Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[17futurecap]

Chytil for Bonino

Pitlick for Brodzinski

Another winger in a trade to replace Wheeler

Cook with gas.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Nick Bonino is not coming out of the lineup.

Coach has him in Nashville. He leads all forwards in blocked shots. He was targeted for a role.

Same with Goodrow and Vesey. Wheeler I could see being scratched, same with Pitlick. But I think you’re looking at K-Z-X, AP-Trocheck-Laf, Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko, Vesey-Bonino-Goodrow, if chytil comes back. C would be an acquired player. Thats the most realistic scenario

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Chytil skating with Jagr is the best thing to come out of his injury. Talk about having the perfect guy to teach him how to use his body. I'd love if this team would hire Jagr to work with all the young forwards

Nick Bonino is not coming out of the lineup.

Coach has him in Nashville. He leads all forwards in blocked shots. He was targeted for a role.

Same with Goodrow and Vesey. Wheeler I could see being scratched, same with Pitlick. But I think you’re looking at K-Z-X, AP-Trocheck-Laf, Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko, Vesey-Bonino-Goodrow, if chytil comes back. C would be an acquired player. Thats the most realistic scenario

I dont see this team ever scratching Wheeler.

 

[Fitzy]

Vesey-Bonino-Goodrow becomes the 4th line. It's not a good fourth line, but they shouldn't allow too many goals against, either.

I just need Vesey to slow his f***ing role and put the puck behind the net and go after it when he's playing with grinders. None of this dumb lateral pass shit he's been doing the last few weeks. No risks, no pinching, just low event hockey when they're out there.

 

[Savant]

But do you get what you are saying?
Instead of grabbing the bull by the horn, and not doing any further damage on top of what was done already, some would continue these half ass measures that only bleed us further.

We have enuf ammo if we do it my way and repupose some of our better assets
if not, expect more of da same

Right but again that’s why I’m not trying to pick up any long term salary commitment. The team isn’t going to blow it up. What they can do is more out some guys so they aren’t obligated to extend them and lock into the roster. You change the mix a bit and adjust accordingly. Team does not have a ton of routes to improving with the cap situation, and giving out certain extensions do nothing but lock into a flawed roster, so yeah if I can move out some RFA for some UFA and upgrade the team/improve some things I am bad at, sure I’m doing it.

 

[Guyute]

Trading Mika for Zegras this summer would be like trading Brassard for Mika.

Maybe the Ducks want to bring in a veteran Swede to mentor Carlsson.

Zegras’ 19-22 year old seasons have been more impressive than Mika’s 18-22 year old seasons.

 

[Alluckks]

Trocheck is having a fantastic year between Laf and Panarin, but I think something desperately needs to change with our other top 6 line in order to get the whole flow back on track. I also have been thinking Henrique really would fit in here great.

Panarin Zib Laf
Kreider Trocheck Kakko
Cuylle Henrique Vesey

Then figure out the 4th line.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Vesey-Bonino-Goodrow becomes the 4th line. It's not a good fourth line, but they shouldn't allow too many goals against, either.

I just need Vesey to slow his f***ing role and put the puck behind the net and go after it when he's playing with grinders. None of this dumb lateral pass shit he's been doing the last few weeks. No risks, no pinching, just low event hockey when they're out there.

Imo vesey goodrow and wheeler is the 4th line eventually, though i think a line of Cuylle Chytil and Vesey is something they need to visit when Chytil is back

 

[EdJovanovski]

We need him

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Our success depends on having a capable 3rd line, like we did when we went to the conference finals. Management wants to keep Kreider and Zib together, i don't but its what is gonna happen. I'm not as worried about a top 6 winger, Kakko and Lafreniere can handle those spots decently, I'm more worried about what happens if we don't get Chytil back and we also need someone with pace to complete a 3rd line of Cuylle Chytil and young fast forechecker with some skill, i can't for the life of me figure out why Berard hasn't been given a shot there, he would be 10 times more effective than the guys we have and he wouldn't have the burden of being a scorer like Othmann to have success. If not, then Vesey but then we need a guy who can push the pace on the 4th line. I was blasted for it early in the year but i still believe there is room for Rempe on this team for multiple reasons.

Can’t play Berard in the bottom 6. What if he scores 1 goal for half the season with a 38% xGF and grades as one of the worst players in the entire league?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Chytil skating with Jagr is the best thing to come out of his injury. Talk about having the perfect guy to teach him how to use his body. I'd love if this team would hire Jagr to work with all the young forwards


I dont see this team ever scratching Wheeler.

I demand a training montage Rocky IV meets Kickboxer style of Chytil chopping wood in the snow, running up a mountain with Jagr in a carriage, doing pushups with Jagr on his back, drinking yack piss, etc.

 

[Rongomania]

I demand a training montage Rocky IV meets Kickboxer style of Chytil chopping wood in the snow, running up a mountain with Jagr in a carriage, doing pushups with Jagr on his back, drinking yack piss, etc.

Kill Bill 2 style would also suffice.

 

[bl02]

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Chytil for Bonino

Pitlick for Brodzinski

Another winger in a trade to replace Wheeler

Cook with gas.

I enjoyed watching a 4th line that actually looked good. Pitlick>>>Wheeler/Bonino

 

[QJL]

Trocheck is having a fantastic year between Laf and Panarin, but I think something desperately needs to change with our other top 6 line in order to get the whole flow back on track. I also have been thinking Henrique really would fit in here great.

Panarin Zib Laf
Kreider Trocheck Kakko
Cuylle Henrique Vesey

Then figure out the 4th line.

I think breaking up Panarin / Trocheck / Lafreniere would be an immediate fireable offense.

You fix the problems another way. You don’t break up the best Rangers line in a decade, maybe decades.

 

[bernmeister]

Right but again that’s why I’m not trying to pick up any long term salary commitment. The team isn’t going to blow it up. What they can do is more out some guys so they aren’t obligated to extend them and lock into the roster. You change the mix a bit and adjust accordingly. Team does not have a ton of routes to improving with the cap situation, and giving out certain extensions do nothing but lock into a flawed roster, so yeah if I can move out some RFA for some UFA and upgrade the team/improve some things I am bad at, sure I’m doing it.

but there is a dif betw adding long term at too much age, which is highest priority to avoid, and then also overpay in $$$ as opposed to bargain or at least good value salary.

If you add/extend top talent in early 20s on deals that gets them near 30-ish, you are buying prime physical years, min chance of breakdown etc.
Unless acquisition cost is prohibitive, you go there

 

[Savant]

but there is a dif betw adding long term at too much age, which is highest priority to avoid, and then also overpay in $$$ as opposed to bargain or at least good value salary.

If you add/extend top talent in early 20s on deals that gets them near 30-ish, you are buying prime physical years, min chance of breakdown etc.
Unless acquisition cost is prohibitive, you go there

You are, but you’ve also described the players that are the absolute hardest to acquire in trade. Don’t think there is any motivation for these teams that have young talent locked up to move them unless the player goes nuclear. Would be great to get these guys, but these are exactly the players that the Rangers don’t have ammo to get

 

[bernmeister]

yardbarker had this

Senators reportedly entertaining offers for former first-round pick

Senators GM Steve Staios is examining possible trades to finally kickstart the team’s rebuild out of low gear while freeing up financial maneuverability in the process.

www.yardbarker.com

while clearly saying Chych, implying not Sand, on the table, it is reluctant to deal a quality add, but Sens are so effed up w/cap etc they have to consider drastic steps back moves now to have even just maneuverability to go ahead

translation: bern is possibly right, depending on variables
IF enuf high end prospects futures to OTT now, Sandy can be had, b'c too much profit to ignore.
Also, Chych can slide and play RD. Keeping him and moving an LD might be easier to replace, even if replacement will be a downgrade [offset by quality F adds]

 

[Raspewtin]

I think breaking up Panarin / Trocheck / Lafreniere would be an immediate fireable offense.

You fix the problems another way. You don’t break up the best Rangers line in a decade, maybe decades.

yeah definitely not.

for as dynamic as they can be offensively they're absolutely woeful defensively as a line. they barely grade out as even in ES goal share.

 

[NYR Viper]

yeah definitely not.

for as dynamic as they can be offensively they're absolutely woeful defensively as a line. they barely grade out as even in ES goal share.

Yeah I wouldn't be as fearful of breaking up that line for a specific purpose.

 

[bernmeister]

You are, but you’ve also described the players that are the absolute hardest to acquire in trade. Don’t think there is any motivation for these teams that have young talent locked up to move them unless the player goes nuclear. Would be great to get these guys, but these are exactly the players that the Rangers don’t have ammo to get

under certain circumstances, Sanderson, like say McAvoy, just not available
under other circumstances, Sanderson can be had w/overpayment

leave it to me to show that can be done in correct currency
but not now
got real world shit to deal w/for coupla days

 

[Raspewtin]

Yeah I wouldn't be as fearful of breaking up that line for a specific purpose.

not only that but in their time with Chytil they were probably even better.

Panarin and Trocheck dont have some kind of magic chemistry imo, and I don't even think he's the best fit for that line.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Zero reason going back and forth with that bozo. I've been on this site long enough now to know the guys shtick. Just about every post from the sad little man is some gotcha condescending retort. He never really offers anything meaningful to the boards, its generally just to take digs at people... I guess it gives him fulfillment from his sad life. Emphasizing metrics that everyone else has access to as if it's some enlightened position bestowing upon the ignorant masses. Generally this site isn't bad, even if you don't agree with someone... but there's been a few posters over the years that are just completely off-putting trash

Thought this was gonna be a JT Miller trade proposal at first

And 100% spot on

 

[kovazub94]

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Chytil for Bonino

Pitlick for Brodzinski

Another winger in a trade to replace Wheeler

Cook with gas.

Free agent pickup.

 

[Kendo]

I’d try at the draft. Get some young player back in the deal and Im a Lindgren fan. His game does not last in his mid 30s. I can see him breaking down at 30 to be honest. Not worth it. Love his heart and effort and the player, but his game is injury prone.

I'm only trading him for a slam dunk upgrade like Hanifin, but even that comes with cap issues.

It's true that his game won't last into his mid-30's, and I too can see him breaking down at 30. But he is currently *almost* 26. We can sign him for 4 years and not worry about that. It's the same old Girardi argument. Girardi did a lot of good on his three year deal before that boat anchor 6-yr deal at 30. That can certainly be worth it as long as we don't go over $4.5m or 4 years, $4.75 x 5 MAX. Refusing to re-sign him at 30 would be "undoing the mistakes of the past."

 

[NYR Viper]

not only that but in their time with Chytil they were probably even better.

Panarin and Trocheck dont have some kind of magic chemistry imo, and I don't even think he's the best fit for that line.

The key for me would be to breakup Kreider and Zibanejad. It's stale and just doesn't work. Kreider with Trochek does work. Cuylle with Zibanejad and a playmaking RW, say Kakko would be a good unit.

That leaves:

Panarin-Chytil-Lafreniere
Kreider-Trochek-Vesey/signing/trade
Cuylle-Zibanejad-Kakko