Of the skaters we could afford to lose long term, I'd say Zibanejad was probably #2 on the list of guys we could afford to lose (behind Kreider), maybe even #1.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part IX: Trying To Reason With The Upcoming Season
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Hey, I really like the Kravtsov pick, we need high end skill everywhere, but my point was that we shouldn't take what the organization says as gospel, and not just NYR, all teams, govt's, etc...
Amazing Kreiderman
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Actually, Bob McKenzie said before the draft that several teams had Kravtsov in their top-10 and 1 team had him in their top-5. It wasn't just some PR-move post-draft.
I don't, but no one does either way. My initial post was that upon hearing Quinn's quote about going "through" people if need be and because he coached Tkachuk, it isn't far fetched to think that if he was available at their spot, he would have been their pick.
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There was talk of that predraft too, but it’d be a terrible move to pick a guy with a top 10 pick just because the coach likes him
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Except they said he wouldn't have. I mean, you can make all the semantic arguments you want but there's really no reason to believe they were misleading us. They were confident in their pick, had other consensus picks that were rated higher on most draft boards than Kravs, and still took him. Why would they lie about it? Furthermore, Quinn isn't making the picks. Gorton is. I'm sure he listens to all input but ultimately he's the guy building the team, not Quinn.
There's no reason to believe they weren't being an honest. We don't need to open a criminal investigation to subpoena Rangers' pre-draft documents ranking players to verify it.
Hey man, relax...lol! No investigation or conspiracy theories need to be brought up!
Again, I really like the Kravs pick a lot, but please let's not pretend Tkachuk was some sort of scrub! He was ranked top 5 by everyone leading up to the draft and yes, it does make a difference if the present coach, coached this particular player, he knows him better than our GM, scouts, etc...
All I'm saying is, and it's irrelevant now, is if we had a choice between Brady and Kravs with our pick and knowing somewhat how Quinn wants to play, who do we pick?
For me, trading for McQuaid gives me a pretty clear indication who they would have chosen.
Hey that's my opinion.
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2018 NHL Entry Draft: May Top-50 (#7)
NHL Draft big board: Final rankings of top 100 prospects in 2018 class (#7)
Pronman's 2018 NHL draft rankings: Top 74 prospects (#9)
Ian Tulloch’s 2018 NHL Draft Rankings (#12)
But, sure, he was in more top 5's than not.
Honestly, I think Gorton picked who he was going to pick for whatever needs he thinks Kravs addresses that Tkachuk doesn't. Doesn't mean that Brady isn't a hell of a pick - but maybe Gorton feels like Andersson is that leader down the middle and Tkachuk is redundant? IDK. And we'll never know, but I'll take them at the word for where Kravs was on their list of forwards.
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How does trading a 4th round pick for a tough 3rd pairing dman provide any significant insight into whether the team would have gone Tkachuk over Kravstov had the former been available at our pick?
LMAO at Pronman & Tulloch, who are these guys exactly???
I would look at more credible sources such as ISS, McKeens, Bob McKenzie and NHL.com, who all had him top 5 (mostly #4 and NHL.com had him #2 in their final rankings).
We'll agree to disagree on this one. I respect your opinion and others as well, it's all good on my end, peace?
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Teams don't draft players based on what the coach wants. Especially not a coach that just joined the organization with 0 NHL experience.
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Pronman is a former hockey scout that also worked at ESPN, FWIW. He's no slouch.
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Let's couple that with the fact that, you know, there's no evidence anywhere that Quinn wanted him. -_-
Agree 100%, but if the organization is looking to play a specific style, that is being preached by the head coach in training camp, and you have the opportunity to select a consensus top 5 pick who plays that style, I'm not so sure the coach's input has zero weight.
haohmaru
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The same team he said Kovalchuk would end up on?
Oh, never mind, the answer is probably not the Rangers.
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Tkachuk's numbers in college were not elite level, and neither were they at USHL, if not for his bloodlines he probably would have been drafted in the teens or 20's.
there goes all of that trade value. If they knew how fragile this guy is, why didn't they trade him at the deadline or at the draft?
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