Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part L

[Rangers394]

A few thoughts:
*I like him, have been for some while. He fills a role and will produce in that role. He won't get paid for something that he isn't. I also think that he in the right environment really could produce a lot in that role. Like he hasn't had much help in Detroit the last 3 seasons.
*He is a Qubeck kid. Can play a bit physical.
*Does he make sense from a roster building perspective? Would have to be combined with at least 1-2 more moves. But like if Gorton could find good deals for Kravy and Buch? Sure...

I rather keep what we have. No reason to add Mantha to this team. Add depth and a defenseman. Can't trade assets for positions that are already filled

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Monahan to me is a "we need to win in the next 3 years before all our ELC's come due" move

I wouldn't be opposed depending on the price though

This is kind of true though.

They have 3 long term contracts on the books (When Laf's ELC is up they'll still have Trouba on the books for 3 years, Kreider for 4 and Panarin for 3.) Those guys will either be unmovable or very tough to move. Panarin and Trouba flat out will be here until their contracts are up. They're going to have to strip down the roster and reload at some point within the next 3 years, thats inevitable.

I'm surprised at the backlash of adding quality players to this when some of these same people were dying to get Kreider extended.

 

[Trxjw]

Good points but can't we evaluate those guys as 2c and 3c with or without Monahan? Savant mentioned a stopgap center or Strome and i think that's the best idea tbh. I don't think we need to make a big splash for a center right now

You certainly can. However there are two other considerations: First, Monahan definitely makes the team considerably better down the middle and is more of the "north-south" type that the Rangers want to add. The second is that the Rangers may feel like they want to make a meaningful change to the lineup this off-season, instead of waiting another year. Sometimes if a player you really like becomes available, it forces your hand a little earlier than you'd ideally like.

I absolutely appreciate the financial concerns but you also can't be paralyzed by the fear of the cap. If you wait for the perfect moment, it may never come.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The really interesting question is, what is the NYR’s view of their window? You could actually argue they may have the most talent on their roster over the next two seasons. It is uncertain and reliant on kids...but by 2022 the tough financial decisions start.

Do they push the needle to try to win now with contracts that expire by then?

Or do they continue to develop patiently knowing that by the time the kids are (hopefully) peaking they could also have some cap tightness.

Listening to JD definitely seems like they are going with option 2. But I’d love to be a fly on the wall in the team meetings this Summer/Fall.

 

[Kovalev27]

this was a good post on CHYTIL at 2C and not spending the money on a Strome or a Monahan (although I think he’s an intriguing fit for NYR because of his style of play)

Chytil’s underlying numbers continue to show he’s close.

 

[Fireonk]

The really interesting question is, what is the NYR’s view of their window? You could actually argue they may have the most talent on their roster over the next two seasons. It is uncertain and reliant on kids...but by 2022 the tough financial decisions start.

Do they push the needle to try to win now with contracts that expire by then?

Or do they continue to develop patiently knowing that by the time the kids are (hopefully) peaking they could also have some cap tightness.

Listening to JD definitely seems like they are going with option 2. But I’d love to be a fly on the wall in the team meetings this Summer/Fall.

Personally, I feel like next year the expectation will be to make the playoffs but not much more than that. The year after is when I think they expect their real window to start. You'll have Henrik, Smith, Staal off the books and an extra year of development with Kakko and Laf. Hopefully Miller is ready to start getting some meaningful minutes as well.

So I do think Monahan does fit that window and gives them a really good fit for 2 years of when I imagine they expect their real run to start.

 

[Irishguy42]

Why do we need another winger?

He's not "another winger"

He's only really playing wing recently b/c the Flames choose to put Backlund as the main 2C for the most part and stack their Top 6 instead of having Lindholm center their Bottom 6.. He 100% can play center and be successful. Overall, he's actually been their 1C more often than anything over the last two years, with him and Monahan essentially flipping.

This season (he's yellow):

Last season (yellow again):

 

[egelband]

this was a good post on CHYTIL at 2C and not spending the money on a Strome or a Monahan (although I think he’s an intriguing fit for NYR because of his style of play)

Chytil’s underlying numbers continue to show he’s close.

Interesting. I was under the impression Chytil wasn’t so good defensively. Happy to read that.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Monahan is so overrated and is not good defensively. I'm sure if he played with Panarin, Panarin would elevate him which is fine but we can just keep Strome in that instance. If we are replacing Strome we should be after someone who can actually play a 2-way game at a quality level.

 

[Kovalev27]

Interesting. I was under the impression Chytil wasn’t so good defensively. Happy to read that.

Agreed it feels that way at times and I think a lot of that had to do with who he was playing with but his underlying numbers in particular his ability to drive offense have been very impressive for a while now.

 

[DutchShamrock]

I was listening to suriusxm NHL at around 1045 and they had Rich Francis on discussing the flames. It was basically his opinion and he wasn't passing it off as inside knowledge.

-have to move Gaudreau. Called him the anti-Bennett. Disappears in the post season and the reality is his slight frame is simply not ideal.

-thinks Talbot was not the problem and both sides will be happy to continue the relationship.

-only 3 d signed next season.

-team is happy with the core sans Gaudreau. Open secret Johnny wants to go back east and he's 2 years away from free agency. Get a deal done now to maximize value.

I'm just passing on their Johnny Hockey heavy info, not suggesting we jump in there. You get a sense they want to build a playoff roster. I don't know that Sam Bennett is going. A lot of the names we like are what they are building around. They may be cornered but we aren't being gifted with talented, tough, post season players.

Giordano, Hanafin (LD), and Andersson (RD) are signed. Everyone else on D except for Kylington (LD) is UFA. If you do the math, if you value protection slots, if you want to deal from strength to address weaknesses, Deangleo checks a lot of boxes in a deal. Again, not an endorsement just framing the discussion. I don't see how Nils helps them now, not with next season dedicated overseas. I don't know that Georgiev is a target unless Talbot leaves. Even then, the goalie market is flooded with experienced options.

 

[Ola]

I rather keep what we have. No reason to add Mantha to this team. Add depth and a defenseman. Can't trade assets for positions that are already filled

Yeah, or like in theory, sure, a good trade is a good trade. Blake Wheeler have made Winnipeg for a long long time. He is a good add for them no matter what type of depth chart they had when they made that trade. With that said, this only applies if the guy you can go out and get is someone that really helps you.

I am not sold on that Mantha is that guy.

 

[Avery16]

this was a good post on CHYTIL at 2C and not spending the money on a Strome or a Monahan (although I think he’s an intriguing fit for NYR because of his style of play)

Chytil’s underlying numbers continue to show he’s close.

Ok, but Strome stands to make too much on his next contract for duty as a 3C. If Chytil is 2C and Strome is moved, we still should be looking for an affordable, if temporary 3C. Howden is not a good option.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Monahan has scored 30+ goals 3 times and 20+ goals in every season he’s played. He has 4 60+ point seasons. He’s an obvious upgrade on Strome in basically every conceivable way.

 

[Savant]

He's not "another winger"

He's only really playing wing recently b/c the Flames choose to put Backlund as the main 2C for the most part and stack their Top 6 instead of having Lindholm center their Bottom 6.. He 100% can play center and be successful. Overall, he's actually been their 1C more often than anything over the last two years, with him and Monahan essentially flipping.

This season (he's yellow):

Last season (yellow again):

No. I’m not buying it. He was a 40-45 point center with Carolina. Calgary moved him to RW and that’s when he had his offensive breakout. Analytics are fine but there is the eye test too. Seeing him on the Hurricanes on a pretty regular basis before his trade; he is not as good at that position, certainly not full time. You can’t trade for a guy and then play him at his worse position.

 

[Ola]

Monahan has scored 30+ goals 3 times and 20+ goals in every season he’s played. He has 4 60+ point seasons. He’s an obvious upgrade on Strome in basically every conceivable way.

At the same time, playing with Johnny Hockey at his LW has been a match made in heaven for Monahan.

Obviously SMs skating stands out for someone his size. He can finish. It’s hard to not wonder why Calgary is trading him.

Many arguments could be made for Dion Phaneuf to be a great player when Calgary traded him.

 

[Fireonk]

I was listening to suriusxm NHL at around 1045 and they had Rich Francis on discussing the flames. It was basically his opinion and he wasn't passing it off as inside knowledge.

-have to move Gaudreau. Called him the anti-Bennett. Disappears in the post season and the reality is his slight frame is simply not ideal.

-thinks Talbot was not the problem and both sides will be happy to continue the relationship.

-only 3 d signed next season.

-team is happy with the core sans Gaudreau. Open secret Johnny wants to go back east and he's 2 years away from free agency. Get a deal done now to maximize value.

I'm just passing on their Johnny Hockey heavy info, not suggesting we jump in there. You get a sense they want to build a playoff roster. I don't know that Sam Bennett is going. A lot of the names we like are what they are building around. They may be cornered but we aren't being gifted with talented, tough, post season players.

Giordano, Hanafin (LD), and Andersson (RD) are signed. Everyone else on D except for Kylington (LD) is UFA. If you do the math, if you value protection slots, if you want to deal from strength to address weaknesses, Deangleo checks a lot of boxes in a deal. Again, not an endorsement just framing the discussion. I don't see how Nils helps them now, not with next season dedicated overseas. I don't know that Georgiev is a target unless Talbot leaves. Even then, the goalie market is flooded with experienced options.

Well I think its safe to assume that a high priced LW is the least likely thing the Rangers would be targeting right now.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Do people not consider that DeAngelo could also regress?

As folks have mentioned here, it’s not a coincidence that Tony had his best year the same time as Strome, Panarin and others

Just some food for thought lol

Tony is also a younger, highly talented player who had been progressing at an expected rate since last season , it’s not like he came out of nowhere, he’s realizing his potential that saw him get drafted high in the first place. He was an offensive dynamo on junior . Even last season, in between getting healthy scratched in favor of Pionk he was our top scoring dman

 

[mas0764]

This is kind of true though.

They have 3 long term contracts on the books (When Laf's ELC is up they'll still have Trouba on the books for 3 years, Kreider for 4 and Panarin for 3.) Those guys will either be unmovable or very tough to move. Panarin and Trouba flat out will be here until their contracts are up. They're going to have to strip down the roster and reload at some point within the next 3 years, thats inevitable.

I'm surprised at the backlash of adding quality players to this when some of these same people were dying to get Kreider extended.

I was against re-signing Kreider for that very reason. I don't want a 3 year run then re-tool period.

I wanted to continue stripping now and be gearing up for a ten year run, starting 3 years from now. At that point Panarin, who I DID favor signing, would be entering the back half of his contract here and would be the veteran presence for the kids.

It's why we should really move on from Strome and Buch. Do NOT give them long term deals. Make those hard decisions right now please. Do not try to win a Cup right now. If you are trying to do that in the next 2-3 years you might as well keep Lundqvist.

 

[Rangers394]

Well I think its safe to assume that a high priced LW is the least likely thing the Rangers would be targeting right now.

Good. I want nothing to do with Gaudreau

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Put me down for one Monahan. He's the 2C we've been searching for.

 

[Ola]

No. I’m not buying it. He was a 40-45 point center with Carolina. Calgary moved him to RW and that’s when he had his offensive breakout. Analytics are fine but there is the eye test too. Seeing him on the Hurricanes on a pretty regular basis before his trade; he is not as good at that position, certainly not full time. You can’t trade for a guy and then play him at his worse position.

They need to adjust the formula’s for Johnny Hockey. CF%-5=CF% on a team without JG.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I was against re-signing Kreider for that very reason. I don't want a 3 year run then re-tool period.

I wanted to continue stripping now and be gearing up for a ten year run, starting 3 years from now. At that point Panarin, who I DID favor signing, would be entering the back half of his contract here and would be the veteran presence for the kids.

It's why we should really move on from Strome and Buch. Do NOT give them long term deals. Make those hard decisions right now please. Do not try to win a Cup right now. If you are trying to do that in the next 2-3 years you might as well keep Lundqvist.

Yeah I didnt like the Kreider deal then, it looks even worse now.

But this is the position they're in because of the contracts they've handed out and the lottery luck.

 

[egelband]

At the same time, playing with Johnny Hockey at his LW has been a match made in heaven for Monahan.

Obviously SMs skating stands out for someone his size. He can finish. It’s hard to not wonder why Calgary is trading him.

Many arguments could be made for Dion Phaneuf to be a great player when Calgary traded him.

A center who breaks out when teamed with a great LW. Sounds familiar

 

[Kovalev27]

Ok, but Strome stands to make too much on his next contract for duty as a 3C. If Chytil is 2C and Strome is moved, we still should be looking for an affordable, if temporary 3C. Howden is not a good option.

Again this is where the miss on lias Andersson really hurts. Should be a cornerstone player in the middle instead he’s in Sweden.

I do believe management sees Howden as the guy there though and is in the process of selling the fan base on it. I could see us signing a veteran 4C frankly. Like a Brian Boyle reunion even. Won’t cost much brings a lot to the room been here before and can just be a calming presence out there for a few mins a night.