the Rangers only have a few players and some draft picks available to move. It would appear to me we are going to have a rather quiet summer. Except of course for that Lafreniere guy.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Got it, people that dont agree with you are uninformed or biased against a player most have never met.

Seems like a lot of people are calling him just another one of those offensive defenseman who will inevitably flame out with no basis to it. Is that informed? I'm not shunning people for disagreeing with me, I don't care if they have a different opinion, but some of the things said have been ludicrous.

 

[Anthony5967]

With a better partner, he absolutely could be.

Maybe he doesn't throw up a 60+ point season, but I don't see why consistent production in the 50's is so far fetched. DeAngelo's 5v5 production was out of this world good this season, especially when you consider who he played most of his minutes with. Staal's impacts are horrible everywhere, but his offensive and transition numbers are easily the worst part of his game, and DeAngelo STILL managed to do what he did.

He has his warts as a player, but lets not act like he's Pionk.

Another guy HF experts and Ranger Twitter bloggers thought sucked. Pionk part 2 with Tony.

 

[Avery16]

Anyone still eating at Ceasar's? Maybe Detroit will be a budget team next season...

Mantha is a Qubeck kid like Laf.

I have fond memories of Little Caesar’s, prior to the rebrand. Anyone under 35 wouldn’t remember that they used to be a superior-product pizza chain and not the drive-through they are now.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Another guy HF experts and Ranger Twitter bloggers thought sucked. Pionk part 2 with Tony.

Well no they were right about him, he does suck lol.

Our system did him no favors, neither did playing with Staal but he isn't really good at anything. I would be a large sum of money that he doesn't duplicate the PP production he had this season.

There are people here who jumped on DeAngelo for his playoff performance (while ignoring the injury he was playing through, which is always conveniently left out by @KreiderBomb ) who should have gotten a look at a perfectly healthy Pionk in the playoffs.

 

[Anthony5967]

Well no they were right about him, he does suck lol.

Our system did him no favors, neither did playing with Staal but he isn't really good at anything. I would be a large sum of money that he doesn't duplicate the PP production he had this season.

There are people here who jumped on DeAngelo for his playoff performance (while ignoring the injury he was playing through, which is always conveniently left out by @KreiderBomb ) who should have gotten a look at a perfectly healthy Pionk in the playoffs.

Corsi was solid at 51.4%. I always find it incredible that Corsi is only used when it's convenient.
I'm not even big on Corsi. Fair point about the PP points, but he was still good.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Corsi was solid at 51.4%. I always find it incredible that Corsi is only used when it's convenient.
I'm not even big on Corsi. Fair point about the PP points, but he was still good.

Most people will tell you Corsi isn't really a good measure anymore. Like on the team level it's fine, but there are better metrics.

He had an xGF of 45.29%. That is bad. DeAngelo was at 48.18% this year... that with Staal (away from staal, he almost at 52% Staal away from DeAngelo is sub 40%!)

 

[Ghost of jas]

A lot of the gawkers here look in the windows of the other the teams and say, I”ll take one of those and one of those and...”

We are probably better served by asking who are we prepared to move and how can we make some of these other teams better.

DeAngelo would make Calgary better. I’m not sure he makes Anaheim better. There are other teams that would come calling once a rumor or two drops. I would be interested in pursuing either of the Lindholm boys if they are made available.

Georgiev makes a lot of teams better. Trading him could also potentially create another hole that would need to be filled.

Trading Strome doesn’t make a lot of sense to me unless we’ve got another player available to replace him. I’m perfectly fine letting him play the year on a one contract and letting him sing for his supper. Just be sure to get his successor into the system this year.

Ditto Buchnevich.

It’s good to have an ear to the ground and see who might be available from other teams but the Rangers only have a few players and some draft picks available to move. It would appear to me we are going to have a rather quiet summer. Except of course for that Lafreniere guy.

If you are adding Elias Lindholm, he's replacing one of Buchnevich or Strome.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Need to add to the sticky that everyone has to agree to post an E. Or H. before Lindholm...my tiny brain keeps being put into a pretzel

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I wouldn't expect massive roster turnover, but I doubt this is going to be a very quiet summer/fall.

Lindholm would almost certainly be replacing Strome. Buch I'm moving for an NHL body only, no futures or picks.

 

[Fitzy]

People seem eager to move on from Buchnevich just as he found his game. On pace for 55 points, 4th amongst forwards in hits, adding more physicality to his game.

He's pretty quintessentially a solid complementary offensive player, so I'm unsure why we're so concerned about trying to upgrade a guy who is already a really solid fit here. One wonders if his name was Bradley Smith if he'd be looked at differently.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

People seem eager to move on from Buchnevich just as he found his game. On pace for 55 points, 4th amongst forwards in hits, adding more physicality to his game.

He's pretty quintessentially a solid complementary offensive player, so I'm unsure why we're so concerned about trying to upgrade a guy who is already a really solid fit here. One wonders if his name was Bradley Smith if he'd be looked at differently.

If Bradley Smith played the same type of game, I'd be looking for a change there too.

But it has more to do with what else we have at wing. Panarin, Kreider, Kakko - These guys are going no where. We have enough skill, we really need a bit of bite/grease in that top 9.

 

[JimmyG89]

Rangers social media is touting they have worked trades in the past with draft capital, makes me think they are setting up to do this again.

Maybe more in the mold of an Adam Fox move since we don't have tons of space to add another player that needs a raise.

Would still keep an eye on teams without their first rounder or those that are transitioning into a re-tool/rebuild

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Do people not consider that DeAngelo could also regress?

As folks have mentioned here, it’s not a coincidence that Tony had his best year the same time as Strome, Panarin and others

Just some food for thought lol

No one is saying he can't regress but why are we also ignoring his play from last season where he got inconsistent ice time on a meh offensive 18-19 Rangers team and still performed? He was always projected to have this high end offensive upside.

 

[Thirty One]

People seem eager to move on from Buchnevich just as he found his game. On pace for 55 points, 4th amongst forwards in hits, adding more physicality to his game.

He's pretty quintessentially a solid complementary offensive player, so I'm unsure why we're so concerned about trying to upgrade a guy who is already a really solid fit here. One wonders if his name was Bradley Smith if he'd be looked at differently.

I've never liked the name Bradley so I would want to trade him.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Mantha, while not exactly what the NYR need from a position standpoint would be a top notch addition to the forward group.

 

[Ola]

Our top 9 is incredibly one dimensional.

The only forward we have with any bite is Lemieux (who is a 4th liner) and eventually Laf, who will be 19. We have plenty of size, but we don't have the type of players who use their size to own the walls, cause havoc below the hashes and take a piece out of the opponent. You cannot finesse your way to a cup anymore. Pittsburgh was the team that came closest to doing it, but they also had guys like Bonino, Hornqvist, Rust, etc who contributed big time along with Crosby, Malkin and Kessel.

That is needed in the top 9. I'd look to add 2 bodies to the mix there (one in place of the spot vacated by Fast, one for a spot that would be vacated by Buchnevich.) In terms of team need, I'd say its more of a pressing need than 2c.

We need PK guys too.

Kreider must be that guy too. Just sayin.

 

[Krams]

People seem eager to move on from Buchnevich just as he found his game. On pace for 55 points, 4th amongst forwards in hits, adding more physicality to his game.

He's pretty quintessentially a solid complementary offensive player, so I'm unsure why we're so concerned about trying to upgrade a guy who is already a really solid fit here. One wonders if his name was Bradley Smith if he'd be looked at differently.

I like Buchnevich and am not "eager" to move on. Don't get that impression from much of anyone here. However, wing is a position of strength for this team. Kravtsov is knocking on the door on the right side. Buchnevich is still an RFA when his contract expires after next year which makes him a good trading chip, and our insiders here have confirmed there is interest across the league. The Rangers have acquired many valuable assets and at some point you need to explore dealing some of them to address areas of weakness, i.e. LD and C.

The notion that this stems from anti-Russian bias is ridiculous. Are we never supposed to discuss trading players who have value if they happen to come from Russia?