Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part L

[duhmetreE]

Lets also not forget we have A LOT of dead cap space. Roughly $7M this past year and next year.

Add that along with HL, Staal and Smith coming off the books, thats $26M... Over 30% of our cap is on 'dead weight' we should be more than fine Cap Wise.

 

[Kovalev27]

Lindholm would be attractive with that contract, righty, strong two way game and he’s known as a gamer. As I’ve said with these kids we’ve drafted and Panarin and Mika money we can’t afford to pay anyone in that 2C spot.

that’s a guy that has shown the flashes of what he can be. Putting him next to Panarin you gotta think he elevates his game.

wasn’t Calgary high on Buchnevich for a while?

another interesting option

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

We need to trade one of our 2020 7ths for a 2021 7th as a warm up

 

[Rangers394]

The reason to rush is we have assets to parlay right now and who knows what those assets look like 2 years from now, or if they've left in free agency, or what.

Georgiev, Strome, Buch, an extra first round, RFA DeAngelo, Lias Andersson still has some intrigue perhaps.

I'm not trying to win now, but I am trying to parlay into a future top 6 center right now, because I suspect we have the assets to make a deal somewhere, while these guys are cost controlled, for a guy for the future. Not meaning the "big splash Jack Eichel or offer sheet Barzal," move, more like trading up and getting a guy you love, or someone you liked in the last 2 drafts who isn't in the NHL yet.

But the rumors here are that the team isn't gonna want to move roster talent, which is disappointing to me.

Why is it disapponting? The team has no depth at all. You want to move assets and all the depth for a 2nd line center. What do we do with the bottom 6 players and defense?

 

[duhmetreE]

Lindholm would be attractive with that contract, righty, strong two way game and he’s known as a gamer. As I’ve said with these kids we’ve drafted and Panarin and Mika money we can’t afford to pay anyone in that 2C spot.

that’s a guy that has shown the flashes of what he can be. Putting him next to Panarin you gotta think he elevates his game.

wasn’t Calgary high on Buchnevich for a while?

another interesting option

I'd overpay for Lindholm. The contract make him even more valuable

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

His numbers were about the same as Zib put up in Ottawa at the same age.



Not sure what you are reading, I don't think anyone has been claiming Lindholm is elite. His contract is though and I think that's a big draw here.

His contract is good and that's even more reason why CGY wouldn't give it up with the flat cap.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I just don't think Monahan and Lindholm are as good as y'all think. They've both been attached to the hip of Gaudreau in their time there. Lindholm never did anything in Carolina and isn't good at Center. Monahan scores goals but in my opinion is more of the same as Zibanejad but way less effective, which isn't what we need. Monahan doesn't drive play or help control the pace of the game. He's a passenger who scores goals next to an elite playmaking wing. I don't like how many people devalue Strome here and throw him away while ignoring his undeniable chemistry with Panarin.

Panarin has played with Patrick Kane in his first two NHL seasons, never came near a 100 point pace. He played with Pierre-Luc Dubois and Cam Atkinson in Columbus, never came that that close to 100 points, never hit 90 there. Now he played with Ryan Strome, the guy most of you would consider the worst player among those 3 I listed, and he paced for what? Nearly 110 points? Why is that? Not to mention his metrics showed he was the most dominant ES player in the NHL. Why did he have his best season yet with Ryan Strome and why do people want to dump Strome so badly, knowing that fact? You've found a piece who works fantastically with Panarin, but then you want to get Lindholm or Monahan from Calgary because... their point totals looked nice last season? And especially Lindholm for DeAngelo? Why?

Lindholm with out Johnny G - 51.22 CF, 49.88 xGF%, 50.54 HDCF%

Johnny G with out Lindholm - 50.13 CF, 49.89 xGF%, 50.14 HDCF%

Monahan OTOH, isn't nearly as good with out Lindholm or JG.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Shame he'll probably leave before we get a chance to see what the defense would look like coached by him

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Lindholm with out Johnny G - 51.22 CF, 49.88 xGF%, 50.54 HDCF%

Johnny G with out Lindholm - 50.13 CF, 49.89 xGF%, 50.14 HDCF%

Monahan OTOH, isn't nearly as good with out Lindholm or JG.

You got me there. But it's basically the same impacts regardless aside from CF.

Monahan is legit BAD w/o Johnny Hockey though, yeah, I've always known that. On top of being really bad defensively.

 

[gravey9]

Lindholms - Elias and Hampus - both are very valuable due to their impact and very decent contracts. The only way you get either is a cap crunch or a tear down. Or if you offer something in return that feels like a younger building block. Think of it like a reverse Zibanejad.

Not saying a deal can't get done. But we really may not like the price tag.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Shame he'll probably leave before we get a chance to see what the defense would look like coached by him

I have a feeling he might not have been the greatest regardless. Not like Hartford was doing that well, not that I remember.

 

[Richard Banger]

Mantha plays both wings, Someone else on NYR would likely be moved in such a scenario. My source here is not a Ranger affiliated person. But he knows his stuff

Who do you think would be going the other way?

 

[Ola]

RyJo would also be great for us, just as long as we don’t trade a Seth Jones for him

I don’t know, 8m per is a lot for 36 pts in 68 games.

I like Johansen unlike Turris for example. But looking how much Ziba have struggled against Boston and the type of wingers we have, I definitely think whichever center we adds must be more of a dynamic skater, someone that covers a ton of ice etc.

I would give up the moon for Aho. Point. Barzal. Guys like that. Not Eichel, Monahan, Johanssen and co.

 

[Fireonk]

His contract is good and that's even more reason why CGY wouldn't give it up with the flat cap.

I agree they probably shouldn't, but it's also why the people suggesting trade offers for him are giving up real value since that's what it would take to pry him out of there with that contract.

And I think it's fair to say you don't think it's worth it, I just haven't really seen anyone over-hyping him like you suggested. It's just the type of contract that would fit in real well with the eventual raises we will need to give out to our core.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

I agree they probably shouldn't, but it's also why the people suggesting trade offers for him are giving up real value since that's what it would take to pry him out of there with that contract.

And I think it's fair to say you don't think it's worth it, I just haven't really seen anyone over-hyping him like you suggested. It's just the type of contract that would fit in real well with the eventual raises we will need to give out to our core.

Fair enough. I'm more against acquiring Monahan. Do not like Monahan.

 

[Richard Banger]

on the right half wall on the PP.

On the second unit. Laf plays the half wall on the PP.

 

[mas0764]

Why is it disapponting? The team has no depth at all. You want to move assets and all the depth for a 2nd line center. What do we do with the bottom 6 players and defense?

It's disappointing because I think those assets are wasted and then leave for nothing, or traded for far less, than what we could get for them now. Instead of selling high I think we are gonna keep them for the hope of playoff success in the present, which I think is foolish.

They should be parlayed now, when they are at high value but low long term fit for us, if we could use them to move up in the draft or get a young 2C, because those are hard to find.

Continue to spend the next 2-3 years and draft picks on guys like Barron and Aaltonen or re-signing Fast, to fill your bottom 6.

 

[MrAlmost]

The Rangers should absolutely not be reckless with that cap space that will be freed up. Chytil, Buch, Gauthier, Lindgren and Shesterkin after next season. The year after that, Mika, Kakko and Fox. 26 million goes real quick with all those contracts for good players.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You got me there. But it's basically the same impacts regardless aside from CF.

Monahan is legit BAD w/o Johnny Hockey though, yeah, I've always known that. On top of being really bad defensively.

Yeah his defensive game is... not good.

OTOH, he drives the absolute f*** out of shots for. Hes a little bit beyond the point where I would say he has room to improve in his own end (what you see is what you will get) but I do think hes a significant upgrade on Strome. He'd score a ton playing next to Panarin.

 

[Savant]

He's been great as a center for Calgary what are you smoking? His offensive breakout year was also in the same season he played center the most. He was also fairly young for most of his time in Carolina.

He's great in all three-zones to boot. Him being a great RW as well is just gravy.

You have this completely reversed.

 

[gravey9]

I am not understand why we need to trade for Monahan or someone like that. Have we not already seen this year, and throughout his career, that Panarin does not need that level of center to produce? You're going to get a minimal upgrade for significantly more money. I would much rather go for several two way centers who can help out his line and other lines on the defensive end. Also, Monahan is absolutely terrible defensively.

While it's true Panarin could produce with a chimpanzee as his center, it's not so much about that. It's about bringing in a C that has the speed/size/Faceoff ability to have a bigger impact in big games/playoffs. It's about what a 2c can do away from Panarin.

I like how Strome fits this team. But I'm not sold he's the kind of 2C-4C you go on a deep run with. Something about his game is a little too soft, not the guy who put in to win the big faceoff or to protect a lead late in a game.

In an ideal world, Chytil continues to develop and becomes the 2C. I think he can be that. But it'll come down to how well rounded his game becomes.

I'm starting to question the logic behind upgrading with an expensive, elite offensive 2C. I'd almost rather focus on finding a Nemchinov type. Someone with speed, decent skill and tons of smarts who can become our long term 3C and play up and down the lineup when needed. I realize I might be describing Elias Lindholm but I'm also describing a younger Jordan Staal.

 

[Kovalev27]

DeAngelo for Lindholm is overpayment not sure I love it but that contract is extremely desirable for a team like us.

Calgary isn’t even using him at center with Monahan Backlund and Bennet there already and has 3 Dmen under contract. That’s probably why they MIGHT want to make a deal like that.

personally if that were a discussion I’d ask Calgary to swap their first rounder with our Carolina first rounder. Moves us up 5 spots. There’s certainly more value in tony than lindholm.

in that scenario Smith plays right D third pair for the rest of the year. We probably sign a depth righty D on a one year deal. Think how eminger used to fit.

Lundkvist comes in when his season ends gets some seasoning and full time the following year and Smith is off the books.

I still think I keep DeAngelo and run Chytil as 2C but will be interesting to see what management is thinking.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I have a feeling he might not have been the greatest regardless. Not like Hartford was doing that well, not that I remember.

Brown was on the Rangers bench. It was Gord Murphy who coached in Hartford and was brought up here to replace Ruff.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I have a feeling he might not have been the greatest regardless. Not like Hartford was doing that well, not that I remember.

Isn't Greg Brown our "eye in the sky" coach who comes down only for the 3rd periods? I think Gord Murphy is the Hartford defensive coach who came up for the bubble.

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Brown was on the Rangers bench. It was Gord Murphy who coached in Hartford and was brought up here to replace Ruff.

I'm dumb. Yup. I was thinking of Gord Murphy. My bad.