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Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part IX: Can't take Staal away from AV

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EEDAWGZ said:
I agree with you , which is why I said give him limited minutes , I was referencing stripping him of the "A"
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Agree with you in regards to stripping him of his letter, that would be unnecessary.

Disagree with limiting his minutes, unless limiting his minutes means that he plays 0.
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
What does this have to do with anything being discussed?

I think stripping Staal of the A would be a bad move, but get out of here with this
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Because the point being made was Staal should be stripped of the A because he's a bad hockey player.

Thats not entirely what an A or a C is all about. In fact, I'd argue that stripping an 11 year Ranger veteran of the A for no other reason than "hes a shitty hockey player" sends a worse message to younger players.
 
Separating Staal the hockey player from Staal the person would be a big help when it comes to a situation like this. For an organization as classy as the Rangers to strip their longest tenured skater of an alternate captaincy is just unprecedented. And I’m saying this as someone who wants Staal to not see ice time this season. The Rangers just don’t fly like that, and it’s the correct thing to do.
 
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Mac n Gs said:
Separating Staal the hockey player from Staal the person would be a big help when it comes to a situation like this. For an organization as classy as the Rangers to strip their longest tenured skater of an alternate captaincy is just unprecedented. And I’m saying this as someone who wants Staal to not see ice time this season. The Rangers just don’t fly like that, and it’s the correct thing to do.
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Wouldnt exactly call it unprecedented. The sharks did it with Thornton. The kings did it to brown. There might be more but those are the first two recent ones I thought of.
 
Leadership and skill are two separate things. Often teams appoint their most talented player as captain, regardless of leadership ability, but I have always felt that is a mistake. Sometimes you get lucky and have someone who is both talented and has leadership qualities (Crosby, Messier, et al). Someone can be an on-ice and locker room leader and be a 3rd line or 3rd pair player. It also seems that someone with lesser ability, but outsized work ethic, can make for an excellent leader.

I seem to recall someone involved with the team saying that Staal, with all the significant injuries he has suffered, has been an inspiration to the team's younger players. Leadership comes in all styles, and by any stretch, Staal qualifies. He might not be a "rah-rah" leader, but then neither is McD or Nash. Stepan was not a rah-rah leader, but was most definitely a team leader. The last rah-rah leader we had was Callahan.

By having 3 alternate captains, the Rangers are also covered if Staal ends up as the 7th D.

So, when it comes to Staal's leadership role on the team: remember that he is looked up to for his work ethic, dedication, experience, and career accomplishments. He merits the A.
 
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SA16 said:
Wouldnt exactly call it unprecedented. The sharks did it with Thornton. The kings did it to brown. There might be more but those are the first two recent ones I thought of.
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Meant for the Rangers. The Kings are a garbage organization and Wilson handled that whole situation poorly.
 
Huh, weird



So...no contract but he'll just hang around if they need to sign him if the centers don't pan out?

ALso pretty interesting

 
Desjardins must be desperate for a gig if he is willing to sit around and not have a contract with the team

Very weird situation though
 
One to watch for me this coming season is ARTEMI PANARIN in Columbus -- under Torts. Panarin is a tremendous talent, but he isn't a poster kid of consistency and definitely is used to playing under a lot more freedom than he will be afforded under Torts.

It's a long shot -- no doubt. I wouldn't assign it a probability of many percent points. BUT -- I wouldn't at all rule out that Panarin will be on a new club in October 18'. He could be move before Christmas.

Looking at how our team is structured, what we might develop in house and what we realistically never can get that some of our competitors have -- I think someone like Panarin really would help us. Someone who is so good at using that open ice outside and around a deeply collapsed defense. RHS. Good shooter good playmaker. Great on the PP.

If he doesn't work out for Torts, what would it take to get him? Would JT Miller be enough?
 
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There's literally not an asset in this organization I wouldn't include for Panarin.

CBJ somehow trading him would be the most Torts thing ever.
 
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Ola said:
One to watch for me this coming season is ARTEMI PANARIN in Columbus -- under Torts. Panarin is a tremendous talent, but he isn't a poster kid of consistency and definitely is used to playing under a lot more freedom than he will be afforded under Torts.

It's a long shot -- no doubt. I wouldn't assign it a probability of many percent points. BUT -- I wouldn't at all rule out that Panarin will be on a new club in October 18'. He could be move before Christmas.

Looking at how our team is structured, what we might develop in house and what we realistically never can get that some of our competitors have -- I think someone like Panarin really would help us. Someone who is so good at using that open ice outside and around a deeply collapsed defense. RHS. Good shooter good playmaker. Great on the PP.

If he doesn't work out for Torts, what would it take to get him? Would JT Miller be enough?
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That is a legit thought. I don't know if Miller alone would be right, but the idea Panarin isn't the same under Torts and without Kane doesn't seem far fetched at all. You would have to see what Miller's season is like and what kind of contract he's looking for after the season. And, you have to look at how much Panarin is going to want after his current contract is up in 2 seasons and he's UFA.
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
Desjardins must be desperate for a gig if he is willing to sit around and not have a contract with the team

Very weird situation though
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He's friends with Richards, I'm sure he's having a blast. He's got money put away most likely. Maybe at some point they give him a front office position if there is no space on the team
 
“A big part of leadership is the power to influence, in my mind, anyway,” the coach said. “Chris Kreider is one of the best-conditioned athletes I’ve ever been associated with, so the way he works out and the way he prepares himself physically, he should be able to influence other guys to do the same thing.

“Now he’s more experienced, he knows the pressure of the games, of the season and of the playoffs. He has to share that experience with his younger teammates. And like I’ve said, there are no excuses. It’s those guys’ [Kreider, J.T. Miller, Kevin Hayes] time to take a bigger role in our dressing room.”

http://nypost.com/2017/09/20/chris-kreider-knows-he-must-become-one-of-rangers-leaders/

Why no letter on their sweaters?
 
RangerBoy said:
“A big part of leadership is the power to influence, in my mind, anyway,” the coach said. “Chris Kreider is one of the best-conditioned athletes I’ve ever been associated with, so the way he works out and the way he prepares himself physically, he should be able to influence other guys to do the same thing.

“Now he’s more experienced, he knows the pressure of the games, of the season and of the playoffs. He has to share that experience with his younger teammates. And like I’ve said, there are no excuses. It’s those guys’ [Kreider, J.T. Miller, Kevin Hayes] time to take a bigger role in our dressing room.”

http://nypost.com/2017/09/20/chris-kreider-knows-he-must-become-one-of-rangers-leaders/

Why no letter on their sweaters?
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Because Zucc deserved it more, plain and simple. Kreider can get his A next season when Nash is gone.
 
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