Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[IDvsEGO]

It's interesting that Colorado's watching the Rangers because at first glance I don't see them being complimentary trade partners. Kakko seems like the most likely but I wonder what the return would be.

Unless it’s byram, there’s nothing reasonable id move Kakko as a 1:1.

 

[McRanger92]

Unless it’s byram, there’s nothing reasonable id move Kakko as a 1:1.

Has Byram fallen off that much? Kakko has 4 points in 25 games

 

[zlev]

Nah, they couldn't get up ice because they had no support in their breakouts. Coaching issue though at some point I'd expect the players having played hockey all their lives to maybe figure something out themselves instead of rolling with 2 on 4 dump ins and stretch passes that brutally failed.

very true. the defensmen couldn't handle the Devils speed, but i wonder if that gets a bit better if we're not playing 4 on 5 whenever Kane was on the ice

 

[effen]

very true. the defensmen couldn't handle the Devils speed, but i wonder if that gets a bit better if we're not playing 4 on 5 whenever Kane was on the ice

There were a lot of counters to the devils structure and NZ speed but the easiest and simplest given their how many of their guys are like 5'10 180 would have been to just get it in the NZ and board them into next week.

Instead they just got swallowed up while being outmanned attacking and got trapped when the Devils countered and the defensemen got outnumbered the other way.

They fundamentally want to play clean, honest hockey and when you're outmatched that makes you lose. Intelligence issue.

 

[Guyute]

Has Byram fallen off that much? Kakko has 4 points in 25 games

He's had at least 3 concussions and struggles to stay healthy

 

[effen]

Has Byram fallen off that much? Kakko has 4 points in 25 games

Jellyhead but it's problematic to get value for those guys so id expect them to keep him and just never give him a big contract.

 

[Savant]

Has Byram fallen off that much? Kakko has 4 points in 25 games

He's had at least 3 concussions and struggles to stay healthy

Also Colorado wouldn’t trade him for Cutter Gauthier so doubt he is on the table for Kakko.

This feels (rightfully or wrongfully) very Sam Girard but then again I don’t think we can’t afford him either.

Wonder if they just want to do Kakko for a 1st (which will be a late first obviously) and the Rangers can just get off the salary.

Would be disappointing like the Lias trade was in that they had to take a bath on it, but at least they got Cuylle out of it

 

[effen]

If Kakko went for a late 1st that'd have to get flipped for something pretty quickly.

Cup contenders don't delete off their roster willy nilly. It would be part of a bigger package of moves.

 

[surlysailor]

It's interesting that Colorado's watching the Rangers because at first glance I don't see them being complimentary trade partners. Kakko seems like the most likely but I wonder what the return would be.

It’s probably just scouting the nyr because they play them right after the all star break. It’s probably easier for a team like col to scout them on the west coast. I don’t see any trades that could work. They wouldn’t want goodrow for anything around the same cap and there’s nothing worth kakko around that cap that helps nyr. Maybe something could be done for goodrow for Johanson but even then Avs would be adding a player long term.

 

[Savant]

If Kakko went for a late 1st that'd have to get flipped for something pretty quickly.

Cup contenders don't delete off their roster willy nilly. It would be part of a bigger package of moves.

Right. Would just be keeping the assets moving. That’s what I would think anyway

 

[Guyute]

I could see Kakko for Byram. The Avs have been playing Byram on his off-side because they already have a bunch of LD.

Although if it’s true that they wouldn’t deal Byram for Gauthier, IDK why they would deal him for Kakko. Maybe because Gauthier is still in college and can’t help immediately (especially now that Nichushkin is out) and because of the Rantanen and Lehkonen connection?

 

[UnSandvich]

If it’s Kakko for Byram, have to imagine that Lindgren is gone too, either in that trade or as a result of it

 

[Machinehead]

You also have to keep in mind that teams watch other teams all the time and mostly it's nothing.

 

[effen]

I could see Kakko for Byram. The Avs have been playing Byram on his off-side because they already have a bunch of LD.

Although if it’s true that they wouldn’t deal Byram for Gauthier, IDK why they would deal him for Kakko. Maybe because Gauthier is still in college and can’t help immediately (especially now that Nichushkin is out) and because of the Rantanen and Lehkonen connection?

Gauthier doesn't help them win the cup this year. You can't remove a guy in your Top 4 for a magic bean when you're driving Nathan MacKinnon into an early grave with ice time.

 

[Guyute]

I could see Kakko for Byram. The Avs have been playing Byram on his off-side because they already have a bunch of LD.

Although if it’s true that they wouldn’t deal Byram for Gauthier, IDK why they would deal him for Kakko. Maybe because Gauthier is still in college and can’t help immediately (especially now that Nichushkin is out) and because of the Rantanen and Lehkonen connection?

Something else to note is that dude Malinski (RHD) has been good for the Avs this season, which might make a defenseman expendable.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You also have to keep in mind that teams watch other teams all the time and mostly it's nothing.

This is true.

GM's don't normally tail a single team for multiple games though which is what happened here.

 

[MrAlmost]

Goodrow and Lindgren for Wood and Girard. Final offer.

 

[leetch99]

Kakko eventually would become a 30 goal scorer once in Colorado with the other Finns around him . I don't think it is the time to move on from the kid just yet . He is still just a kid at 22ish ......big kids take longer ...have patience .

 

[LOFIN]

I can imagine Colorado being intrigued about Kakko, but that would probably be an offseason move. And they really need a centerman, not wingers.

 

[haohmaru]

The Rangers are so thin at RW - I don't see Kakko being dangled out there - particularly given how cheap he should be next year given his lack of production. I don't think he's going to get a big raise and he is an effective player - and one the type of which the Rangers sorely need.

I wouldn't mind seeing Goodrow packaged with Jones to a team just to take him. Either way, I think Jones is a goner at the TDL. Hopefully, the Rangers can move on from Bonino too.

A lot, A LOT, depends on Chytil's health. The Rangers are a much, much deeper team with him in the lineup.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Listening to the Don LaGreca podcast and even he and EJ Hradek, who are usually the least reactionary guys around, are saying that the lineup has gotten stale, saying Laviolette should move somethings around, and even floating out the idea that 20 and 93 should be split up, maybe give Cuylle a shot on Zibanejads wing…

I mean, if these guys are even saying it, how f***ing deaf and blind are the coaches to not see this?

It’s infuriating.

I can imagine Colorado being intrigued about Kakko, but that would probably be an offseason move. And they really need a centerman, not wingers.

Everything is an offseason move with this team.

Most conservative old school culture at MSG. When was the last time the Rangers made coaching change mid-season? Tom Renney??? That’s like a million years ago.

 

[mas0764]

Girard needs a change of scenery but that contract is a distressed asset. The only deal that would work is if Goodrow is included. If that means Kakko or Lindgren going to the Avs, so be it.

People need to face the facts with Kakko. Lafreniere has made a jump. Cuylle plays better than him with worse linemates. If we can upgrade a position of need (defensive puck mover) and shed Goodrow you do it

You literally said the same thing about Lafreniere last year, that Kakko made the jump and Laf didn't.

 

[Mac n Gs]

The Avs are one of the most analytically-driven organizations and have been trying to dump Girard for 2+ years. He’s absolute dogshit defensively and gets eaten alive on the forecheck. I’ve been disappointed with how they’ve moved the puck the last month or so, but that has more to do with them trying to stretch the NZ and abandoning the 5-man rushes up ice that were there to start the season.

Girard has 3 years left at $5M with a modified NTC kicking in next year. Unless it’s for Goodrow, with them matching cap, it just doesn't make sense.

 

[McRanger92]

You literally said the same thing about Lafreniere last year, that Kakko made the jump and Laf didn't.

Kakko is older, more injury prone and worse offensively than Lafeniere. In general, I’ve always been more open to trading young players in the right deal. If Kakko start actually doing something I’ll start to consider him off limits. 3 coaches haven’t liked him. The guy has 4 points in 25 games and missed significant time this season with an injury(2 of the last 3 years for those keeping track). Plus he’s been on the top line for the majority of the season when healthy. I like him as a 3rd line Joel Armia type but if the Knicks can trade RJ Barrett in the right deal, the Rangers can trade Kakko.

The Rangers are so thin at RW - I don't see Kakko being dangled out there - particularly given how cheap he should be next year given his lack of production. I don't think he's going to get a big raise and he is an effective player - and one the type of which the Rangers sorely need.

I wouldn't mind seeing Goodrow packaged with Jones to a team just to take him. Either way, I think Jones is a goner at the TDL. Hopefully, the Rangers can move on from Bonino too.

A lot, A LOT, depends on Chytil's health. The Rangers are a much, much deeper team with him in the lineup.

We’re so thin at RW, our too best are 21 year old converted left wings lol