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I honestly don't think Goodrow's would look much better. Eye test too.
Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)
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80shockeywasbuns
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It wouldn’t because he also sucks beyond belief. Center vs wing is irrelevant when you’re talking horrible below replacement level players. The goal is to have as few of them in the lineup as possible, not quibble over which position they’re slated to go suck balls at
haohmaru
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I'm not sure the red is dark enough to convey how bad he really is. Good god.
McRanger92
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Goodrow has looked his best as a Ranger as a bottom 6 wing, if we’re looking for a silver lining. If he plays like an agitator in that role he’ll at least be providing something we don’t currently have
As of today their current payroll is just shy of 36 million. Injuries and contract termination excluded.
He’ll be providing that in the form of a player who sucks balls.
That’s not a good thing.
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Mika drives me nuts when he isn’t playing well. Paid to be a 1C but he’s really a 2C/PP specialist. He’s just there during 5v5 play and he hasn’t even been great on the PP this year. Oh well, we’re stuck with him.
I’d do whatever it takes to sell him on SoCal and send him to the Ducks for Zegras.
Zegras isn’t a winning player you say? Is Mika?
I’d do whatever it takes to sell him on SoCal and send him to the Ducks for Zegras.
Zegras isn’t a winning player you say? Is Mika?
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Middleton seems like a lateral move for Lindgren. Miller has too much value for anything they'd trade.
TopShelfSnipes
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If we're going to move Miller:
Miller, Goodrow, and a first (throw in a 2nd or a 3rd in a later year, if necessary to sweeten the pot) for:
-Chychrun, Tarasenko at 50% retention, and Ridly Greig.
Immediate fix to three of our biggest weaknesses.
Panarin-Trocheck-Lafreniere
Cuylle-Zibanejad-Kakko
Kreider-Greig-Tarasenko
Vesey-Brodzinski-Wheeler
Chychrun-Fox
Gustafsson-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider
When Chytil comes back:
Panarin-Trocheck-Lafreniere
Kreider-Chytil-Tarasenko
Cuylle-Zibanejad-Kakko
Vesey-Greig-Wheeler/Brodzinski
Not sure Ottawa takes that deal though.
GENESISPuck94
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At least Zegras is entertaining and highly skilled. Zibanejad's personality is as exciting as watching paint dry. He has the intensity of Eeyore.
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This roster really needs a shake up. It needs more guys who like to compete and actually care. This team is so mentally weak and just no one cares.
Id love to trade mika but that cant happen unfortunately.
- Id find a way to move lindgren for assets and sign zadorov.
- im too concerned if chytil’s concussion issues. If a team was willing to take him for assets, id make that trade and sign max domi as 3C
- id ensure othmann makes he team as a 3rd line winger
- id sign patty maroon 1X1. Yes save the bs that he cant play/skate, the guy cares and could maybe spark this mentally weak bunch.
Kreider-mika-kakko
Bread-trocheck-laff
Cuylle-domi-othmann
Maroon-goodrow-vesey
Zadorov-fox
Kandre-trouba
Gus-schneider
Id love to trade mika but that cant happen unfortunately.
- Id find a way to move lindgren for assets and sign zadorov.
- im too concerned if chytil’s concussion issues. If a team was willing to take him for assets, id make that trade and sign max domi as 3C
- id ensure othmann makes he team as a 3rd line winger
- id sign patty maroon 1X1. Yes save the bs that he cant play/skate, the guy cares and could maybe spark this mentally weak bunch.
Kreider-mika-kakko
Bread-trocheck-laff
Cuylle-domi-othmann
Maroon-goodrow-vesey
Zadorov-fox
Kandre-trouba
Gus-schneider
So how’s Chytil doing ? Gonna need him or another C come the deadline
Maybe get a versitaile body that can also play RW
Brodz and Pitlick should be waived eventually
Maybe get a versitaile body that can also play RW
Brodz and Pitlick should be waived eventually
It's almost like the coaching change did nothing.
Said it before, I'll say it again. This team needs a hard ass coach that teaches them to "play the right way."
Meaning structure, disciplined line changes, a defensive scheme that works for the personnel on hand, simple north south hockey, and accountability for everyone.
I still don't believe Lavi is that coach. His system that was present in the first quarter of the season is already missing in action. He either doesn't care, or the players have tuned him out.
You can't win without a coach to properly teach at least most of the personnel how to play as a team. You don't have to win with that coach... but he needs to be present in the recent history of the team. The Rongos keep trying to skip this step. I have no idea why. It worked with Torts very recently.
Said it before, I'll say it again. This team needs a hard ass coach that teaches them to "play the right way."
Meaning structure, disciplined line changes, a defensive scheme that works for the personnel on hand, simple north south hockey, and accountability for everyone.
I still don't believe Lavi is that coach. His system that was present in the first quarter of the season is already missing in action. He either doesn't care, or the players have tuned him out.
You can't win without a coach to properly teach at least most of the personnel how to play as a team. You don't have to win with that coach... but he needs to be present in the recent history of the team. The Rongos keep trying to skip this step. I have no idea why. It worked with Torts very recently.
I mean more valueable than someone like Lindgren? Sure.
But I disagree with this sentiment. Lets say it all falls apart for this group again, that isn't where they should be looking to deal from. They should subtract from the leadership group and theres only one guy who is an easy move from that group.
Also Middleton is way better than Lindgren.
Middleton for Lindgren would be a f***ing steal for us.
Middleton for Lindgren would be a f***ing steal for us.
GENESISPuck94
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This core is on it's 3rd coaching staff.
Show me an organization that purposefully derailed back to back #1 and #2 overall pick's development and won a Stanley Cup because PP unit rank. Show me one Stanley Cup champion in the last 2 decades that didn't have their high picks leading their team to a Cup and in several instances multiple Cups. Show me one instance where a bunch of mercenaries won a championship in the NHL.
The closest thing you'll find is the Vegas Golden Knights. One Cup in NHL history since the advent of the draft. Certainly not in my lifetime.
Rangers don't get it, and never will, that they're not winning jack shit until their #1 and #2 overall picks are leading the way. Like 99.99999999% of every championship team has done.
Zibanejad, Trocheck, Panarin, Nash, Brassard, Richards, Gomez, Drury, Jagr, Robitaille, Bure, Fleury, Lindros, Nedved, Holik... an endless list of mercenaries at the expense of draft picks and young players, throwing shit against the wall hoping for something to stick long enough to win. It hasn't happened and it'll never happen.
They got gifted Laf and Kakko. Those are the guys that should have been given the car keys and got every single opportunity in every situation until they became the dominant team leaders and everyone else was the supporting cast. Like every other championship and multi-time championship franchise has done before. Rangers got gifted by the league arguably at the time the most high profile #1 pick since Crosby and they've handled him like a late 2nd or 3rd rounder "earn it rook" for his ice time and it's still years later "earn it kid" for any PP time. And then people in the same breath stat watch the Stutzle, Hughes, Bedard all of them racking up PP points and getting 20 minutes a night in all situations. While our guy sits there on the bench as a spectator and watches Nick f***ing Bonino get as much ice time in the first 2 periods against Seattle the other night. And then we wonder why we have one Cup in 80+ years.
Nobody has won a Cup doing it the "Rangers way" and the Rangers never will either. Matter of fact, the last time the Rangers were real multi time Champs and didn't fumble ass backwards into a Cup (94) was when they built their teams from within because that's just how it was done from 1928 to 1940... 84+ years ago.
If anyone thinks Tofu Boy, Trocheck, and Panarin are leading us to Stanley Cups, I got bridges to sell you.
Bottom line, should PP1 be "broken up" so that the single most important player to the long term vitality of this franchise can get the needed reps to become the player he would have already been had they not completely f***ed up his development from the start... yes, they should. I don't give two shits about Zibanejad's hair, DJ music, or slap shot, I don't give two shits about guys having to stop being lazy and comfortable and start moving their feet to another spot on the ice.
You don't derail a #1 and #2 overall pick's career to fit them in when and where you can as an after thought... you put them where they should be and then everyone else should be secondary.
The Rangers way clearly isnt even sustainable for half a season. When it works out the Rangers way, let me know.
I would shake them up. I'd deal Zibanejad for a young center. I'd deal one of the D.
Show me an organization that purposefully derailed back to back #1 and #2 overall pick's development and won a Stanley Cup because PP unit rank. Show me one Stanley Cup champion in the last 2 decades that didn't have their high picks leading their team to a Cup and in several instances multiple Cups. Show me one instance where a bunch of mercenaries won a championship in the NHL.
The closest thing you'll find is the Vegas Golden Knights. One Cup in NHL history since the advent of the draft. Certainly not in my lifetime.
Rangers don't get it, and never will, that they're not winning jack shit until their #1 and #2 overall picks are leading the way. Like 99.99999999% of every championship team has done.
Zibanejad, Trocheck, Panarin, Nash, Brassard, Richards, Gomez, Drury, Jagr, Robitaille, Bure, Fleury, Lindros, Nedved, Holik... an endless list of mercenaries at the expense of draft picks and young players, throwing shit against the wall hoping for something to stick long enough to win. It hasn't happened and it'll never happen.
They got gifted Laf and Kakko. Those are the guys that should have been given the car keys and got every single opportunity in every situation until they became the dominant team leaders and everyone else was the supporting cast. Like every other championship and multi-time championship franchise has done before. Rangers got gifted by the league arguably at the time the most high profile #1 pick since Crosby and they've handled him like a late 2nd or 3rd rounder "earn it rook" for his ice time and it's still years later "earn it kid" for any PP time. And then people in the same breath stat watch the Stutzle, Hughes, Bedard all of them racking up PP points and getting 20 minutes a night in all situations. While our guy sits there on the bench as a spectator and watches Nick f***ing Bonino get as much ice time in the first 2 periods against Seattle the other night. And then we wonder why we have one Cup in 80+ years.
Nobody has won a Cup doing it the "Rangers way" and the Rangers never will either. Matter of fact, the last time the Rangers were real multi time Champs and didn't fumble ass backwards into a Cup (94) was when they built their teams from within because that's just how it was done from 1928 to 1940... 84+ years ago.
If anyone thinks Tofu Boy, Trocheck, and Panarin are leading us to Stanley Cups, I got bridges to sell you.
Bottom line, should PP1 be "broken up" so that the single most important player to the long term vitality of this franchise can get the needed reps to become the player he would have already been had they not completely f***ed up his development from the start... yes, they should. I don't give two shits about Zibanejad's hair, DJ music, or slap shot, I don't give two shits about guys having to stop being lazy and comfortable and start moving their feet to another spot on the ice.
You don't derail a #1 and #2 overall pick's career to fit them in when and where you can as an after thought... you put them where they should be and then everyone else should be secondary.
The Rangers way clearly isnt even sustainable for half a season. When it works out the Rangers way, let me know.
I would shake them up. I'd deal Zibanejad for a young center. I'd deal one of the D.
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There’s about a dozen guys they should be looking to move for “salary” before Miller lmao
Yea but they don't have any trade value
The leadership group all have no trade clauses.
The leadership group all have no trade clauses.
Oscar Lindberg
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Saying Zibanejad is a mercenary is quite the take. And completely lacks context that they traded for him at 23 lmao
If you want to make an argument his skills at this stage aren’t that of a 1C, that’s valid. But putting him in the category of mercenary is wild to me
At some point it’s the core/players and not the coach. Obviously there is a long way to go with this season and this whole discourse could be laughable by April/May. But I assume we’re getting to the point where if they don’t win anything this year, Drury will be making some core shaking moves
If you want to make an argument his skills at this stage aren’t that of a 1C, that’s valid. But putting him in the category of mercenary is wild to me
At some point it’s the core/players and not the coach. Obviously there is a long way to go with this season and this whole discourse could be laughable by April/May. But I assume we’re getting to the point where if they don’t win anything this year, Drury will be making some core shaking moves
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Haven't read the post game diatribe yet but here's my penny.
Silver lining. This game like a few others since the New Year has shown a lot to the person making the roster decisions.
This team cannot stand pat or its gonna get ugly.
Most Rangers fans that i know seem to think this roster, like so many other Ranger rosters since I've been watching (1974) is way too soft.
A lot of the most vocal posters here may think different. Or maybe they don't. But I do know one thing.
I've seen less skilled teams beat the Rangers into the dirt, by goon tactics in the 70s and 80s. Size and net front presence in the 90s.
System play, board battles, and sheer guts and will now.
Like many Ranger squads over the last 50 years, the NY Ranger model doesn't initiate, they are more built to have to respond. Can't think of a Ranger team that ground others teams into the ice with physicality and sheer will in a playoff series.
The 94 team was a hybrid team that leaned grit. But Mike Richer and Brian Leetch had the will AND Skill to get it done.
That said , what I'd do for a prime Esa Tikkanen or Glenn Anderson on this squad.
I think this team is good, but too soft in areas that matter against a good team in a playoff series.
I don't see a cup or a final with this core. I don't see it in the make up of the Oilers, Devils or Toronto either.
Watching till I die, with high hopes for my gut to be proven wrong
Silver lining. This game like a few others since the New Year has shown a lot to the person making the roster decisions.
This team cannot stand pat or its gonna get ugly.
Most Rangers fans that i know seem to think this roster, like so many other Ranger rosters since I've been watching (1974) is way too soft.
A lot of the most vocal posters here may think different. Or maybe they don't. But I do know one thing.
I've seen less skilled teams beat the Rangers into the dirt, by goon tactics in the 70s and 80s. Size and net front presence in the 90s.
System play, board battles, and sheer guts and will now.
Like many Ranger squads over the last 50 years, the NY Ranger model doesn't initiate, they are more built to have to respond. Can't think of a Ranger team that ground others teams into the ice with physicality and sheer will in a playoff series.
The 94 team was a hybrid team that leaned grit. But Mike Richer and Brian Leetch had the will AND Skill to get it done.
That said , what I'd do for a prime Esa Tikkanen or Glenn Anderson on this squad.
I think this team is good, but too soft in areas that matter against a good team in a playoff series.
I don't see a cup or a final with this core. I don't see it in the make up of the Oilers, Devils or Toronto either.
Watching till I die, with high hopes for my gut to be proven wrong
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