Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[Shesterkybomb]

Unless we are getting a Gourde or a Henrique (which looks like will require overpayment) not sure how much better there is out there.

Brooks mentioned Wennberg , I'm ok with that. It's really too bad Chytil got hurt, that line would have been ideal. Roslovic is another guy I'd take a shot at, think he might be out though.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Yup.

I think there are ways to make it less horrible but it's going to be tough to remedy that duo completely.

One way is to acquire someone who can do most of the work on entries and dishing the puck. That's why I think Eberle is a good fit.

 

[bleedblue94]

How can we guarantee that/make sure he is affordable?

better just wait til after the seasn,
no acquisition costs
see how much he wants...

AAV will be higher after the year. players want the bag and losing the option for the 8th year will absolutely make the aav higher, even .5m makes a difference as we have seen this year. as for a contract, you are looking at 7-8m for him over the 8 years.

Not tarasenko again.

He wasn't a fit last year, what makes you think he'd be a fit this year?

kane isnt here forced ahead of him, it makes a big difference. not saying he is the right player, but the situation here of the right side is noticeably different than last year. we need motor and speed players though at this point more than a former 40g scorer.

 

[SA16]

Let's take an updated look at the Kreider/Zibanejad 5v5 GF% by year:

23-24: 60%
22-23: 63.6%
21-22: 57.1%
20-21: 51.9%
19-20: 57.1%

Why does this line need to be "fixed" again? They are doing the same thing they always do which is outscore the opposition. Who cares what it looks like? We don't need their expected numbers or possession numbers (which are average anyway). We have years and years of data of them doing this. They have been outscoring their xG for years.

They can get better but with help on RW but they haven't been a problem.

 

[bernmeister]

AAV will be higher after the year. players want the bag and losing the option for the 8th year will absolutely make the aav higher, even .5m makes a difference as we have seen this year. as for a contract, you are looking at 7-8m for him over the 8 years.

exactly
not sure that # is manageable short-mid term

also 8 yrs term
it's one thing to push for Sanderson, JUST BARELY past 20, 8 yrs he is just shy of 30.
Even w/physical play, we can see him holding up

Hani?
8 yrs = mid 30s ish end of deal
Risk of the wheels falling off?

IF we move Trouba to DET and send most of his cap with...
and can do Lindy + somewhere for 2nd +

then no cost to acquire, ufa signing, I go as high as 8.25 x 4
extensive ntc [never nmc] which lessens each yr.

other than that, not worth it

Let's take an updated look at the Kreider/Zibanejad 5v5 GF% by year:

23-24: 60%
22-23: 63.6%
21-22: 57.1%
20-21: 51.9%
19-20: 57.1%

Why does this line need to be "fixed" again? They are doing the same thing they always do which is outscore the opposition. Who cares what it looks like? We don't need their expected numbers or possession numbers (which are average anyway). We have years and years of data of them doing this. They have been outscoring their xG for years.

They can get better but with help on RW but they haven't been a problem.

Main ? is getting a RW or another pivot, slide Zib to RW

 

[GAGLine]

Hanifin? That's going to cost way too much, both in trade chips and in salary.

Yes, he very likely will. I'm not suggesting we trade for him, but I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Drury goes after a player with the idea of having him long term.

 

[Machinehead]

Let's take an updated look at the Kreider/Zibanejad 5v5 GF% by year:

23-24: 60%
22-23: 63.6%
21-22: 57.1%
20-21: 51.9%
19-20: 57.1%

Why does this line need to be "fixed" again? They are doing the same thing they always do which is outscore the opposition. Who cares what it looks like? We don't need their expected numbers or possession numbers (which are average anyway). We have years and years of data of them doing this. They have been outscoring their xG for years.

They can get better but with help on RW but they haven't been a problem.

In playoffs the last two years, these two have a 60% GF on a 39% xGF.

That's hilarious.

 

[bleedblue94]

exactly
not sure that # is manageable short-mid term

also 8 yrs term
it's one thing to push for Sanderson, JUST BARELY past 20, 8 yrs he is just shy of 30.
Even w/physical play, we can see him holding up

Hani?
8 yrs = mid 30s ish end of deal
Risk of the wheels falling off?

youre signing him at a younger age, not at 30. you arent getting sanderson types for anything, teams do not trade 1st pair d that are young. the kings are horribly regretting the faber trade right now.

the dollar in manageable if you move out lindgren and goodrow before next season, and quite honestly chytil's money may not be a cap consideration for this org going forward. there are ways to do it if you think he is the right player for this team

 

[Machinehead]

You know why that line "works" even when it's ugly? Chris Kreider is a cheat code. I've been telling you guys this for years.

Over his whole career, the Rangers have scored 58% of the goals with Kreider on the ice at 5v5. 12 NHL seasons, different roles, different coaches, different linemates, and the Rangers are beating the shit out of everyone in the stat that matters every time he touches the ice.

He's like a f***ing magic orb.

 

[NYRKing]

Feels like a buyers market. A lot of UFAs but not a lot of contenders with cap or assets. Wennberg makes sense since he should be reasonably cheap.

 

[Guyute]

Let's take an updated look at the Kreider/Zibanejad 5v5 GF% by year:

23-24: 60%
22-23: 63.6%
21-22: 57.1%
20-21: 51.9%
19-20: 57.1%

Why does this line need to be "fixed" again? They are doing the same thing they always do which is outscore the opposition. Who cares what it looks like? We don't need their expected numbers or possession numbers (which are average anyway). We have years and years of data of them doing this. They have been outscoring their xG for years.

They can get better but with help on RW but they haven't been a problem.

Good post. I rip on 93 all of the time and definitely have a bias. He drives me nuts when he's too fancy and refuses to score ugly goals (rebounds, screens, etc - goals that will win you playoff games). Nevertheless, you can't argue with his results.


“However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.”

people keep harping on KAM.... make it make sense...

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Why can I see pictures only 40% of the time?

 

[Machinehead]

Why can I see pictures only 40% of the time?

I blame Kreider. Opponents only score 40% of the time when he's on the ice.

 

[bleedblue94]

Feels like a buyers market. A lot of UFAs but not a lot of contenders with cap or assets. Wennberg makes sense since he should be reasonably cheap.

The prices paid so far notably show it is not a buyer's market. Monahan getting a 1st+ should tell you that

 

[NYR Viper]

 

[bleedblue94]

You know why that line "works" even when it's ugly? Chris Kreider is a cheat code. I've been telling you guys this for years.

Over his whole career, the Rangers have scored 58% of the goals with Kreider on the ice at 5v5. 12 NHL seasons, different roles, different coaches, different linemates, and the Rangers are beating the shit out of everyone in the stat that matters every time he touches the ice.

He's like a f***ing magic orb.

and he is signed for 6.5m

Remember everyone losing their minds about that...

 

[Machinehead]

and he is signed for 6.5m

Remember everyone losing their minds about that...

I laughed because I read "losing their minds" the way the guy in your avatar would say it lol

 

[Machinehead]

Oh boy

 

[NYRKing]

The prices paid so far notably show it is not a buyer's market. Monahan getting a 1st+ should tell you that

Talking about the remaining rental pieces TDL. In fact, Van and WPG possibly out of the equation removes two contenders bidding on players NYR may be interested in.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Kreider sucks with Mika.

Eye test confirms this.

Imagine thinking Kreider is a "cheat code"

 

[kovazub94]

Yea I think 2.5M is way too much. If we have 5-6M to spend and ideally want a top six RW and 3C I am not wasting half that money on a guy whose role is to sit in the press box and play if someone gets hurt.

I don't think trading for a quality D is the move either. Trouba/Lindgren are not coming out of the lineup. We don't need to upgrade on Gustafsson. Anyone available is either not better than him or not better enough that it's worth the assets. If Lindgren is in the trade that's obviously totally different but I doubt it. The guys we need are the extremely cheap depth guys to have just in case. They don't prevent us from adding at other spots. In the past we got Braun and Mikkola who both made like 1.8M.

In addition to the guys I mentioned someone like Jon Merrill is a fine option. Been a 6/7 D forever, he's not totally terrible, he only makes 1.2M this year and next.

Even though I defended him earlier in the season, at this point my issue is Lindgren. Not because of (lack of) offense even compared to last season - I was hoping that he'd regain that level at some point this season but alas - doesn't seem likely at this point. My issue with Lindgren - as a first pair guy and Fox's cover to let RD be more opportunistic offensively - is his defense. More over we will hold our collective breath after even the most innocent looking hit he takes because what's then? I don't like any alternative options to play on that first pair with Fox.

And I'm well aware that this level of improvement is costly. That's why the target should be someone who come already or can ben resigned with a term like Hanifin. And if he's pushed out from the top pair, I'm not sure it's a guarantee that Lindgren will be guaranteed any other available LD spot - at best he'd platoon with Gustafsson either becoming an acceptable replacement option as 7th D.

 

[bhamill]

Brodz re-signs for 2 years. $787,500/year

Hang Drury.
/sarcasm

 

[bleedblue94]

Talking about the remaining rental pieces TDL. In fact, Van and WPG possibly out of the equation removes two contenders bidding on players NYR may be interested in.

Van is not done, they are going to be adding more. the issue is clear supply versus the number of teams that think they can still get in and owners that want that playoff revenue. with some of the bigger chips off the board that makes the secondary pieces more of a priority bc the pickings are limited. look at Tanev, he is going to go for a 1st. Should he is debatable but he is going to get the flames a first by the time this is over. Then you will see other d that typically would land a 3rd fetching 2nds. It's not so much about who is a buyer as it is that there are only a few clear sellers that have legitimate assets to deal.

 

[RGY]

Fool’s gold. He has been an ok filler for now but please get help.

 

[Machinehead]

Kreider sucks with Mika.

Eye test confirms this.

Imagine thinking Kreider is a "cheat code"

I'll also accept "magic," or a "panacea" that's a fancy one, or just "elite" will suffice.

However you want to describe "makes his team much better than the other team by existing" is fair game.

 

[NYRKing]

Van is not done, they are going to be adding more. the issue is clear supply versus the number of teams that think they can still get in and owners that want that playoff revenue. with some of the bigger chips off the board that makes the secondary pieces more of a priority bc the pickings are limited. look at Tanev, he is going to go for a 1st. Should he is debatable but he is going to get the flames a first by the time this is over. Then you will see other d that typically would land a 3rd fetching 2nds. It's not so much about who is a buyer as it is that there are only a few clear sellers that have legitimate assets to deal.

We’re not trading for a Hanifin, Guenzel, Tanev, Chychrun etc. It’s a fun thought but not happening. Even Henrique might be overkill depending on the price.

A buyers market is definitely possible with the secondary pieces Drury might look at: wennberg, Duclair, Eberle, Sturm, Beavillier, Kuraly, Roslovich, and many other UFAs that could be a fit for us.