Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[kovazub94]

According to latest 32 Thoughts article, there's speculation Blues will want a bundle for Buch -- starting with two firsts.

PASS.

That speculation was written to make Drury cry.

 

[NYR Viper]

The reason is that you're going off an incredibly small sample size. I would bet you can find many 37 game sample sizes of depth players with 2+ pts/60. I'll pick a random guy off the top of my head right now.

How about Tyler Pitlick? Yup, he did it just last year. From his Game 22 to Game 58 he scored 2.07 pts/60.

How about...another former Ranger. Tyler Motte? Not quite but he did put up 1.87 pts/60 last year between his game 24 and 60. The fact that he has scored so far is nice but he has no pedigree saying you should expect him to continue to do so and having done it so far does not give you good reason to think he will do so going forward.

Dare I check Ryan Reaves? Lol, yep he did it too. Game 32 to 68 for him last year. 2.07 pts/60.

I mean sure, but I'm using very similar sample sizes for the guys we are looking to acquire and if anything, their most recent performance would be weighted highly to determine what effect they would have for the remainder of this year.

We can argue and debate the merits of the edges of these number but the overarching point remains. What player, on that list, is worth the price tag rumored and who will provide the necessary upgrade worthy of that price compared to Brodzinski?

Bjugstad isn't a terrible idea. Plays C and RW. Isn't terribly old. Only signed through next season. A hair under 50% FO, 85 Hits, 30 pts.

Lavy gave Kakko a chance on the 1st line at the end of the last game. Bjugstad can move around the bottom 6 as 3c or 4c. Or 3rw if Kakko sticks on 1rw.

I haven't seen what his skating looks like so I don't have a concrete opinion on which role he'd be best at. But he fits the Vesey mold as a competent utility player.

Maybe AZ takes Goody back with a sweetener .

If the price is minimal, he's a good option.

My point on all of this is that it's not worth it for Drurty to go out and trade high end pieces for any of these guys. If someone is available for a reasonable price, like 4th + Henriksson, by all means, add to the depth of the team and push Goodrow to wing. But trading a 1st, or 2nd for Henrique? Hell no.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Wennberg is not meaningfully better than Brodzinski

Yes he is.

 

[kovazub94]

The reason is that you're going off an incredibly small sample size. I would bet you can find many 37 game sample sizes of depth players with 2+ pts/60. I'll pick a random guy off the top of my head right now.

How about Tyler Pitlick? Yup, he did it just last year. From his Game 22 to Game 58 he scored 2.07 pts/60.

How about...another former Ranger. Tyler Motte? Not quite but he did put up 1.87 pts/60 last year between his game 24 and 60. The fact that he has scored so far is nice but he has no pedigree saying you should expect him to continue to do so and having done it so far does not give you good reason to think he will do so going forward.

Dare I check Ryan Reaves? Lol, yep he did it too. Game 32 to 68 for him last year. 2.07 pts/60.

Brodzinski has played essentially a full 82-game NHL season over the last two seasons pretty evenly spread. Just a hair under 30 points also accrued pretty consistently. In each of his showings he looked more and more comfortable. I’d keep him at center where he plays his best and looks to be best served from the team’s perspective.

 

[SA16]

I mean sure, but I'm using very similar sample sizes for the guys we are looking to acquire and if anything, their most recent performance would be weighted highly to determine what effect they would have for the remainder of this year.

We can argue and debate the merits of the edges of these number but the overarching point remains. What player, on that list, is worth the price tag rumored and who will provide the necessary upgrade worthy of that price compared to Brodzinski?



If the price is minimal, he's a good option.

My point on all of this is that it's not worth it for Drurty to go out and trade high end pieces for any of these guys. If someone is available for a reasonable price, like 4th + Henriksson, by all means, add to the depth of the team and push Goodrow to wing. But trading a 1st, or 2nd for Henrique? Hell no.

I think everyone of those outside of Goodrow/Dowd would be a sizable upgrade. Those guys (Novak excluded) have history of production and you know what to expect. For Brodzinski, you don't and the error in pts/60 over 400 mins is extremely large. The fact that he has scored 2.1 pts/60 doesn't tell you too much about his actual ability. He can easily score 1.2 pts/60 long term. Wennberg is only a bit better than that at scoring (but we know he's good defensively and at other things). Relying on that with no backup plan isn't a great idea. This is contrary to the 7D thing where the point of trading for someone is depth in case of injury. This would be to have both of them play and one of the two slot into a lesser role. If you trade for a Wennberg type there's nothing preventing Brodzinski remaining the 3C and Wennberg being the 4C if his play warrants it. Obviously someone higher level like Henrique is a different story. For what it's worth I am no fan of Wennberg.

You could have just looked at that 38 game sample I posted of Reaves and said "Why does [his team] need to upgrade him? He's scored over 2 pts/60 in this many games." That obviously is faulty.

Brodzinski has played essentially a full 82-game NHL season over the last two seasons pretty evenly spread. Just a hair under 30 points also accrued pretty consistently. In each of his showings he looked more and more comfortable. I’d keep him at center where he plays his best and looks to be best served from the team’s perspective.

Not sure I'm seeing your numbers here. It's 19 points in 76 games this year and the two prior as a Ranger. Prior to this year he had 17 points in 101 NHL games. He's obviously been better this year. He certainly doesn't have a history to fall back on to assume this level production continues.

 

[bernmeister]

Kreider Mika Fox
.Miller Tro Laf
Gus Brods KK
Vesey Goodrow Trouba

Lindgren Edstrom
Rempe Schneider
Bread Berard


Lindbom/ Zac


Root for the Isles tonight?

Can't do it.

there is outside the box
and then there is another galaxy

 

[McRanger92]

That speculation was written to make Drury cry.

Rangers wouldve gotten that type of return if Gorton traded him before he was an unsigned RFA.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think everyone of those outside of Goodrow/Dowd would be a sizable upgrade. Those guys (Novak excluded) have history of production and you know what to expect. For Brodzinski, you don't and the error in pts/60 over 400 mins is extremely large. The fact that he has scored 2.1 pts/60 doesn't tell you too much about his actual ability. He can easily score 1.2 pts/60 long term. Wennberg is only a bit better than that at scoring (but we know he's good defensively and at other things). Relying on that with no backup plan isn't a great idea. This is contrary to the 7D thing where the point of trading for someone is depth in case of injury. This would be to have both of them play and one of the two slot into a lesser role. If you trade for a Wennberg type there's nothing preventing Brodzinski remaining the 3C and Wennberg being the 4C if his play warrants it. Obviously someone higher level like Henrique is a different story.

You could have just looked at that 38 game sample I posted of Reaves and said "Why does [his team] need to upgrade him? He's scored over 2 pts/60 in this many games." That obviously is faulty.



Not sure I'm seeing your numbers here. It's 19 points in 76 games this year and the two prior as a Ranger. Prior to this year he had 17 points in 101 NHL games. He's obviously been better this year. He certainly doesn't have a history to fall back on to assume this level production continues.

I don't think we are saying different things. I agree the team would be better off adding a center. What I am vehemently against is acquiring someone for a large asset cost and assuming they play better than Brodzinski. Yes, it's a small sample but that line has chemistry. Improve on Goodrow. Grab another guy who could slot in @ 3C if needed but play 4C for now. But that guy shouldn't cost more than a mid-round pick because of the expected role.

For example, the upgrade from Brodzinski to Henrique isn't worth a 1st + Robertson it is likely to cost. But the upgrade from Goodrow at center to someone like, say Bjugstad or Wennberg, may be worth a 3rd.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Vegas putting Eichel and Stone on IR again lmao this league is a joke. We all know what happens next. Rangers should IR Trouba

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

To his credit, Brodz has been playing well out of the 3C and making his case. But Is it sustainable and shouldn’t we want more C depth in case of injury? Would love to push him down to 4C come playoff time

 

[TheDirtyH]

I'm fine with Brodz at 3C especially since that line barely plays anyway. Get me a RW who might be able to help 93 and 20 score more than once a month (eberle).

 

[bhamill]

Vegas putting Eichel and Stone on IR again lmao this league is a joke. We all know what happens next. Rangers should IR Trouba

Hahaha. NYR should LTIR Trouba and use the space to facilitate retention deals (on pending UFA's only) and recoup some draft capital. Even with the extra space, anyone that moves the needle significantly for us would cost too much in the way of picks and prospects, and I don't think we are moving roster players. We will have about 6 mil of cap to use before doing that, and that should be more than enough space for anyone we will be adding.

 

[NYR Viper]

To his credit, Brodz has been playing well out of the 3C and making his case. But Is it sustainable and shouldn’t we want more C depth in case of injury? Would love to push him down to 4C come playoff time

I'm fine with Brodz at 3C especially since that line barely plays anyway. Get me a RW who might be able to help 93 and 20 score more than once a month (eberle).

I think these things aren't exclusive. Keep Brodzinski where he is and find a lower cost center who is capable of anchoring a 3B line. Or, if Brodzinski cools off, then slide that player up and slide Brodzinski down. Even in his worst games, Brodzinski is a good 4C at this point with his skating and back-checking.

Wennberg
Bjugstad
Eller
Sturm

Unless there is someone else out there who I am missing, those are likely the lower cost options available.

No Gourde. No Henrique. No Jenner. No Dowd.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Honestly, just getting rid of Goodrow at the deadline for anything will be a huge win, if Drury can miraculously pull that off.

But it wont happen because of ... Cups. And - who in their right mind would take him on? Other than a dump. You are giving away assets to do that

His game has fallen off a cliff. Someone said hes had 0 ES shots in February. Thats atrocious.

It pains me to see he is signed thru 26-27. At least Trouba's 8 comes off a season earlier.

 

[RangerBoy]

Larry doesn't believe any of the rentals are worthy of a first round pick. No difference makers.



Playoff type player. We can hope.

 

[SA16]

I don't think we are saying different things. I agree the team would be better off adding a center. What I am vehemently against is acquiring someone for a large asset cost and assuming they play better than Brodzinski. Yes, it's a small sample but that line has chemistry. Improve on Goodrow. Grab another guy who could slot in @ 3C if needed but play 4C for now. But that guy shouldn't cost more than a mid-round pick because of the expected role.

For example, the upgrade from Brodzinski to Henrique isn't worth a 1st + Robertson it is likely to cost. But the upgrade from Goodrow at center to someone like, say Bjugstad or Wennberg, may be worth a 3rd.

Yes, I agree with this. Henrique is good but not good enough to trade a 1st+ for.

 

[McRanger92]

Play Othmann in the top 6 instead of trading for a rental, then just be opportunistic at the deadline.

 

[duhmetreE]

Larry doesn't believe any of the rentals are worthy of a first round pick. No difference makers.



Playoff type player. We can hope.

I think he’ll be heavily reliant on the center. He needs a chytil or Trocheck. Someone to carry the puck.

Put Laffy with Zibs and maybe Otthman with Panarin Trocheck.

 

[bl02]

Play Othmann in the top 6 instead of trading for a rental, then just be opportunistic at the deadline.

Maybe I am glass half empty when it comes to our younger skilled players being rushed up but he is barely noticeable 5 on 5 in Hartford nevermind NHL playoff hockey. Call me negative but somehow I don't see that changing much playing with Mika and CK. Wish I was wrong. Plus he will get zero pp time here this year.

 

[McRanger92]

Maybe I am glass half empty when it comes to our younger skilled players being rushed up but he is barely noticeable 5 on 5 in Hartford nevermind NHL playoff hockey. Call me negative but somehow I don't see that changing much playing with Mika and CK. Wish I was wrong. Plus he will get zero pp time here this year.

He shoots the puck and plays physical. Hartford has been playing with a skeleton crew for weeks. Don't overthink it, hes 21 not 18.

 

[bl02]

He shoots the puck and plays physical. Hartford has been playing with a skeleton crew for weeks. Don't overthink it, hes 21 not 18.

The shooting and physical part is very nice but from what I've seen over last 10-15 games he's rarely in a spot to use that shot unless it's on the pp. Berard on the other hand has created a lot more of his own space and shots. I understand Berard needs a bit more cooking probably because of smaller size but just saying one has been noticeable the other not so much.
I am with you tho if they are gonna call up Othmann play him top 6 or top 9 at very least.

 

[duhmetreE]

The shooting and physical part is very nice but from what I've seen over last 10-15 games he's rarely in a spot to use that shot unless it's on the pp. Berard on the other hand has created a lot more of his own space and shots. I understand Berard needs a bit more cooking probably because of smaller size but just saying one has been noticeable the other not so much.
I am with you tho if they are gonna call up Othmann play him top 6 or top 9 at very least.

who has been his center?

 

[McRanger92]

who has been his center?

Leshitshow was in the game last night

 

[bl02]

who has been his center?

Was on a line with Berard and I believe Korczak for a stretch. Nash and Leschysyn were out for a good amount of time.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Was on a line with Berard and I believe Korczak for a stretch. Nash and Leschysyn were out for a good amount of time.

Hows korczak coming? If he can be a middle 6 guy that’s a huge need for us.