Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part L

[JimmyG89]

If we're looking to get tougher to play against, I would much rather ask Detroit about Bertuzzi instead of Mantha. RFA with arb rights. Detroit is rebuilding and has a ton of money. Unfortunately, RHD isn't a need for them. This would probably have to be a prospect trade.

Looked at their roster and man we missed on trading for Fabbri. Would have loved to get him back when St. Louis was dangling him out there. The price was extremely low and we could have used him at wing or center last season.

These are the two guys I would look at trading for if they can.

 

[Ola]

Now is not the time to trade for Monaghan; before his Modified NTC kicks in. If Calgary is moving him before his NTC kicks in, that’s. Major red flag to me. Like when we moved Stepan for the same reason. Makes me think they know something we don’t and they are looking for a sucker.

Its hard to not think in these lines. He is on a potentially really good contract if he can keep up his production. Homegrown No 1 C. And its not like they are dealing from a position of strength either.

 

[Rangers394]

Monahan is a perfect fit on paper for centering Panarin and Kakko. Good in both ends, doesn't need to have the puck on his stick all the time in order to be effective, and can create space for skilled wingers. Carries a $6.35m hit for 3 more years though, so there's some financial considerations to be weighed for sure. Especially with that 2022 summer looking to be a rough one from a contract perspective.

Monahan doesn't seem like a good idea financially. Not sure how we fit Zibanejad and Monahan when they need contracts.

 

[Rangers394]

If we're looking to get tougher to play against, I would much rather ask Detroit about Bertuzzi instead of Mantha. RFA with arb rights. Detroit is rebuilding and has a ton of money. Unfortunately, RHD isn't a need for them. This would probably have to be a prospect trade.

Looked at their roster and man we missed on trading for Fabbri. Would have loved to get him back when St. Louis was dangling him out there. The price was extremely low and we could have used him at wing or center last season.

These are the two guys I would look at trading for if they can.

Bertuzzi is another LW, i'm not sure where he would play on this team

 

[East Coast Bias]

Now is not the time to trade for Monaghan; before his Modified NTC kicks in. If Calgary is moving him before his NTC kicks in, that’s. Major red flag to me. Like when we moved Stepan for the same reason. Makes me think they know something we don’t and they are looking for a sucker.

I don't think its that deep. Its just timing. If they decide to mix up their core and consider him available, now is the best time to maximize his value.

 

[Irishguy42]

Elias Lindholm

That's it.

 

[Fireonk]

Monahan doesn't seem like a good idea financially. Not sure how we fit Zibanejad and Monahan when they need contracts.

If the trade is based around DeAngelo it's essentially a wash financially.

 

[Rangers394]

If the trade is based around DeAngelo it's essentially a wash financially.

What happens when he needs a new deal?

 

[Rangers394]

Why do we want these Calgary guys anyway? I know they are good players but I rather target someone a little younger and cheaper if we can.

 

[egelband]

Safe to say this coming off-season will bring a ton of unexpected developments. So much is new and teams will have different constraints, approaches. Lots of variables.
Hockey GMs tend to sit on their hands when there’s a lack of certainty but in this case many will be forced to make tough and bad decisions. The Rangers are in a good spot because thwy can afford to sit tight and let things come to them.

 

[Savant]

I still think the best outcome is to get a stop gap center for a year, keep Strome and make the big center move in 2021. Once the deadweight is off, and Mika is extended, it will be easier to plan. Gives Rangers another year to see what they have with Chytil too

 

[Fireonk]

What happens when he needs a new deal?

That's when ADA becomes a UFA as well. If we resign him and buy out some UFA years it isn't going to cost any less than Monahan would most likely. So its a similar problem.

 

[Rangers394]

That's when ADA becomes a UFA as well. If we resign him and buy out some UFA years it isn't going to cost any less than Monahan would most likely. So its a similar problem.

Honestly, i'm rather keep DeAngelo than get Monahan. Just my opinion

 

[Savant]

Elias Lindholm

That's it.

Why do we need another winger?

 

[Fitzy]

I still think the best outcome is to get a stop gap center for a year, keep Strome and make the big center move in 2021. Once the deadweight is off, and Mika is extended, it will be easier to plan. Gives Rangers another year to see what they have with Chytil too

This is the way

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Monahan to me is a "we need to win in the next 3 years before all our ELC's come due" move

I wouldn't be opposed depending on the price though

 

[Rangers394]

I still think the best outcome is to get a stop gap center for a year, keep Strome and make the big center move in 2021. Once the deadweight is off, and Mika is extended, it will be easier to plan. Gives Rangers another year to see what they have with Chytil too

This. I have no clue why people are rushing to get a big time center when we don't need one right now. Chytil is still unproven and you don't know who is getting bought out for a cheap stopgap. People really need to relax

 

[Fireonk]

Honestly, i'm rather keep DeAngelo than get Monahan. Just my opinion

And that's fair. I have mixed feelings around a swap like that personally but I do think that that is what would be more likely going the other way than Buchnevich plus Georgiev. Unless its part of a bigger deal and all of them go haha.

 

[Trxjw]

Monahan doesn't seem like a good idea financially. Not sure how we fit Zibanejad and Monahan when they need contracts.

Well the honest answer is that you can't. You'd have to pick one and move the other. However, you wouldn't have to make that decision for a little while and in the mean time you continue to evaluate Chytil as a possible long-term solution as the 2C and guys like Barron and Howden as possible 3C's.

The real question is whether or not the Rangers see a it as a prudent investment over the next 24 months. In theory you improve the team and give yourself more runway to evaluate your future. Then you can likely move Monahan with 1 year remaining on his deal if needed. The downside is that you're likely giving up some pretty premium, cost-controlled assets to get a guy you might only have in the organization for two years.

If you target Lindholm instead you get more cost-certainty at a lower cap hit, and a guy who can play multiple positions so he can move around your lineup as needed. So the Rangers may see more value in a player like that. However, who knows if he's actually available or not? Monahan's name seems to be out there.

 

[Fireonk]

And that's fair. I have mixed feelings around a swap like that personally but I do think that that is what would be more likely going the other way than Buchnevich plus Georgiev. Unless its part of a bigger deal and all of them go haha.

And just to have some fun:
ADA + Buch + Georgiev + something
for
Monahan + Lindholm

 

[egelband]

Why do we want these Calgary guys anyway? I know they are good players but I rather target someone a little younger and cheaper if we can.

Yeah. I can’t see the Rangers adding any more “name” players unless it’s a pure “hockey trade” and the contracts match up. The cap seems manageable now, even if they go long(er)-term with ADA. But there doesn’t seem to be any room to add any costly vet players to the core. I’m not even sure they can afford to give Buch and Strome more than their minimum qualifying offers.

I, for one, wouldn’t be too aggressive were I the Rangers. I hope they wait out the market. See what shakes out. Could be some major bargains.

 

[Rangers394]

Well the honest answer is that you can't. You'd have to pick one and move the other. However, you wouldn't have to make that decision for a little while and in the mean time you continue to evaluate Chytil as a possible long-term solution as the 2C and guys like Barron and Howden as possible 3C's.

The real question is whether or not the Rangers see a it as a prudent investment over the next 24 months. In theory you improve the team and give yourself more runway to evaluate your future. Then you can likely move Monahan with 1 year remaining on his deal if needed. The downside is that you're likely giving up some pretty premium, cost-controlled assets to get a guy you might only have in the organization for two years.

If you target Lindholm instead you get more cost-certainty at a lower cap hit, and a guy who can play multiple positions so he can move around your lineup as needed. So the Rangers may see more value in a player like that.

Good points but can't we evaluate those guys as 2c and 3c with or without Monahan? Savant mentioned a stopgap center or Strome and i think that's the best idea tbh. I don't think we need to make a big splash for a center right now

 

[Ola]

Why do we want Mantha? Jesus, that's the last name i want us to be connected to.

A few thoughts:
*I like him, have been for some while. He fills a role and will produce in that role. He won't get paid for something that he isn't. I also think that he in the right environment really could produce a lot in that role. Like he hasn't had much help in Detroit the last 3 seasons.
*He is a Qubeck kid. Can play a bit physical.
*Does he make sense from a roster building perspective? Would have to be combined with at least 1-2 more moves. But like if Gorton could find good deals for Kravy and Buch? Sure...

 

[DanielBrassard]

It's a good thing we traded and then paid 8M for a RHD only to find out we now need to acquire another top D to play with him.

Exactly. Usually the guy you acquire and pay 8M is supposed to anchor the pairing so that you don't need to spend big on someone to play with him. Guess that doesn't apply here.

 

[Krams]

@bobbop Any chance Arizona would be willing to listen to offers on Crouse? If so, what would they be looking for? I think you've addressed this in the past but not sure if anything has changed.

I think he would be a great addition as a bottom six wing. Fits the narrative of getting harder to play against too. Only problem is we're overloaded at LW, unless one of Kreider or Lemieux moves over to the right side. Wish Crouse could play center.