Roster Building thread - Part IX - (2024 edition)

[IchabodCrane]

Welcome to this edition of myth busters!

Rangers are one of the top teams in rush offense in the league (7th). Even their lone goal tonight with a goalie was created off the rush (and a rebound! where contrary to popular belief they sit 7th in the league in goals off of rebounds.)

Goals creates off of the cycle? They're 17th which is basically in the middle and honestly better than i thought they were. They certainly trend pond hockey. it would benefit them to find guys who can dig, retrieve and create off the walls to balance out the attack a bit. It's okay to lean rush, but you've got to be able to create off of the cycle too because it's not hard to take the rush away from this team. Teams that can dig typically do better in the playoffs and the only real rush team to win recently was Colorado.

Other popular myths!

They suck at d zone coverage, no they're actually really good there. They're damn near at the bottom of the league in defending the rush though and THAT is a problem and it's a layered one.

They're allergic to contact - they're 7th in the league in hits.

They're the slowest team in the league - They're actually above average, especially at forward.

Almost sounds like you are saying we need grittier tougher more heart guys

 

[Vitto79]

So is this team good again and it’s ok to add

I didn’t notice Edstrom much but maybe that’s a good thing.

 

[NYR Viper]

They're asking for a 1st. I wouldn't pay it but I dont think its an unreasonable ask.

I'd flip them a 2nd and Jones.


I still think defense should be their focus.

Nic Dowd is a 33 year old with a career high of 25 points (yes it was in 65 games but that's another subject). I am not paying a 1st, or a 2nd and a prospect for a guy who doesn't put up points in decent ice time.

I agree he would be a useful addition but I'm not paying prime assets, especially when those assets are somewhat scarce.

 

[surlysailor]

Nic Dowd is a 33 year old with a career high of 25 points (yes it was in 65 games but that's another subject). I am not paying a 1st, or a 2nd and a prospect for a guy who doesn't put up points in decent ice time.

I agree he would be a useful addition but I'm not paying prime assets, especially when those assets are somewhat scarce.

Nic Dowd is so overrated here. Is he a good player? Yes, but he just reminds me of Goodrow. Some team will overpay for him and he'll come back to earth. I'd much rather go after Novak over Dowd. If Frost is still available give me him. The 3rd line doesn't need another defensively strong guy, KK & Cuylle have been great on the d-side. Pucks are starting to go in for them but if you can get Chytil type replacement, w/skill & 2-way ability that line can pop. I'm certainly not paying a 1st or 2nd & prospect like Jones for a 4th line C. I'd rather see what you have in terms of Edstrom before blowing your wad on a guy who has never played a full 82 games and is hot at the moment and most likely will see ice time diminished here as will his scoring.

 

[NYR Viper]

The more I see this team. the more I think just a few depth pieces and we are good. Depth center. Depth wing (if Edstrom/Rempe/Othmann/Berard are deemed not ready), depth defenseman. And I'm not paying 1st's or 2nd's for any of them.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'm more interested in a young center, average players above 32 usually have lost a step. I'm not convinced Brodz is enough on that line but at the same time if we can get a good fit on the 1st line rw and thats our deadline im cool with that.
Id also entertain signing Kessel and calling it a deadline. I think he could compliment the zib line well imo if he's able to jump into the lineup on the fly. We get a winger, we dont purge assets.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The more I see this team. the more I think just a few depth pieces and we are good. Depth center. Depth wing (if Edstrom/Rempe/Othmann/Berard are deemed not ready), depth defenseman. And I'm not paying 1st's or 2nd's for any of them.

I'm happy the team is giving some of the Pack chances to show their worth, maybe we dont need to do anything at the deadline if we find a guy or two that fits from the minors. I really wanna see Robertson get 2 or 3 games in a row.

 

[kovazub94]

I'm more interested in a young center, average players above 32 usually have lost a step. I'm not convinced Brodz is enough on that line but at the same time if we can get a good fit on the 1st line rw and thats our deadline im cool with that.
Id also entertain signing Kessel and calling it a deadline. I think he could compliment the zib line well imo if he's able to jump into the lineup on the fly. We get a winger, we dont purge assets.

At this point Rangers probably have an advantage of giving Kessel a bit more $$ than the competition. Not sure if this plus a clear chance to get a shot at top-6 spot is enough to entice him to come to New York. Is there a Drury or Laviolette connection there?

 

[SA16]

At this point Rangers probably have an advantage of giving Kessel a bit more $$ than the competition. Not sure if this plus a clear chance to get a shot at top-6 spot is enough to entice him to come to New York. Is there a Drury or Laviolette connection there?

He was coached by Laviolette in the 2011 All Star Game

 

[GAGLine]

How about we don't add overrated one dimensional players?

I'd rather add Mittelstadt than Zegras and I dont even like the former that much.

Should the New York Rangers be trying to land Casey Mittelstadt from the Buffalo Sabres?

The New York Rangers are desperate for center help, and I think it's fair to say that the rest of the league knows it. With Filip Chytil done for the season, th

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Mittelstadt is someone the Sabres are listening to offers on because they are not so convinced that he's worth the long-term large paycheck his 12 goals and 30 assists for 42 points in 51 games will get him.

It'll take a ransom to get him. Imagine something along the lines of the 2024 first-round pick, Gabriel Perreault, and another prospect

Suggesting that Buffalo is unsure of Mittelstadt and then suggesting he would cost Gabe, our 1st, plus another prospect, is just insanity.

If the actual cost is anywhere close to that, I'd rather vomit coat hangers than make that deal.

 

[eco's bones]

A major point of bringing up Edstrom (and maybe even Rempe) is to see if these guys can be depth for us later on in the season or maybe into the playoffs. It might save us from trading for a Tyler Motte. Now I thought Motte was useful particularly the first time but trading away draft picks for rentals and not getting the desired outcome is worthwhile to think about. Personally from watching Adam in just two games I'm intrigued enough and think he could handle a playoff atmosphere. He's been a pro for 5 years and has a good grasp on how to play the game away from the puck and how to fit a role and it's not like Pitlick the guy he's most likely to replace is a terrible 4th line guy. Having depth is important.

As for moving the 1st we've done this before and it's never really worked. The Rangers did not move their 1st the year they won the Cup. They drafted Dan Cloutier. I'm pretty much against the idea now particularly for a rental and particularly for an aging superstar who isn't an RW. To me RW is the big hole. Wheeler has good games now and again but lots of times he handles the puck like it's a hand grenade. Kakko seems to be building chemistry with 3rd liners again which is good because we need at least a decent 3rd line but still short of hoped for expectations.

So if I were targeting players for the playoffs it would be an RW and a large size physical D to use as a 6 or 7 and that's about it and I absolutely wouldn't be moving the 1st for a rental. I'd also really consider keeping Edstrom with the team.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

So is this team good again and it’s ok to add

I didn’t notice Edstrom much but maybe that’s a good thing.

im sorry you didn’t notice edstrom much? He was first into the scrums, his reach deflected passes on the defensive end most of the night, he went to the front of the net and played a hard hitting physical game. He was def noticeable out there. The fourth line overall played a good game. It’s still goodie bringing the line down.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Almost sounds like you are saying we need grittier tougher more heart guys

if they can do the things above? yeah sure.

Problem is normally they can't.

You know who can do those things and would have fit in well? Chytil. Hardly a gritty heart and soul guy.

Everyone thinks Kreider is soft. Get him away from Zibanejad and he's as good along the walls and getting to loose pucks as anyone.

Should the New York Rangers be trying to land Casey Mittelstadt from the Buffalo Sabres?

The New York Rangers are desperate for center help, and I think it's fair to say that the rest of the league knows it. With Filip Chytil done for the season, th

bluelinestation.com

Suggesting that Buffalo is unsure of Mittelstadt and then suggesting he would cost Gabe, our 1st, plus another prospect, is just insanity.

If the actual cost is anywhere close to that, I'd rather vomit coat hangers than make that deal.

I'm not really enamored with him to begin with and I'd bet drury isn't either.

This speculative price is absurd though. Like you said you don't go from "they don't trust him enough to pay him" to "It's going to cost a 1st, A+ prospect and another piece."

 

[SA16]

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Lavy must not have liked what he saw during practice...

 

[NYR Viper]

A major point of bringing up Edstrom (and maybe even Rempe) is to see if these guys can be depth for us later on in the season or maybe into the playoffs. It might save us from trading for a Tyler Motte. Now I thought Motte was useful particularly the first time but trading away draft picks for rentals and not getting the desired outcome is worthwhile to think about. Personally from watching Adam in just two games I'm intrigued enough and think he could handle a playoff atmosphere. He's been a pro for 5 years and has a good grasp on how to play the game away from the puck and how to fit a role and it's not like Pitlick the guy he's most likely to replace is a terrible 4th line guy. Having depth is important.

As for moving the 1st we've done this before and it's never really worked. The Rangers did not move their 1st the year they won the Cup. They drafted Dan Cloutier. I'm pretty much against the idea now particularly for a rental and particularly for an aging superstar who isn't an RW. To me RW is the big hole. Wheeler has good games now and again but lots of times he handles the puck like it's a hand grenade. Kakko seems to be building chemistry with 3rd liners again which is good because we need at least a decent 3rd line but still short of hoped for expectations.

So if I were targeting players for the playoffs it would be an RW and a large size physical D to use as a 6 or 7 and that's about it and I absolutely wouldn't be moving the 1st for a rental. I'd also really consider keeping Edstrom with the team.

The team can find a RW who won't cost much. Go get someone like that. Someone who can play a more tenacious style but perhaps doesn't put up a ton of points. That RWer isn't going to have the puck a lot on that line. It's just how it goes.

 

[surlysailor]

According to Dom at the Athletic, Edmonton are listening in on Foegle. I would def look into him if I'm NYR. Tho some places list him as C and others as W. Does he actually play C at all? I could see him being this years Vatrano. Not necessarily the point production, but NYR might be able to get him for a bargain if EDM is trying to clear space for a bigger deal(similar to Fl did for Giroux, I believe)

 

[NYR Viper]

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Lavy must not have liked what he saw during practice...

I think this was just a way for the coaches to see him and to reward his hard work and improved play in Hartford. The organization clearly likes him.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think this was just a way for the coaches to see him and to reward his hard work and improved play in Hartford. The organization clearly likes him.

Or someone lower in the lineup was questionable.

Edstrom is getting a look though and that is a good thing.

According to Dom at the Athletic, Edmonton are listening in on Foegle. I would def look into him if I'm NYR. Tho some places list him as C and others as W. Does he actually play C at all? I could see him being this years Vatrano. Not necessarily the point production, but NYR might be able to get him for a bargain if EDM is trying to clear space for a bigger deal(similar to Fl did for Giroux, I believe)

They would be f***ing mental to move him. He's been really good this year.

 

[bl02]

According to Dom at the Athletic, Edmonton are listening in on Foegle. I would def look into him if I'm NYR. Tho some places list him as C and others as W. Does he actually play C at all? I could see him being this years Vatrano. Not necessarily the point production, but NYR might be able to get him for a bargain if EDM is trying to clear space for a bigger deal(similar to Fl did for Giroux, I believe)

hmmm interesting. Guy definitely has speed. Has put up points but not sure who that has been with. I am assuming he doesn't play with McDavid much?
Isn't he a left wing?

 

[NYR Viper]

Or someone lower in the lineup was questionable.

Edstrom is getting a look though and that is a good thing.



They would be f***ing mental to move him. He's been really good this year.

I don't see why they would trade Foegele

 

[surlysailor]

I don't see why they would trade Foegele

Neither do I but this is from the article:
"It’s a bit surprising to see Warren Foegele on the block given how effective he’s been for the Oilers this season. He’s stepped up into the top six and delivered, scoring 2.49 points per 60 while helping to drive play at an elite rate. Sure, playing with Leon Draisaitl plays a huge role there, but Foegele is no passenger.

He showed that last season with strong on-ice numbers on Edmonton’s checking line and is showing it this year with how efficient he’s been in transition. Foegele’s profile looks fairly well-rounded with above-average numbers across the board. He can retrieve pucks at both ends of the ice, he can move it up ice with control, and he can create chances in the offensive zone. He’s graded as an average forward and would be the perfect fit for a lot of middle sixes. He does the hard work so stars don’t have to. A poor man’s Zach Hyman."

 

[Shesterkybomb]

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Lavy must not have liked what he saw during practice...

Someone wasnt 100 % apparently from what i heard and they had him up in case they couldnt play

According to Dom at the Athletic, Edmonton are listening in on Foegle. I would def look into him if I'm NYR. Tho some places list him as C and others as W. Does he actually play C at all? I could see him being this years Vatrano. Not necessarily the point production, but NYR might be able to get him for a bargain if EDM is trying to clear space for a bigger deal(similar to Fl did for Giroux, I believe)

He's more of a Bunting than a vatrano imo. I'm ok with getting him but whats the cost?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Neither do I but this is from the article:
"It’s a bit surprising to see Warren Foegele on the block given how effective he’s been for the Oilers this season. He’s stepped up into the top six and delivered, scoring 2.49 points per 60 while helping to drive play at an elite rate. Sure, playing with Leon Draisaitl plays a huge role there, but Foegele is no passenger.

He showed that last season with strong on-ice numbers on Edmonton’s checking line and is showing it this year with how efficient he’s been in transition. Foegele’s profile looks fairly well-rounded with above-average numbers across the board. He can retrieve pucks at both ends of the ice, he can move it up ice with control, and he can create chances in the offensive zone. He’s graded as an average forward and would be the perfect fit for a lot of middle sixes. He does the hard work so stars don’t have to. A poor man’s Zach Hyman."

Yeah I would be on this.

 

[Vitto79]

I’m sure Belzile is up next for fun
They’ve called up like 5 different AHL bodies already

 

[surlysailor]

He's more of a Bunting than a vatrano imo. I'm ok with getting him but whats the cost?

Oh yeah, I didn't mean like Vatrano stylistically just that if they're trying to clear space he might not be too expensive. They also listed Broberg as well. I wonder if they could package them together for something like a conditional 2nd(becomes a 2nd if they win the first round) and Jones/Robertson for Foegle & Broberg. No idea what Foegle's value is, cause if they liked him why would he be on the block?