Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[RangerBoy]

Every NHL Team has construction issues

Brooks wants a checking line which is hard to play against. The Rangers are too soft. The Rangers play with no emotion. He isn’t wrong.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Brooks wants a checking line which is hard to play against. The Rangers are too soft. The Rangers play with no emotion. He isn’t wrong.

Adding a bottom 6 player who is a solid forechecker with some speed and can mix it up while chipping in a few points is the type of move this team needs to make. They have prospects who play that style, but they don’t appear to be ready. Or a depth D. Someone who can play steady on the bottom pair with some size in case of an injury. That’s all they really need to do.

If you look at the teams who have won the cup and acquired rentals, they have been these type of players.

Barbashev. Lehkonen. Savard. Goodrow, Coleman. Kempny. The Blues made no deadline deals when they won.

All the big names that get moved at the deadline never work out. You can use the Rangers as the only examples for a long history of it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Larry's problem is he thinks that teams still employ a checking line like its 1995 and most of what he wants to add in terms of sandpaper comes in the forms of players who are bad. Tampa and Vegas had "checking lines" with the likes of Coleman, Gourde, Karlsson and Smith... those are players who can and in some cases do play in a top 6. If you employ guys in roles that they're overqualified for then no shit they're going to be effective (see: Jimmy Vesey.)

Luke Kunin was on his wish list. Kunin is one of the worst regulars in the league.He wrote a fluff piece about Goodrow a few weeks ago. Goodrow is also one of the worst regulars in the league.

These guys don't help win games. Adding sandpaper in the form of guys who can play would be great. I don't think there are any available on the rental market or in the form of guys who have term, at least not publicly.

 

[NYR Viper]

When Pittsburgh blows it up and tries to just offload cap for this off-season, I'm here for Lars Eller. 1 more year on his deal @ $2.45m, low key is a PIA to play against, good size and skating, 53.9% faceoff percentage and has 17 points in 50 games. You want a guy who can slot in between Cuylle and Kakko? That's the guy and I would imagine his cost will be minimal as the list of teams who can fit $2.45m is small, and the list of those same teams who want him for next year at that same cap hit will be even smaller.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Frank doesn't have many Rangers sources. It's usually stuff which makes no sense. The Rangers would sign Kadri in the summer of 2022 when the Rangers didn’t have that type of cap space or the Rangers would trade for Kane and sign him to an extension. A pre-hip resurfacing surgery Kane. The extension wouldn’t have been a one year deal or a cheap deal. The Rangers don't have that type of money.

Frank's salary cap stuff is a joke. He always predicts a higher cap when the NHL already made a deal with the NHLPA for cap increases after the players paid off their Covid debt.

According to Frank, the Ducks want three picks to retain money on Henrique. 2nd and two 3rd's to retain 50%. He said "reportedly".

Is the trade a 2nd and two third round picks for Henrique at 50%?

The Rangers have one second in 24 and one third left in 26 in the the next three years. The other 2nd's and 3rd's are already gone.

His theory is the Rangers trade Kakko's $2.1M so the Ducks don't need to retain on Henrique.

Retaining up to the max, should not be any sort of roadblock. I'm 100% certain the Ducks would gladly retain to get the optimal return.

Vatrano obviously we should command a bit more of a premium to retain on, because he still has another year remaining. Henrique as an expiring contract, it's really not an issue.

 

[Raspewtin]

Larry's problem is he thinks that teams still employ a checking line like its 1995 and most of what he wants to add in terms of sandpaper comes in the forms of players who are bad. Tampa and Vegas had "checking lines" with the likes of Coleman, Gourde, Karlsson and Smith... those are players who can and in some cases do play in a top 6. If you employ guys in roles that they're overqualified for then no shit they're going to be effective (see: Jimmy Vesey.)

Luke Kunin was on his wish list. Kunin is one of the worst regulars in the league.He wrote a fluff piece about Goodrow a few weeks ago. Goodrow is also one of the worst regulars in the league.

These guys don't help win games. Adding sandpaper in the form of guys who can play would be great. I don't think there are any available on the rental market or in the form of guys who have term, at least not publicly.

darn you basically invalidated every podcast Larry has on the Rangers with this one neat trick!

Brooks wants a checking line which is hard to play against. The Rangers are too soft. The Rangers play with no emotion. He isn’t wrong.

The Rangers not playing with emotion is irrelevant. Their top players being very iffy at ES, however, is relevant.

We just put together a PITA of a checking line in Cuylle-Brod-Kakko. Do I think it's a great line? Not really. But they certainly fit the mold of what Larry is talking about. Maybe if Brod and Kakko threw more crosschecks after the whistle he'd come around.

 

[RGY]

Brooks wants a checking line which is hard to play against. The Rangers are too soft. The Rangers play with no emotion. He isn’t wrong.

I think the too soft and no emotion comments are exaggerated, especially them not playing with emotion. There are plenty of guys who play with emotion in that lineup. They play physical. Could they use more of it? Certainly they can, every team can.

With regard to the checking line, they have just about 2/3 of those pieces in Cuylle and Kakko. I say “just about” because there is still room for Cuylle’s defensive game to improve. They need a better Center and then all the sudden you have a pretty formidable checking line. But they are not far off.

And you hope they can address those areas at the deadline, just like every other contending team has holes they would like to address at the deadline because it is impossible to construct a bullet proof team with the salary cap.

 

[kovazub94]

Kakko and 2nd for Henrique proposal is as bad as it gets on so many levels.

 

[McRanger92]

Kakko and 2nd for Henrique proposal is as bad as it gets on so many levels.

Seravelli covers hockey like he doesnt watch the sport at all. Wants to be Windhosrt or Woj.

 

[NYR Viper]

Kakko and 2nd for Henrique proposal is as bad as it gets on so many levels.

Lars Eller is scoring at 1.4p/60 @ 5v5 this year
Adam Henrique is scoring at 1.8 p/60 5v5 this year

Henrique is rumored to cost a 1st with retention
Eller probably costs a mid-round pick

Henrique has played some wing this year, and there are concerns about his footspeed
Eller has played almost exclusively center and skating has been a strength of his for his entire career

Henrique is a UFA at years end so he's a pure rental
Eller has 1 more year at a reasonable $2.425m cap hit

I know where I'm going if Pittsburgh would trade him.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Dowd>Eller and Henrique.

Annoying that he is in the division. It hasn't kept teams from trading with each other but annoying none the less.

 

[McRanger92]

Panarin-Trocheck-Laf
Kreider-Meeka-Reilly Smith
Cuylle-Brodz-Kakko
Vesey-Eller-Edstrom

Goodrow and Wheeler should be scratches. They will undoubtedly get into games around playoff time.

 

[NYR Viper]

Arizona is falling in the standings. Now they are 7th in the wild card race in the West, 8 points out of a playoff spot. Barrett Hayton is back playing. What's their plan with Hayton? He was rumored to be available last off-season. 23 years old, RFA this off-season coming off a $1.775m cap hit deal. He scored 43 points last year in 82 games with 10 of those being on the PP. They have Cooley and McBain on the team already along with Kerfoot and Schmaltz who can also play center.

Would Arizona trade Hayton at this deadline? His contract discussion will be an interesting one based on his point totals last year but he played 17:30 a game and only put up 43 points. I wouldn't say that's lighting the world on fire.

He is good on faceoffs and is young enough to grow with the team. Could he be a viable solution to 3C?

 

[leetch99]

Maybe the problem is Mika and Kreider together. Nobody on this roster seems to fit with them, banking on someone else coming in and fitting is almost fools gold.

The solution there is just bump Cuylle up and Kreider down . Cuylle instantly changes the complexion of that line . Kreider -Brodz- and Kakko should be OK . They could also bump Wheeler down and move KK up. They have options unless they are scared of the ego thingy .

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Brooks wants a checking line which is hard to play against. The Rangers are too soft. The Rangers play with no emotion. He isn’t wrong.

I would love to get Boone Jenner to play with Cuylle and Kakko. There’s your pain in the ass checking line. Jenner has term too. Maybe even Ryan Hartman if Minnesota decides to sell.

 

[NYR Viper]

Panarin-Trocheck-Laf
Kreider-Meeka-Reilly Smith
Cuylle-Brodz-Kakko
Vesey-Eller-Edstrom

Goodrow and Wheeler should be scratches. They will undoubtedly get into games around playoff time.

Part of the draw to someone like Eller is that he could easily slide in to that 4C spot to start next season when Goodrow is traded or bought out and supply a viable depth center option should an injury occur.

 

[SA16]

When Pittsburgh blows it up and tries to just offload cap for this off-season, I'm here for Lars Eller. 1 more year on his deal @ $2.45m, low key is a PIA to play against, good size and skating, 53.9% faceoff percentage and has 17 points in 50 games. You want a guy who can slot in between Cuylle and Kakko? That's the guy and I would imagine his cost will be minimal as the list of teams who can fit $2.45m is small, and the list of those same teams who want him for next year at that same cap hit will be even smaller.

I'm not sure his cost will be that minimal. He was traded for a (2025) 2nd round pick last year with a larger salary but 30% retained. You have to discount the future year and consider the salary retained but but he also had a year less control. The Rangers also don't have a 3rd round pick to trade.

 

[McRanger92]

Arizona is falling in the standings. Now they are 7th in the wild card race in the West, 8 points out of a playoff spot. Barrett Hayton is back playing. What's their plan with Hayton? He was rumored to be available last off-season. 23 years old, RFA this off-season coming off a $1.775m cap hit deal. He scored 43 points last year in 82 games with 10 of those being on the PP. They have Cooley and McBain on the team already along with Kerfoot and Schmaltz who can also play center.

Would Arizona trade Hayton at this deadline? His contract discussion will be an interesting one based on his point totals last year but he played 17:30 a game and only put up 43 points. I wouldn't say that's lighting the world on fire.

He is good on faceoffs and is young enough to grow with the team. Could he be a viable solution to 3C?

Hayton with those numbers will cost Kakko I'm sure

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Didn’t the cap already flatline before goodrow was signed? It was poor cap management by Drury because it was signed post covid cba. You certainly make that case for the trouba since that is was pre-Covid. All of drury first ufa contracts were all too much for too long.

Yeah, the Goodrow contract and Buch trade are definitely a black eye on Drury's tenure. The Panarin, Trouba, and Kreider contracts were all signed either the summer before Covid, or in Kreider's case, weeks before the Covid Shutdown. Terrible timing. Everyone knew those contracts, especially Trouba's, were an overpayment the moment they were signed. But it's common to overpay UFAs knowing the cap is going to continue to rise, and the second half of the deal won't look that bad. But then, something unprecedented happens and stagnates the cap. You can make an argument that Panarin has earned his deal, but we probably save at least $1M on his deal if it's signed the summer after Covid as opposed to the summer before.

 

[Vitto79]

Rangers should talk to Arizona and ask about C Jack McBain. Has playoff style elements to his game, physical and good at faceoffs.

Definitely a good target but AZ has a ton like Crouse and Schmalz

I don’t think they want picks though they have a ton and 3 NYR ones lol

They likely would want Kakko and Jones for example

Brooks wants a checking line which is hard to play against. The Rangers are too soft. The Rangers play with no emotion. He isn’t wrong.

So Trouba , Lindgren and Schneider are not rugged Dmen ? Just add another big body like Edmundson and sit Gus

Upfront sure add one more Cuylee type

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Adding a bottom 6 player who is a solid forechecker with some speed and can mix it up while chipping in a few points is the type of move this team needs to make. They have prospects who play that style, but they don’t appear to be ready. Or a depth D. Someone who can play steady on the bottom pair with some size in case of an injury. That’s all they really need to do.

If you look at the teams who have won the cup and acquired rentals, they have been these type of players.

Barbashev. Lehkonen. Savard. Goodrow, Coleman. Kempny. The Blues made no deadline deals when they won.

All the big names that get moved at the deadline never work out. You can use the Rangers as the only examples for a long history of it.

Really tried to slip him in there

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Quick trade Lindgren for Johnson

 

[Machinehead]

I would love to get Boone Jenner to play with Cuylle and Kakko. There’s your pain in the ass checking line. Jenner has term too. Maybe even Ryan Hartman if Minnesota decides to sell.

I'm not sure Jenner fits with them. Jenner is a solid player but he has the Ryan Callahan bug. He runs around making sure he makes contact even when it's not the right play. That's not necessarily a fit with the more understated cycle games of Cuylle and Kakko.

 

[Machinehead]

Cuylle is going to be a player. I do wish, at some point, we would stop binning our lineup with all the scorers together and all the grinders together. Cuylle has the perfect makeup to be a good role player on a scoring line. Same for Vesey who just rots playing mostly with idiots.

Maybe you don't have to do it now because the lines are kind of there and they're fine I guess, but it's a habit we need to break in the long-term.

 

[McRanger92]

Davidson taking over for Jarmo makes me think some of those CBJ veterans will actually be available. Jenner, Kuraly, Marchenko all guys I like. No interest in another man's trash like Roslovic and Texier